Dantian Disappeared?

[Seeker1]

Hello Everyone

I have always wanted to join this community but never got around to it until now. I’m very excited to be a part of this with everyone here and share whatever I can to help anyone I can.

I am posting here today in a time of somewhat desperation. Please excuse my long post, I wish to give as much information necessary in order to help you guys see the bigger picture of my case. Hopefully you will actually enjoy reading my story in the process.

 

I hope to receive advice on an issue I have been dealing with for about 5 months now which has been a major hindrance in my life and practice. I have been trying to fix this issue by myself ever since it has occurred with no avail. Although I have learnt a lot, everything except the solution has been found. I’ve been everywhere with this from western to eastern doctors but none of them had wisdom nor experience in Taoist energetics, Thus I come to you guys in hope of some clarity.

 

My case seems to be quite serious but I rather see what it actually is in full rather than shooting in the dark hoping for the best in an endless loop of frustration. Whatever the solution is, with my heart and soul, I will fix it once I find it no matter what. I have too much pending on this and I’m sick of putting my life on hold. So I am seeking help from anyone here that can help me and hopefully in return you will find my story gives you some valuable insight in your own journey.

 

I find it would be best to start from the very beginning.  Without going too far in detail in this particular phase of my life, it all started when I stumbled across astral exploration. I would love to share this part in full but I find it wouldn’t help in this post. In addition, this to some, might seem a bit weird. But I think the more I can share the better.

 

I had started meditating at the age of 15 – 16 and had quickly escalated to lucid dreaming and finally astral projection. As a curious, vibrant and immature teenager that I once was, it wasn’t long before my lack of wisdom, knowledge and awareness got the better of me. I had come across an entity that I started to have sexual interactions with. Long story short without knowing it, I was being drained of my life force through an unnatural amount of ejaculations during the night and the day through this almost demonic influence of this entity, both directly and indirectly. At an average I would ejaculate 3 – 5 times during the day and more in the night for the next couple of years. In this time I had no knowledge about the disastrous effects this would have on me in the times that followed.

 

I had always been a very happy loving person full of energy and creativity. But as a result of these events I quickly saw myself age at an alarming rate, witnessing the worst of life take over my whole being. I quickly sunk to what people would define as an old man in his last days.  I was weak with very minimal energy; my function of my body was reduced to mere survival instincts in which no higher functions of my being were in sight. No more happiness, vitality, youth, creativity, drive, clarity and eventually the ability to meditate. I went from a young man to a clumsy awkward doped out zombie. It was worse than a nightmare, because in a nightmare, at least you’re alive. I was living in the manifestation of nothingness itself via the lack of my biological functions. In this time there was no logical explanation that I could conceive and everyone around me could not see outside of the paradigm that outlines; if you are young, you should have energy. So I was stuck, forced to embark on a journey to the solution even though I was literally chained down by death itself.

 

I went from simple multivitamins, to special meditations, affirmations and self-hypnosis all the way to chakras, crystals, reiki, the occult, everything in between and just about everything under the sun. So now at this point I truly did felt like a wise old man in a teenager’s body because I was forced to learn so much in my pursuit to be alive again.

 

Finally I had started to look in the right direction. I had stumbled across Chinese medicine and the Taoist concept of Jing chi and shen. This was the first ray of light in the course of two years. Naturally I gave up any form of intentional ejaculations before this as I intuitively felt it had a major role in my deflation. I had started taking Jing building herbs in response to realizing that this was the substance that was drained out of me. This started to help the most out of all my ventures. I started feeling the painful contrast of moving up the ladder of life seeing how much I had lost. But at least I was climbing up, finally, getting better.

 

I thought that was it. I would just keep taking these herbs and thus gradually re-cultivate my lost Jing life force. This was working well until I hit a wall. I started to have wet dreams due to the energy building up without a strong system to contain it. The cycle simply went as followed; I’ll take the herbs for about two to three weeks, and then have an experience of “coming back”, then have a wet dream that exact night, starting the cycle again. My system was too weak to contain that sort of energy.

