Why do you say "school"?

[Mudfoot]

When it is cold and dreary, all you need is a classic Nei Dan thread on the Bums.

Although lacking the verbality of a good Mo Pai thread (MPG is busy, dissecting Taxicat I belive), it still have the main ingrediences of a good show.

 

Based on posted descriptions, it would still be difficult to see which method is pre-heaven and leads to immortality, and which is post-heaven and leads to nowhere.

 

All?

None?

Nobody's method but mine?

[Taoist Texts]

 still be difficult to see which method is pre-heaven and leads to immortality, and which is post-heaven and leads to nowhere.

 

All?

None?

Nobody's method but mine?

None of the above.

[Mudfoot]

Not even my method?

No immortality for the Mudfooted one.

Darn....

[effilang]

ha ha. Lady, learn how to prove your words first.....

 

Oh the IRONY!

[Taoist Texts]

Not even my method?

No immortality for the Mudfooted one.

Darn....

 

just man up and buy one

[awaken]

It is sunny and warm in Taiwan.

 

If you want to know wu Wei , you need a personality of good quality.

 

Only Clear mind and good attitude can understand.

 

Being Proud will blind your eyes to the way.

 

And use simple words please. Thanks.

 

 

 

Methods are based on body position and mind control.

 

But what I teach is our body follow the chi at the beginning.

 

So no fixed method in my teaching

 

Methods come out by itselves.

Edited December 6, 2016 by awaken

[SeekerOfHealing]

Show him a good book and he will run away. They all hate good books.

 

hahah lmao

[SeekerOfHealing]

Pre-heaven = doing nothing, wu wei

Post-heaven = doing something

 

Cultivation = doing something while doing nothing.

[awaken]

Pre-heaven = doing nothing, wu wei

Post-heaven = doing something

 

Cultivation = doing something while doing nothing.

Cultivation is like cooking rice.

 

At first, it need big fire.武火

 

After the water boil, then turn down to small fire and keep on cooking.文火

 

After the rice is well-cooked, we turn off the fire.止火

 

But we still can not open the cover and let it stay for a while.

 

The electric rice cooker will keep the rice warm.--溫養（I do not know how to translate the noun to English. But this noun is very important in dan do. If anyone can translate for it. I'll be thankful.)

 

So what we need is the right fire.

 

We do not need to churn the rice while cooking.

 

The fire will make the water go circle by itself.

 

Churn -- have Wei

 

Go circle（convection ） by itself because of heat( the Shen fire)---- wu Wei

 

 

 

 

The fake dan dao school call the convection as dharma wheels.

 

But it is not.

 

The convection in dan dao is called 沐浴，means take a shower.

 

Dharma wheels is mandala, lotus, which appear after emptiness.

 

 

 

So now all you know that if we want a whole cultivation, we need to know what the fire is, but not to churn the chi(rice).

 

 

Every cultivation need a lot of time to be well-cooked.

 

Two hours or more are needed.

 

We do not need any methods.

 

What we need is not to let our fire go out to thinking in the big fire stage.

 

This is another big issue.

 

 

 

 

 

Every time We do the cultivation , we cook the chi once.

 

It is called Ying yang.

 

Yang -- big fire , small fire

 

Ying-- stop fire

 

Every cultivation has fire(yang) and no fire(Ying)

 

But the fake dan dao schools misunderstand.

 

They think big fire is yang and small fire is Ying.

 

They do not know what is stop fire.

 

They do not know Ying.

 

When you use methods, you are in Yang.

 

Because you are controling something,

 

Your 識(consciousness)Shen is working.

 

When your consciousness Shen is working, you are in Yang.

 

 

The fake dan dao schools teach you to use methods to control the chi and this control make your Yang too much.

 

You may feel headache.

 

If you do make the chi go circle , your mind will get used to control.

 

And this way may twist your mind and make you become a controller.

 

 

What you learn from the fake dan dao schools not only twist your mind, but it also makes you get the post-heaven chi.

 

 

 

There are three kinds of chi.

 

Post-heaven chi, pre-heaven chi, and pre-heaven real one chi.

 

Post-heaven chi comes from big fire.

 

Pre-heaven chi comes from small fire.

 

Pre-heaven real one chi comes from emptiness.

 

You might ask, what about "stop fire"?

 

After you stop fire, you go into Hun-dun.混沌恍惚渺冥

 

This is another big issue, too.

