Why do you say "school"?

[A.A.Khokhlov]

Well this group essentially has driven 'Vitalii' out from this forum; so you could say they achieved desired result as far as Vitalii was concerned.

 

Are you talking about Vitalii Lishina? He is known as a creator of false school in Russia with funny stories of him being found by true taoist patriarch in a park of small city in Ukraine, after that being taught by him without knowing Chinese, by telepathy. We feel sorry for people who managed to believe such a fables.

 

He once promised people to introduce them to his nonexistent "teacher" in China - people left him after that trip saying "So we were in China. Didn't manage to find Vitalii's teacher. Leaving his "school" now".

 

Actually noone can "drive" someone out of the forum (except being banned). But if a person is introducing fakes and has no more arguments to support his words - you shouldn't be surprised by him leaving the discussion.

 

Damn! Its a dog eats dog in russian neidan, then!  Its a regular Taoist jungle over there!  ....And now it is over here!

 

Gee, i wonder who are they after now?

 

One more pointless post. You better finally admit your fault about not knowing basic Patriarch's words about necessity of a True Teacher 

 

Best Regards,

A.A.Khokhlov

Edited December 11, 2016 by A.A.Khokhlov

[alchemist]

 

One more pointless post. You better finally admit your fault about not knowing basic Patriarch's words about necessity of a True Teacher 

 

 

Yes, he made lot of faults: http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/42734-checking-the-checkers

Again a funny attempt to hide from answering..

[Taoist Texts]

 . You better finally admit your fault about not knowing basic Patriarch's words about necessity of a True Teacher 

 

 

 

Or what?

[ilumairen]

As "their" refers to me as well - I have so much to share with fellow members beyond that basics about School and a Teacher. And it is true that tranquil rythmic talk is much better.

 

But we can put elixir only in a clean vessel otherwise it would just become dirty and turn to nothing...

 

Best Regards,

A.A.Khokhlov

Thank you for your response.

 

Do you have recommendations on maintaining a clean vessel?

[Pavel Karavaev]

I live in St. Petersburg (Russia), and familiar with the Wu Liu pai school and I have to say that much of what the user AWAKEN said about Wu Liu pai practice absolutely opposite to that I know from my own experience.

 

I am not a disciple of Wuliupai school, but I attend regular classes of the Daode Center in Saint-Petersburg  for more than 3 years. I practice Daogun (basic qigong method) and basic practices of Wu Liu and YuiXian schools wich openly taught here for external students.

Daogun method entirely based on the naturalness, it does not have any elements of control energy by the mind or intention. The same I can say about the method Jiuu yang shen gong - which is the basic method Wuliupai school, and It generally provides a mechanism of the natural movement of energy within the body by itself and it goes absolutely naturally, without use the consciousness and intentions. I could say it is eminently natural practice.

 

I have achieved very good results during practicing Daogun and Jiu yang shen gong method and I going to practice it in future because i really enjoy how it works. And I know many people personally who are practicing these techniques and also have excellent results and celebrate the fact that their lives have changed for the better.

 

Best regards.

[SeekerOfHealing]

Jiuu yang shen gong - which is the basic method Wuliupai school, and It generally provides a mechanism of the natural movement of energy within the body by itself and it goes absolutely naturally, without use the consciousness and intentions. I could say it is eminently natural practice.

 

And opendao blames other for spontaneous qigong while is basic method of Wu Liu Pai.

[A.A.Khokhlov]

Thank you for your response.

 

Do you have recommendations on maintaining a clean vessel?

 

The main formula here is - to clean it regularly. Similar to how you do it in your house or how city services do on the streets.

And secondly you can try to take yourself away from dirt.

 

And opendao blames other for spontaneous qigong while is basic method of Wu Liu Pai.

 

Did he? Any kind of qigong is allright in case it doesn't harm people. The difference in WuLiupai is that Jiuyangshengong uses special mechanism to initiate yuanqi movements inside of a practitioner's body (]not ordinary qi but yuanqi) and that is why it has that 16 specialities we can discuss a bit later.

 

So it can only look similar to spontaneous qigong but not being it actually.