 

Anyway frustration continues for another year or so, still learning and expanding with no one but me understanding what’s wrong with me. I have been stuck in this void for about six years at this point, but finally I discovered Taoist practices taught by Mantak Chia. I saw some videos on YouTube clarifying many blackspots of my method of curing my dilemma. Within a short time, me now 21, I fly to Thailand from Melbourne Australia to learn from the teachers and the master himself in search of my salvation. I had spent nearly everything I had.

 

I arrive at the Tao Gardens in Chang Mai. A very beautiful place, I might add. I went through a detox program which was great and signed up to the Men’s health retreat program which taught Taoist sexual cultivation methods to reinvigorate your health. Aside from the awkwardness of being in a room where everyone around me was 35 years and up I learned what I needed to set myself free from this curse.

 

I learned how to activate my Microcosmic Orbit which in itself was a healing process. Every night I would go back to my room and like a maniac, practice all the Tai Chi and energy work I had learned throughout the day before finally doing the Microcosmic orbit meditation. Once my orbit was fully activated I had felt great but I knew this was nowhere near what “life” felt like. So with my Orbit ready, I did my first sexual transmutation. Let me just say it was magical! I was lying down and I began to arouse myself to heat up my sexual energy to make it “malleable” or yang, then I transported it up my spine and down the functional channel into my lower Dantian.

 

The moment it entered my Dantian, I cried. I felt a tangible step up in my life force accompanied by a literal dimensional shift in my state of health! My nose started to smell again, my eyes saw colour again, I felt like I was actually in this world again I felt real again! I tasted life with indescribable appreciation for it and in this blissful moment of relief and self-love I finally proved I wasn’t some crazy nut case that was just making sh*t up!

 

This amazing shift was the greatest gift I had ever received. It was life itself. Everything around me wasn’t just information I was getting from my senses, I was actually here! The subtleties of life became great characters of my experience.  Returning home and seeing my family was a whole emotional trip within itself it was like I hadn’t seen them for the last 6 years. I could write a whole book on this exhilarating experience of returning to life from what I call biological abyss but I have to finish this post.

 

So a month and so goes by of me doing the practice of building Jing and transmuting the energy from my balls to my Dantian via the orbit with great success. I was rebuilding this youthful pressure in my gut that I once had in my teenage days. In this moment my life had finally come to light and I can finally live and commit to making decisions and developing solid relationships like the man I’m supposed to be.

 

Or so I thought..

 

It was on a night around 5 months ago, I commenced my usual routine of sexual transmutation before bed. Only this time I screwed up. There is a balance of arousal and transmutation that you have to play when doing this. In this session I tipped too far on the sexual side and had ejaculated. In the time it happened I thought it was fine as I already gathered a lot of energy into my Dantian.

 

Everything was fine the next day and I felt normal. Until mid-afternoon when all of a sudden this huge wave of gas spawns from my Dantian area, filling my gut up to the brim. Me, not knowing what had just happened happily let all of this gas out with a huge pure airy, silent, non-smelly fart. To my absolute horror I felt myself fall back into the abyss that had plagued more than a quarter of my life. My Dantian felt like it scattered and broke up.

 

My whole being felt deflated and loose, especially my anus, my energy had dropped; face structure had shrivelled into pale lacklustre. In short I was back. The contrast was a nightmare. So in an attempt to fix this, I try to transmute, to fill me up again. This does not work. My Dantian seems to be absent. As soon as the sexual energy reaches the Dantian centre (navel), I get immediate gas and eventually fart it out leaving me feeling worse than before the transmutation as a feel like I have just ejaculated. I know it sounds weird but I’m sure someone reading this knows what this is and the way to fix this.

 

I remember distinctively before this event (after doing all the practices and Orbit activation exercises at the Tao Gardens), my navel centre was beating harder than my heartbeat and I always felt really excited and good in my gut (I would say the definition of drive). Now I don’t feel that at all and in fact even just some awareness focused on my Dantian can trigger gas to spawn.

Here are my symptoms:

 

Ø  Constant gas that has no odour when I fart it out. The gas spawns at the lower left side of my intestines. I always wake up with a gut full of this gas.

 

Ø  I feel loose and deflated. (Especially my anus).

 

Ø  Very grumpy and lacklustre.