 

After Hun-dun, the real samadhi appear and the pre-heaven real one chi appear.

 

Mandala lotus, the real full moon, Yang Shen appear in the state- emptiness.

 

Hun-dun is not empty because there are bad chi inside Ying.

 

What we cultivate in Yang bring the Yang chi into Ying to dissolve the Ying chi .

 

After the Ying chi in Ying is all dissolved, Ying become empty.

 

Then we get the emptiness.

 

The pre-heaven real one chi appear.

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you all do not be cheated by the fake dan dao schools- wu Liu pai.

 

You do not need to spend a lot of money to learn the fake dan dao.

 

You just need a real teacher.

 

Maybe you do not need any teacher.

 

You just need a friend to tell you the truth.

Edited December 6, 2016 by awaken

[Daeluin]

溫養 - incubate - nourishing warmly to encourage the growth of something small and vulnerable, such as a bird sitting on an egg.

 

I'm guessing 沐浴 is what I've seen translated elsewhere as bathing.

[YiYinYiYang]

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Edited August 12, 2017 by YiYinYiYang

[Taoist Texts]

That's true, you can learn it on your own from books and/or from like-minded friends, then once you've got 幻丹 you'll be confident enough to begin to believe that you can enlight blind people on internet forums and lead them on the true path to an awakening to illusion.

 

Dear YYYY,

 

thank you for your kind contribution to this thread. Could you please kindly elaborate on 3 simple questions:

 

1. What is the illusory elixir 幻丹?

2. What is the true elixir?

3. Have you created the true elixir yourself?

 

 

Thank you so much in advance.

[SeekerOfHealing]

Yep, there are many people who speaks about knowledge from books about what is true and what is not on basis of readings rather then cultivation which makes no sense. How can you know only by reading what is true and what is false base on your own acceptance and opinion? Most people are ignorant (sorry) so they will accept everything on the basis of ignorance not cultivation. 

[awaken]

That's true, you can learn it on your own from books and/or from like-minded friends, then once you've got 幻丹 you'll be confident enough to begin to believe that you can enlight blind people on internet forums and lead them on the true path to an awakening to illusion.

 

Another fake school salesman to sell the fake Dan dao?

 

Do you really know what is 幻丹？

 

I will talk about 幻丹 latter on, maybe a few days.

[awaken]

Yep, there are many people who speaks about knowledge from books about what is true and what is not on basis of readings rather then cultivation which makes no sense. How can you know only by reading what is true and what is false base on your own acceptance and opinion? Most people are ignorant (sorry) so they will accept everything on the basis of ignorance not cultivation.

I know ,of course.

 

And I am willing to teach.

 

The way to real golden Dan.

 

I come here to recruit new friends to practice the real Dan dao.

 

If I have enough students to teach here, I won't come.

 

Now I have about 20 Chinese students.

 

So I stop to recruit the new members from China.

 

I will lead them for ten years at least.

 

I will spend a few years to teach here until I have enough students.

Edited December 7, 2016 by awaken

[awaken]

溫養 - incubate - nourishing warmly to encourage the growth of something small and vulnerable, such as a bird sitting on an egg.

 

I'm guessing 沐浴 is what I've seen translated elsewhere as bathing.

Thanks a lot.

[awaken]

Now if somebody in China want to join my group, they do not have chance to talk to me.

 

My students will lead them first, because I am busy here.

 

So if anyone want to learn the real Dan dao, please take the chance.

[opendao]

Yep, there are many people who speaks about knowledge from books about what is true and what is not on basis of readings rather then cultivation which makes no sense. How can you know only by reading what is true and what is false base on your own acceptance and opinion? Most people are ignorant (sorry) so they will accept everything on the basis of ignorance not cultivation. 

 

But now poor ignorant people here have awaken-mistaken to swallow everything she writes.

 

Let's thank Heavens to send such a relief to all these people! 

 

Maybe one day lady will write you why she knows nothing about nudan and has no signs of the progress in it, but so far it's much more interesting to read about hallucinations: white rabbit, mandala, white rabbit, pink elephant... Yangshen that is  nothing but a light spot... Hilarious.

 

Liu Huayang, a realized man, was so right about such people. Blinds leading blinds.

 

And let's not to forget to say thank you to Taoist Texts: without his efforts such event couldn't be possible. He prefers when people name him Arhont  Circus is open, kids are welcome! 