 

Best Regards,

A.A.Khokhlov

Edited December 12, 2016 by A.A.Khokhlov

[A.A.Khokhlov]

 

I live in St. Petersburg (Russia), and familiar with the Wu Liu pai school and I have to say that much of what the user AWAKEN said about Wu Liu pai practice absolutely opposite to that I know from my own experience.

 

I am not a disciple of Wuliupai school, but I attend regular classes of the Daode Center in Saint-Petersburg  for more than 3 years. I practice Daogun (basic qigong method) and basic practices of Wu Liu and YuiXian schools wich openly taught here for external students.

Daogun method entirely based on the naturalness, it does not have any elements of control energy by the mind or intention. The same I can say about the method Jiuu yang shen gong - which is the basic method Wuliupai school, and It generally provides a mechanism of the natural movement of energy within the body by itself and it goes absolutely naturally, without use the consciousness and intentions. I could say it is eminently natural practice.

 

I have achieved very good results during practicing Daogun and Jiu yang shen gong method and I going to practice it in future because i really enjoy how it works. And I know many people personally who are practicing these techniques and also have excellent results and celebrate the fact that their lives have changed for the better.

 

Best regards.

 

Right. We have a lot of Russian students who can easily confirm WuLiupai is nothing of what "awaken" has written about. But only few of them knows English to say it here. However we are going to translate their testimonials and post here in a separate topic.

 

Best Regards,

A.A.Khokhlov

[Pavel Karavaev]

I didn't say about spontaneous qigong. I even didn't practice it. But i heart from few people who had practice spontaneous qigong  before,  that  Jiuu yang shen gong seems like spontaneous qigong  at first look. But Jiu yang shen gong give much better effect, and what it feels inside different, and it even looks different outside (in case of the movements).

 

And opendao blames other for spontaneous qigong while is basic method of Wu Liu Pai.

So it is not so. 

Edited December 12, 2016 by Pavel Karavaev

[SeekerOfHealing]

It's is but I will not point a child game with people. A.A.Khokhlov is different great. I really respect such people because I see you practicing right ways and have right results which imprints in person character and De, opendao still have much steps to do so on how to interact with people - it always requires some kind of skill.

 

Opendao just said thing about Xiao Yao Pai Dao Yin Shu art which similar generates spontaneous moves like in spontaneous qigong, nothing big but people can not be sure if they do not practice or do not have great insight to see what type of Qi is going on while person practice it.

 

How many stages or level is in Jiu yang shen gong? 13 or 9 ?

[Arkady Shadursky]

The book dao yoga, something is right , something is wrong.

 

What liau Kung said is right.

 

But what Jaou said is not always right.

 

There are many mistakes in Jaou's words.

 

Especially the methods of control is wrong.

So, its official info that Liu Huayang was the Teacher of Liao Kong.

And it is Liu Huayang from who Liao Kong got transmission (as official Qianfeng says)

And after this you are saying that book of Patriarch Liu Huayang is full of mistakes.   

 

Please clarify your position if you have anything to say, excluding answers like:

"you are not my student"

"you are too rude"

"no manners"

And so on.

 

I would like to hear the constructive answer

---

Arkady

 

P.S. I also would like to answer your questions, and questions of every fellow member of this forum. If anyone have some to me   

 

[thelerner]

Well this group essentially has driven 'Vitalii' out from this forum; so you could say they achieved desired result as far as Vitalii was concerned.

I didn't know much about Vitalii and his school, but the little I did had my respect.  His always seemed sincere and well cultivated in a balanced way. 

[MIchael80]

The main formula here is - to clean it regularly. Similar to how you do it in your house or how city services do on the streets.

And secondly you can try to take yourself away from dirt.

 

 

Did he? Any kind of qigong is allright in case it doesn't harm people. The difference in WuLiupai is that Jiuyangshengong uses special mechanism to initiate yuanqi movements inside of a practitioner's body (]not ordinary qi but yuanqi) and that is why it has that 16 specialities we can discuss a bit later.

 

So it can only look similar to spontaneous qigong but not being it actually.

 

Best Regards,

A.A.Khokhlov

Dear A.A. Khoklov!

 

Would like to hear some of the 16 specialities you mentioned!

 

Thanks in advance for taking the time!

best

Michael

[Mudfoot]

Anything like the 16 nei gong principles that Bruce Frantzis writes about?