 

Ø  No libido whatsoever. Even my member has shrivelled in size!

 

Ø  There is a slight pain around the same area of the intestines and on the left of my navel.

 

Ø  Generally weak with no ability to deal with it other than taking my Jing herbs which help alleviate the symptoms until the herb wears out. In saying this the herbs don’t contribute to building Jing anymore they just seem to give me slight qi energy that doesn’t stack long term like it used to.

 

And yes I have seen professionals for this I have seen an acupuncturist who specialises in abdominal massage. He only helped a bit after a couple of sessions. I’ve seen an Ayurvedic doctor which gave me a “navel displacement” diagnosis and tried to treat me with a special massage. And I have seen multiple western doctors who have made me do a stool test (came out good), and now want me to do a CAT scan and an appointment with a gyroscopic specialist to see if it’s IBS.

 

In my heart I know it’s something that I can go in endless circles with these limited modalities. Believe me I am sick of circles. Thus I have come here to seek some guidance and advice in the right field.

 

Another thing I will mention is there has been three occasions where my Dantian centre has been re-established throughout the last couple of months.

 

On one occasion I had woke up feeling like I had to poo only to witness strange movements in my gut kind piecing together towards the centre until *click* I felt my Dantian again soon followed by a rush of life, no gas and an episode of insomnia . This soon faded the next day.

 

Another time was when I was manually trying to shift everything back to the centre by myself via an abdominal massage. The click happened after pushing my gut from the left to the centre. Same thing happened, it clicked, I felt alive again, no gas, insomnia and then next day same old.

 

Third and last time it clicked back was when I was lying on my back and sucked in my stomach towards my spine, something moves from the left to the centre and click. Of course same thing happens afterwards.

 

To me it just seems to me that there is something physical and energetic within that needs to be re-established back into place and healed. 

 

So as of recently I have re-begun my regime that I had adapted at the Tao gardens that were called preliminary exercises such as Tao Yin Yoga, Six healing sounds, Inner smile and horse stance from iron shirt. These seem to be helping, especially the core abdominal workout side of Tao yin, although the gas is still there but my being is not as loose. The gas just takes longer to exit. So Again it seems like the processor (Dantain navel centre) has been damaged or scattered or something. To me, the gas seems to be raw unprocessed qi energy and the Dantian centre is the processor/storage/distributer. Without the Dantian functioning I can’t process the energy that I gather regardless if it’s from exotic form of cultivation. Any form of energy input I get turns into gas so I am stuck at a plateau in this void.

 

Also I should say my dreams feel realer than waking life as my Dantian seems to work fine when I am unconscious. I get really deep vivid dreams that are deeply connected to my true self that dwarfs how I feel during the day. But as soon as I wake up and my consciousness has some form of awareness on my Dantian, gas, fart, deflate, abyss.

 

I think that’s all the details I can think of. I truly hope my story has given you something of value. Again I know this is a long post, but as you could probably tell this is literally my everything and staying in life CONSISTENTLY to be truly here for my family and future, I will do anything for this. That is what this is all about.  So I humbly ask anyone who has an idea of what this is and what can be done to fix this, you would have no idea how much I would appreciate this and what’s behind me coming back to life. I’m not striving for immortality or superhuman powers, this has always been about just being me. From negative to positive. Back to normal.

 

Thank you my friends I look forward to connecting with you. Hopefully we can solve this together.

 

God bless.

 

 

 

 

[mindtooloud]

seeker,

 

i very much enjoyed reading your journey, unfortunately i have nothing to offer that may be of help to you, how ever i do hae a few questions if you don't mind answering them,

 

when you say you ejaculated multiple times a day and night from eganging in sexual activity with a being? was it physical ejaculation where seed is released or is it just energetic ejaculation?

 

my second question is how would you advise someone who is going through the path that you went through, eg unlocking our potention of doing things beyond this reality, (astral projection etc) to avoid the negative thing you went through, eg the being?

[effilang]

...my Dantian seems to work fine when I am unconscious...

...But as soon as I wake up and my consciousness has some form of awareness on my Dantian...

 

I've highlighted what I think are the most important points for you to investigate.