Edited December 7, 2016 by opendao

[opendao]

Now if somebody in China want to join my group, they do not have chance to talk to me.

 

My students will lead them first, because I am busy here.

 

So if anyone want to learn the real Dan dao, please take the chance.

 

Such a drama! 

[opendao]

That's true, you can learn it on your own from books and/or from like-minded friends, then once you've got 幻丹 you'll be confident enough to begin to believe that you can enlight blind people on internet forums and lead them on the true path to an awakening to illusion.

 

Right. Book worms don't fly, the only elixirs they know are dust of texts they can't read and beetle juice. But we can see a white rabbit from mouthful souls-catchers!

[opendao]

Cultivation is like cooking rice.

 

At first, it need big fire.武火

 

After the water boil, then turn down to small fire and keep on cooking.文火

 

After the rice is well-cooked, we turn off the fire.止火

 

But we still can not open the cover and let it stay for a while.

 

The electric rice cooker will keep the rice warm.--溫養（I do not know how to translate the noun to English. But this noun is very important in dan do. If anyone can translate for it. I'll be thankful.)

 

So what we need is the right fire.

 

We do not need to churn the rice while cooking.

 

The fire will make the water go circle by itself.

 

Churn -- have Wei

 

Go circle（convection ） by itself because of heat( the Shen fire)---- wu Wei

 

 

 

 

The fake dan dao school call the convection as dharma wheels.

 

But it is not.

 

The convection in dan dao is called 沐浴，means take a shower.

 

Dharma wheels is mandala, lotus, which appear after emptiness.

 

 

 

So now all you know that if we want a whole cultivation, we need to know what the fire is, but not to churn the chi(rice).

 

 

Every cultivation need a lot of time to be well-cooked.

 

Two hours or more are needed.

 

We do not need any methods.

 

What we need is not to let our fire go out to thinking in the big fire stage.

 

This is another big issue.

 

 

 

 

 

Every time We do the cultivation , we cook the chi once.

 

It is called Ying yang.

 

Yang -- big fire , small fire

 

Ying-- stop fire

 

Every cultivation has fire(yang) and no fire(Ying)

 

But the fake dan dao schools misunderstand.

 

They think big fire is yang and small fire is Ying.

 

They do not know what is stop fire.

 

They do not know Ying.

 

When you use methods, you are in Yang.

 

Because you are controling something,

 

Your 識(consciousness)Shen is working.

 

When your consciousness Shen is working, you are in Yang.

 

 

The fake dan dao schools teach you to use methods to control the chi and this control make your Yang too much.

 

You may feel headache.

 

If you do make the chi go circle , your mind will get used to control.

 

And this way may twist your mind and make you become a controller.

 

 

What you learn from the fake dan dao schools not only twist your mind, but it also makes you get the post-heaven chi.

 

 

 

There are three kinds of chi.

 

Post-heaven chi, pre-heaven chi, and pre-heaven real one chi.

 

Post-heaven chi comes from big fire.

 

Pre-heaven chi comes from small fire.

 

Pre-heaven real one chi comes from emptiness.

 

You might ask, what about "stop fire"?

 

After you stop fire, you go into Hun-dun.混沌恍惚渺冥

 

This is another big issue, too.

 

After Hun-dun, the real samadhi appear and the pre-heaven real one chi appear.

 

Mandala lotus, the real full moon, Yang Shen appear in the state- emptiness.

 

Hun-dun is not empty because there are bad chi inside Ying.

 

What we cultivate in Yang bring the Yang chi into Ying to dissolve the Ying chi .

 

After the Ying chi in Ying is all dissolved, Ying become empty.

 

Then we get the emptiness.

 

The pre-heaven real one chi appear.

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you all do not be cheated by the fake dan dao schools- wu Liu pai.

 

You do not need to spend a lot of money to learn the fake dan dao.

 

You just need a real teacher.

 

Maybe you do not need any teacher.

 

You just need a friend to tell you the truth.

 

The best instruction how to see an elephant... Speaking seriously, in all these schema there is no place for a small detail: True Water.

 

And now what really Wu-Liu Pai teaches about this: 

 

"Earlier it has already been said about the principle that "if a body does not have a true seed, it will only be like using fire to boil an empty pot", and about its dangers for practitioners.

 

These practitioners, feeling as "qi moves through the channels Ren and Du", accelerate the process of loss of their own Jing.