My condolences for the suffering you have had to endure. This too shall pass.

 

As for Mantak Chia's practices... Let's just say I intimately know some of the pain you're experiencing.

Edited November 27, 2016 by effilang

[Jeff]

Hi Seeker1,

 

Thanks for sharing your powerful story. Is it ok if I sort of remotely energetically scan you? See if I can find anything or make any suggestions?

 

Best,

Jeff

[RiverSnake]

May be useful. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Exorcists-Handbook-Josephine-McCarthy-ebook/dp/B004Q7CN08/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1480269168&sr=1-1&keywords=exorcism+josephine+mccarthy

[Miffymog]

I used to try out short term semen retention in my 20's and I'd go through a regular cycle of feeling amazing like I was on drugs, then having the worst comedown in the world. After 3 months of this I decided to get off the roller coaster ride and not bother.

 

Now I'm approaching 40, short term semen retention is really quite easy and has nothing but a mild effect on my life. This is simply due to the lower levels of testosterone in my system which makes the whole thing far more manageable and is also eased by having a simple spiritual practice.

 

So, if you're in your 20's it's best to just avoid what you've been doing and let your body reset.

 

As far as the other symptoms - I recommend going to the gym and getting yourself fit, it will resolve most of your issues. It's something I never did and I kind of regret it now as it does get more difficult as time goes on.

[Seeker1]

mindtooloud - I'm very glad you did. Sure thing, I had ejaculated my seed during the times of interaction (in my bed while my astral was exploring), although it was a combination of physical and energetic. The interactions would happen in the astral but When I would have a climax It was much more powerful than a regular ejaculation. The orgasms were raw and magnified energetically. The more energy i dispersed, the more the entity would take. It was a succubus and there are many out there looking for sources of energy to farm on if you let them. 

 

which brings me to your second questions. This path that I had taken with the astral is a very sharp double edge sword. It truly does change your life in an extreme positive or negative (me). But the divider is awareness, wisdom, discipline and maturity, of which I had barely any at that age. My advice is study, experience and prepare your whole being as much as you can before you make the step into that realm  For me, proper meditation ( where i would sit in absolute stillness ) gave me an abundance of qi or shen for that matter and would overflow into my night experience, giving me spontaneous lucid dreams which were a universe in of themselves. The only material i used to help me go beyond was a book by Robert Bruce - Astral Dynamics. A very good book for preparation both practically/energetically and theoretically. He explains how to attune and re-awaken you energy body for such practices.

 

However if you can do more preparation than I did, that would be best. I have many stories about my astral experience (positive ones) but I guess will post them once I fix my Dantian issue.

 

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/304977.Astral_Dynamics - just an example you could buy it online or find a hardcover if you like. 

 

Hope this helps 

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effilang - Thank you very much I'm counting on it passing. Yes that has been quite a lead. In that matter it seems my awareness is too heavy for my weakened Dantian. whereas when I'm sleeping, my awareness is not putting any weight on it. The logical response to this IMO would not be deflating my awareness, but re-establishing my Dantien to It's normal state. Yeah It seems like Mantak's practices are pretty peculiar, especially when practiced alone.  

 

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Jeff - No worries Jeff. That would seem like it would help. I wouldn't mind if you did, I'm not sure if you would need me to do anything to help but yeah anything that would help I'm up for   let's see what we can do.

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Aperion&Perion - Yes I agree on the sexual stimulation side. Although my libido has been non present, when i actively stimulate it my whole body gets a lot of chi and my symptoms tend to dissipate temporarily while I'm stimulated. In these circumstances i would try to transmute but when it reaches my Dantian that energy has been condensed and no longer supports the Dantian, therefore it doesnt store and ends up in gas. So yes, I avoid that  . 

 

In terms of the organ affecting this, I have a feeling it has to do with my spleen and/or kidneys that manage my vital qi. But yet another shot in the dark. 

 

Thanks heaps for this technique I'll give it a try, It seems simple enough. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

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OldWolf - Thanks for the suggestion. Although in terms of dealing with the entity, I would say it's gone for good. I was hoping you would have any suggestions on my Dantian? Since you mentioned its a passion for you.

 

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Miffymog - Yes I agree on your experience for me it felt so but i feel its my salvation as it truly did lift me out of the negative. Gym seems like it would help, particularly core exercises that work the abdominal. Best of luck to you. 

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[dawei]

my remote prognosis is that there is something tightening up on the left side of your body... 

 

My advise would be to do a full body scan and relax every inch of your body along the scan. 

[MooNiNite]

How hott would your Dantien get before all this happened? You may have ruptured your lower dantien. However, if that was the case you would be able to feel the jing liquid leaking down your leg, and you haven't mentioned that, so maybe not. 

 

Gas and bloating is chi. Chi is air, but also substance. It is possible, you're leaking chi or more specifically, jing.

 

However, trying to fix an injury like this can be a black hole in and of itself, but there are definitely, suggestions. 

Edited November 28, 2016 by MooNiNite

[Seeker1]

dawei - Yes I definitely share the same view. most of my semi successful attempts have involved some movement of my left abdominal area. I haven't tried what you have suggested yet, It might give me more insight on a deeper level. I'll let you Know how that goes. Thank you

 

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MooNiNite - My dantien was pretty warm I guess, Temperature wise, yes it was warmer than It is now. I would say mainly because I'ts basically non existent ( I can't really feel it anymore). I felt my navel beating quite nicely and always had a nice feeling there (always excited and driven) Yeah as for the Jing and the legs, no such sensation thank God.

 

Is there any suggestions you would have for me if it may be a "ruptured Dantain"?. I have been looking around other posts and have specifically seen a post from you in response to someone regarding a similar issue. You mentioned  "If you feel gassy and bloated that's a bad sign" (I'm paraphrasing). I was wondering if you had something in mind as to what it is and what you would see as a solution?  

 

Thank you 

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Aperion&Perion - I tried what you suggested. It actually stimulated my Jade pillow. It was quite a powerful affect though I suspect It wouldn't be helping my specific situation. Thanks Again for the suggestion I appreciate it 

[EmeraldHead]

Hmmm, similar background here . My opinion is you messed up your vitality and yeah most likely your intestinal track got damaged while in that state of low vitality so IBS now...hence the reason for those quick non smelly farts. Is your breath hot/smell like fish or cheese or just smeel in general?

 

I would say you can fix yourself in time...a few years is more than enough. First stay celibate, complete brahmacharya no excuses including mental. You need to gather chi, so earthing and sungazing will help as well. As for the wet dreams...they happen when you don't practice brahmacharya and start practicing just semen retention....to keep it short :|

 

You need to start working out as much as possible, changing your lifestyle completly - no sitting down unless you eat or are at work, start stretching during the day every now and then having a very healthy including socially and mentally lifestylre as possible but keeep the brahmacharya mindset for a while at least...if you must sex, then reduce to 4-6 a year or something like that and with your woman only and no masturbation of any kind (http://selfdefinition.org/celibacy/gopal-krishna-collection/contents.htm). When you get urges do some pushups go for a sprint or do some intent visualisation, see your nervous system bright blue and strong like steeel, your will/attention/yi unshakeably strong and like that of a dragon, your skin unpiercable, your tendons a bit of a brownish orange carrot like feeling and immensly strong, etc. focus on this and the chi will go there and get used up, lowering your tension. AND MOST importantly start practicing thought control yoga as much as possible minimum 1 hour every single day. Do Absolutu's method if you have his reddit amas, or there is a channel dynamicmentalfitness, go on the fb group in the description and there is a quick start guide with 12 wonderful tehcniques or there are all kinds of concentration exercises over the internet or in yoga books like concnetrating on a clock hand...but those are usually inferior ones. T Lavon's and Absolutus are the ones that will cultivate your mind properly - yes drop the anapa, it's fluffy bunny compared to real mind cultivation, to keep it straightforward. 

 

You can heal yourself in no time. Theres a nice exercise called tower of light around occultists, its a quick 2minute and a nice one to do, I see it keeps your mind fresh...do it 2-3 times a day. And I repeat you can heal yourself.