 

This is a way of speeding up the approach of death, it does a lot of harm and has no benefits. It's just a wrong,  a “side-road” method of practice.

 

Our School of Wu Chung-Xu – Liu Hua-yang  teaches a dual perfection of Xing and Ming, and what is called "heavenly circle" - it is really the "heavenly circle  of the elixir’s way. "

 

Once a student of the School produces a "true seed", then it will be not  qi but rather the “true water” that will circulate through the Ren and Du Meridians, also the locations of its awareness will be different too.

 

In the  elixir way these channels are passed using the qi of the Previous sky, in that process of circulation from top to bottom  a "sweet dew" will flow, directly sinking into the lower Dantian, and it happens in reality, not in imagination.

 

As stated above in "heavenly circle" of qigong, its the external qi that rotates exhausting the body's jing. On the other hand, in the way of the elixir, the heavenly circle leads to longevity, it increases Yuan-jing and Yuan-qi in the body, but the "heavenly circle" of qigong  leads to depletion of the Yuan-jing, leads to death.

 

Once a student completes the  "elixir seed", a heavenly circle of alchemy starts by itself and will last continuously, collecting the " small medicine", replenishing their own Yuan-jing and Yuan-qi, which has huge benefits and no harm."

 

As we see, fairy lady was telling bunch of lies based on her misunderstandings of the basic thing in the alchemy. And obviously she never saw any Wu-Liu Pai practitioner. It's another lie.

[Kar3n]

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[opendao]

 

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belittling another. A teacher should lead by example, and the examples displayed and the attitudes here are less than what I suppose many are looking for in someone to lead them on a spiritual journey.

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Any further attacks will result in mod team action.

 

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I decided to repeat it here, so make my position clear to all readers:

 

I really don't care when I'm being insulted but if it happens I think I'm in my right to reply accordingly.

 

I've seen your notifications and I'm trying to make your life easier, but really I don't think it's allowed by any rules to accuse Wu-Liu Pai (or whatever else school or person) in various crimes without providing any evidences. however it happens in every post of Awaken. As you can see I tried to tell her politely in the beginning, but she ignored that.

[opendao]

Now let's read what realized men, founders of Wu-Liu Pai school, have to say about the topic (Why do you say "school"?):

 

"Such people degrade in teaching, without understanding the Dao of Buddha, fall into mistake of conventional Chan phrases and in the end become completely fools, on the contrary getting harm from these records (Yulu). 

 

After all, without true words the Dao of perfection won’t be enough to attest the truth, without true records it will not be enough to unmask the falsehood. And if the falsity wins, then obsessions (hallucinations) will appear. And even if there is wisdom, nothing will be to follow and nothing to start with." (Liu Huayang)

 

Zhang Boduan, another realized man of the Southern School, which methods are learnt in Wu-Liu Pai:

 

If you don't know the direct-orthodox teaching about true lead - then by various actions will spend your achievements.

 

Naive people constantly trying to learn by books, avoiding teachers and schools. It's ok, everybody has a chance to try. But if you got no results, no Dao, what's the point to lead others to the same hell?

 

We've heard a lot of critics to WLP, to Wu Chongxu, to Liu Huayang, but find out years when they lived, and ask yourself, how realized man Wu Chogxu could teach Liu Huayang? Then think if you can do the same or those who you follow. If not, then it's too early to criticise.

 

Dao is not about experiences, not about visions, it's about results. One of the result is a physical immortality and return of the youth. People afraid to even talk about it, because then 99% of so-called "alchemy masters" are obvious charlatans. But open any classic book, they all are about immortality and in-depth physical transformation, on becoming Xians and Buddhas. Accept it and search seriously, or practice something else, more suitable your goals. Alchemy without immortality is a waste of time. This result is a milestone, it cannot be skipped, because then it means you cannot go further.

 

To prevent usual trolling: nobody in a true alchemy school won't tell you about his/her personal results, achievements, practice, because if they do it, they won't be able to continue the practice. The statistics in Wu-Liu Pai School was published recently, maybe I'll translate it somewhere. For now just this: many Russian students could finish the first big step in Wu-Liu Pai school. It means a lot for those who understand. To learn there is very hard, so my point is that you know that such things exist and I'm responsible for my words.

Edited December 7, 2016 by opendao

[grassmountiansage]

She is authentic she mentioned the lotus opening in the middle dantian.......she is authentic.

 

Id urge all to listen to her.

 

The User Awaken.