 

As for your "lost my dan tien" It starts as a energetic ball, then gets very hot, etc. but a true dan tien is a physically solid thing. You never had one...just some energy down there. If you start doing the thought control practice properly don't move energy there, if you still wish to build it, other join LMP or just leave your yi there...but there will no need for that to rebuild yourself.

 

my 2 cents, take what you will out of it.

[awaken]

The energy of lower dan tian can not stay in lower dan tian, and can not make a circle, too.

 

The energy of lower dan tian ,called Jin , should be used to open middle dan tian.

 

How is Jin used to open middle dan tian?

 

By practicing the right way,Jin would become 鉛Qi.

 

Then 鉛Qi will get 汞 together.

 

When 鉛汞合 happen, we should let our fire less, called 文火.

 

When we stay in the state of 鉛汞合，we relax more to go into 入定.

 

This way , our Jin go into Ying to 化解五臟濁氣

 

After 五臟濁氣化盡，jin can be transport to 鉛氣Qi ,and 鉛Qi transport to Shen.

 

So our Jin should NOT be stayed in lower dan tian.

 

練精化氣

練氣化神

練神還虛

 

You can not just practice the first step, and ignore the second step.

 

The first step is yang, the second is Ying.

 

Every time you practice, yang first , and Ying come after yang

 

Ying and yang should be peacticed in sequence in one time practicing.

Edited November 28, 2016 by awaken

[thelerner]

I noticed when I meditated with Michael Winn, top Healing Tao teacher, that he'd have many burp like happenings during meditation, not loud just expelling air quite a bit.  Why?  I don't know but in some advanced people it happens. 

 

My generic thoughts are when things get strange and unpleasant in meditation (especially esoteric), back off a bit.  More grounding, walking, keeping it simple.  Give your body and mind some time to rest, equalize.  Sometimes pushing through strangeness can get you to the other side, but often it leaves you in worse shape. 

[RiverSnake]

Chun Yi Lin is a skilled healer. I have a feeling he may be able to help you. 

 

http://www.springforestqigong.com/index.php/master-chunyi-lin

[Andrei]

 

I truly hope my story has given you something of value.

 

To me this story is just another confirmation that all these practices are just a waste of time by creating no more than a Vata imbalance in the body (Wind element) or as in TCM called "Qi sickness".

[Cheshire Cat]

My personal opinion:

 

Do you wear glasses?

 

If not, I would suggest to stop all energy practices (aka cultivating tactile sensations in different parts of the body) and to meditate with the eyes open, back support (avoid stimulation of Du-Mai) and to forget your body entirely.

Meditate on something conceptual and forget breath & body as much as you can.

[Seeker1]

Arramu - My symptoms are quite similar to IBS although I guess I haven't defined it as the root since the symptoms came directly after that incident. I have started taking Pro-biotics to aid my GI track to be sure. My breath is pretty neutral actually i would have noticed otherwise. Hahaha oh man i wish i had that much time! I know patience is required for these kind of things and i will do what I must and would say I'm one step away from being normal again.

 

Working out seems to be a common theme here and It has been helping significantly so I will continue. I believe in the power of brahmachraya It is i guess the core of my benefits ( by avoiding ejaculations) I am always keeping my energy in check. I very much like the visualization of the nervous system that you have suggested I'm definitely going to incorporate that. I'll also check out the channels you suggest and see what I find to suit my regime. I cant seem to find the tower of light meditation you mentioned though I might have to look deeper.

 

Thanks for all your advice I'll let you know how It goes. 

 

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awaken - I completely agree with you. jing should become qi and not forced to stay jing. I found when I filled up my lower dantian it would naturally overflow as qi into my middle dantian like filling up like a cauldron. It felt very right in the time of doing it properly. when you say "by practicing the right way" what exactly did you have in mind? 

 

As the way that worked for me I found i didn't have to focus on turning my jing into qi as it happened naturally when there was an abundance. I would be really interested if there was another specific way to facilitate this transformation other than automatic.

 

Thank you

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thelener - Yes Mantak Chia and the teachers at the Tao Gardens would burp like madmen. They said it was a good sign of your body releasing trapped gas. I felt it does just that when I was practicing with them. 

 

The thought of keeping things simple like that excites me quite a lot. I guess a lot of the complexity is within the journey of finding what to do. After that you can do what's needed in a simple way because there is no excess thought around the subject, just simple action. I wish to be there soon. 

 

I agree. Sometimes not walking, can take you many steps ahead.

 

Thanks for your grounded advice I feel just letting go for a while will cultivate a nice balance in my pursuit of being in health once more.

 

Thank you

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OldWolf - Yes I have heard a lot Master chun Yi Lin. I would love to have a face to face session but I couldn't afford such a venture atm. Although there may be other options than that for a healing session.

 

Thanks for the lead I will look further into that path.

 

Thank you 

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Andrei - I am definitely more cautious of such things now. This has simply added more to my wisdom of this area. I'm glad you mentioned Vata imbalance, It gives me another angle to look at this. 

 

Thanks

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Cheshire Cat - I wear glasses yes. I'm not too sure how this plays a part in what you are suggesting. But overall I would agree that it would probably be best for me to 'tune out' of my body in the time of healing.

 

If you could clarify that would be great.

 

Thank you

[Seeker1]

Thank you everyone for your input I'm taking on board a lot of your advice. It seems to me that overall, (from a summary of everyone's advice) It would be best that I do some sort of gentle indirect form of natural healing via some sort of exercise to promote a natural balance of my energy, which would allow the intelligence of my own system to do it's thing. I am practicing 

semen retention as I mentioned in my first post and have started doing physical Tao Yin Yoga into my morning routine. 

 

I will also home in on the best suggestion of exercise from all your advice. In addition What would you guys suggest I do in terms of the best exercise/qigong to promote healthy flowing qi in my body that would naturally be a self maintaining system?

 

It would be best that it wouldn't be an exclusive form that I would have to learn overseas (I live in Melbourne Australia). And if anything, It could help specifically with the Dantian. I've always tried to look for such a general solid system but never come across it as It may have appeared too basic.

 

I was suggested to practice Primordial Qigong by Michael Winn via PM. I'm heading more towards this atm. If you might have a better suiting suggestion I would love to hear it. Otherwise if there's more advice you could give me please don't hesitate.

 

I really appreciate the input guys I feel i just may break through this once and for all.

 

God bless 

[Andrei]

I had the same symptoms and for the same reasons. If you do semen retention, the sperm becomes too Yang, too hot. Yang excess in kidneys dry the water, the liver becomes dry, then the liver wood attacks the metal (the large intestine) and thus the IBS. In terms of Ayurveda, gases in the colon are a symptom of Vata. In Ayurveda the fire Agni increases Pitta, Pitta dries Kapha (the water or Ojas). When Ojas dry then Vata is produced (which is an excess of Prana or gases). In Taoist terms this means that Qi is too much and Jing too little, which is diagnosed as Jing deficiency or Liver/Kidney Yin deficiency. You had Liver/Kidney Yin deficiency when you masturbate too much but, then you recovered through herbs and meditation, but when meditation is too much, it activates the Fire in the small intestine and Dantian area. By the way the reason why meditation is done with the focus on belly button is to activate the metabolic Fire in the small intestine which is the Agni. The metabolic fire warms the kidneys which produces the steam that nourishes the body, but too much fire dryies the kidneys and produces too much gas, which is why you have these conditions. The dantian is not a "ball of energy" this is the most stupid idea I ever read and believed. Yes there are people who can do that but that comes with a cost, and the cost is the health and even the life of the person. Some people practice because "that is how they were taught" but that does not guarantee that the practice is safe and sane. Some people know how these things work but they take risks, and they know they risk their life with that. It is better to consider your whole body as a Dantian, and all your organs and elements as ingredients that need to be balanced. But that takes to know your body, your energy, to be your own master and to practice your own style without learning from anybody anything else. Just find what is good for you, what keeps you in balance.

And with regards to semen retention there is a reason why the body dispels the semen periodically, it is the same reason why women have periods, the sexual energy builds up and then needs to be flushed. So once a month usually when is full moon there is no problem if you have a nocturnal emission, this happens because full moon is Yang energy and the excess Yang in the body triggers the semen emission. It is a natural phenomenon and a Taoist usually has a wife and have sex with her just as any other person. If you are single and celibate there are herbs that help building Jing and raising Yin like Schizandra berries, Goji berries, Chasteberry, Rehmannia and many others, but in any situation the excess becomes the exact opposite, like in excess of Yang becomes Yin and excess of Yin becomes Yang so here is where you should pay attention in your practice, how much is too much. your body is telling you exactly what it needs but you need to change the paradigm to understand what it really is trying to communicate.

[MooNiNite]

The dantian is not a "ball of energy" this is the most stupid idea I ever read and believed. 

 

If the dantien is not a container, then how does it get hot?

[Brian]

I would recommend the Stillness-Movement system taught by Michael Lomax (Ya Mu on this forum).

[mindtooloud]

I would recommend the Stillness-Movement system taught by Michael Lomax (Ya Mu on this forum).

ok brIan

[salaam123]

did you find help?

[ChiDragon]

On 11/26/2016 at 8:53 PM, Seeker1 said:

I had started meditating at the age of 15 – 16 and had quickly escalated to lucid dreaming and finally astral projection. As a curious, vibrant and immature teenager that I once was, it wasn’t long before my lack of wisdom, knowledge and awareness got the better of me. I had come across an entity that I started to have sexual interactions with. Long story short without knowing it, I was being drained of my life force through an unnatural amount of ejaculations during the night and the day through this almost demonic influence of this entity, both directly and indirectly. At an average I would ejaculate 3 – 5 times during the day and more in the night for the next couple of years. In this time I had no knowledge about the disastrous effects this would have on me in the times that followed.

 

I had always been a very happy loving person full of energy and creativity. But as a result of these events I quickly saw myself age at an alarming rate, witnessing the worst of life take over my whole being. I quickly sunk to what people would define as an old man in his last days.  I was weak with very minimal energy; my function of my body was reduced to mere survival instincts in which no higher functions of my being were in sight. No more happiness, vitality, youth, creativity, drive, clarity and eventually the ability to meditate. I went from a young man to a clumsy awkward doped out zombie. It was worse than a nightmare, because in a nightmare, at least you’re alive. I was living in the manifestation of nothingness itself via the lack of my biological functions. In this time there was no logical explanation that I could conceive and everyone around me could not see outside of the paradigm that outlines; if you are young, you should have energy. So I was stuck, forced to embark on a journey to the solution even though I was literally chained down by death itself.

@Seeker1

Sorry to hear about your problem. I am, also, sorry that I was not here to help you due to my absence for awhile. I don't know if you are still here or not. Your description is the worth thing that could happened to a teenager. I thought I had read someone else here with the worse case but not. You were!

In most cases, excessive masturbation will cause continuous pain to the left side of the abdomen. It was not a very comfortable feeling. However, there is a way to cure it. I understand that you had abdominal message by someone performed on you before. Your problem still didn't go away. Apparently, the person did not message at the right place for you. There two place should be applied by the acupressure method. They are the navel and 1 to 2 inches below the navel area. Pressure should be applied with both the index and middle fingers for a few minutes. The pain should be disappeared right away. 

There are some special instruction for the acupressure method. I had placed many times here but just couldn't find it again. Maybe my friend @Cobie could help me find that. She is very good at that sort of things.

Edited December 18, 2023 by ChiDragon

[Cobie]

 

On 12/12/2014 at 10:37 PM, ChiDragon said:

… by using your index and middle fingers to press 1 to 1.5 inch below your belly button. This is called acupressure. While you are applying pressure to that location, you will have a pulsating feeling against your fingers. However, you will feel a little pulsating pain, also, but don't worry about it. The pain will go away after the pulsating sensation is gone. …

 

On 22/08/2012 at 9:22 PM, ChiDragon said:

… Here is what is happening, most guys masturbate more than once a day. The reproductive system need time to recuperate after once, but two to three times of masturbation was over worked the system. Most guys get a pain on the left side of the abdomen. To get rid of the pain, you can perform acupressure right below the navel by pushing down with the index and middle fingers. You should feel a pulsating sensation, but don't worry just let it happen for awhile until the pains goes away. You may take a deep breath and expand the abdomen fully against the two fingers.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2023 by Cobie