What is the problem about Wu Liu?

[awaken]

People are interested in the issue.

 

So let's write it down.

[opendao]

People are interested in the issue.

 

So let's write it down.

 

Again? You didn't answered on previous lies and demonstrated obvious lack of understanding about the school's methods and texts. 

[awaken]

Again? You didn't answered on previous lies and demonstrated obvious lack of understanding about the school's methods and texts.

 

Who are you?

 

You have no right to ask me to answer you.

 

I can not find a reason to answer you.

 

Why?

 

I do not know why wu Liu pai can twist people so badly.

 

Maybe too much control.

 

The real dao say 鬆靜自然， but not control.

 

Wu Liu pai use so much control and make so much money by selling secret methods.

 

Do you know why they do not want to tell you the methods?

 

Because the methods is for sale in a very high price.

 

I do not think people need to waste money to learn the methods.

 

Because the method can make feel chi only, but open emptiness? No way.

 

 

 

Many wu Liu pai students pay a lot of money to learn the secret methods.

 

It is impossible for them to tell you what is the methods.

 

They want money from you.

 

 

 

Not only wu Liu, many religions do the same things.

 

They make money by selling you a strange thought or method.

 

But the methods can not find the way to open the emptiness.

 

When they have paid a lot of money and learned all the secret methods, it is time for them to make the money back.

 

They use the same excuses to sell their methods.

 

 

 

I like to teach.

 

I will not tell the kind of people what is the secret way.

 

If I let them know too much, I just give the kind of people more informations to make money.

 

 

 

Of course, if you have a lot of money , and you are willing to pay a lot of money to know what is going on about wu Liu, that is fine.

 

Just a purchase, nothing big deal, right?

 

 

 

I think most people just want to know how to practice efficiently.

Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[awaken]

For example, why some schools always teach people do meditation by sitting?

 

They may give you dozens of reason.

 

But the real reason is making more money.

 

If everyone sit , they can have more students sitting in a big room.

 

 

So if sitting is necessary for a beginner or not?

 

Let's see what 王重陽Wang Chongyang said.

 

 

　 坐久則身勞，既不合理，又反成病。但心不著物，又得不動，此是真定正基。用此為定，心氣調和，久益清爽。以此為念，則邪正可知。若能心起皆滅，永斷覺知，入於忘定。倘任心所起，一無收制，則與凡夫不別。若惟斷善惡，心無指歸，肆意浮游，待自定者，徒自誤耳。若遍行諸事，言心無所染，於言甚善，於行極非，真學之流，特宜戒此。今則息妄而不滅照，寧靜而不著空，行之有常，自得真見，事或有疑，且任思量。令事得濟所疑複悟。此亦生惠正根。悟己則止，必莫有思。思則以智害性，為子傷本。雖聘一時之俊，終虧萬代之業。一切煩邪亂想，隨覺即除。若聞毀譽善惡等事，皆即撥去，莫將心受。受之則心滿，心滿則道無所居。所有見聞，如不見聞，即諸事不入於心。心不受外，名曰虛心。心不遂外，名曰安心。心安而虛，道自來居。

 

Can anyone find the translation? Thank you.

Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[awaken]

http://blog.xuite.net/p670098822/twblog/143923527-王重陽內修真訣（十論）

 

Who can find the translation?

 

It is a real dao classic.

 

If you read more real dan dao classic, you will know how to tell the fake and the truth.

 

It is very easy and clear.

 

Controlling methods are always the fake.

 

So how to be abiogenous？ how to be wu Wei?

 

I want to tell you how to practice , but there are too much disturb here.

 

If you are interested in wu Wei, join my qq group.

 

Let talk in qq group.

Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[SeekerOfHealing]

The thing is people keep those "secret" rather to just give them out - just like that. Unless there is need for initiation for those methods it's silly to keep them out unless someone have business with it.

[awaken]

The dao bums

513532775

 

This the qq group Id

[awaken]

If you continue practicing, you are going to 開關展竅

 

At first, you can feel the chi around.

 

If someone is sick, you can feel the bad chi from him.

 

If someone has good energy, you can have good chi received from him.

 

But this may take one or two years to open 竅s.

 

I have told you the entrance in hands, in soles, the top of heads, and the heart.

 

There are seven entrances in heart.

 

But it takes more time to open them.

 

 

And it will open the most important entrance - 玄關一竅

 

 

 

All we practice is for the entrance.

 

If you open the entrance , it will be very easy to tell which is true or fake.

[awaken]

Let's talk about breath.

 

 

If your head top is open, you can breath chi into du Mai easily.

 

So if you practice this way until your head top is opened, there is no need for you to pay a lot of money to learn how to breath to du Mai. It will happen by nature.

 

You do not need methods.

 

You need a good place and good time.

 

If you still do not know how to do , message me, or join my qq group.

Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[awaken]

Wu Liu pai always teach you to use breath to make a circle.

 

By the way, you are stopping your road.

 

The circle will happen by itself.

 

And it will change to other stage - the entrance.

 

I do not practice now.

 

After I close my eyes one or two breath time, the entrance is opened.

 

Everything you need to practice is right there.

 

No matter how someone insult me, I hope I can help one friend to open the entrance.

[awaken]

About the ego

 

There are six part about 識神 (ego Shen? How to translate it?)

 

Eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, mind

 

So what is ego Shen is hidden temporary？

 

The six receiver rest

 

You may ask if the six receiver rest, people will fall asleep.

 

This is not sleep.

 

Most of time, you feel half sleep and half awake.

 

And no thoughts.

 

Day by day, your body change to a state.

 

Your body sleep, but the inner awake.

 

Ego Shen fall asleep, an uan Shen awake.

 

 

 

What is the problem about wu Liu pai?

 

They said if you have golden light you absorb it to your body.

 

But we already know when our mind is working, ego Shen wake up.

 

So the light wu Liu pai see and absorb is not from uan Shen.

It is from ego Shen.

 

We all know there is no ego Shen in emptiness.

 

But wu Liu pai claim that they can use methods in emptiness.

 

That is impossible.

 

So they put the wrong stage.

 

In the state of ego Shen, there is golden light, too.

 

I hope you can practice with me and see the golden light by yourself.

 

Then you will know you do not need to pay a lot of money to buy useless methods.

 

You can see the golden light without any methods.

Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[Taoist Texts]

About the ego

 

There are six part about 識神 (ego Shen? How to translate it?)

 

Knowing Spirit, but ego-shen is just as good.

[awaken]

附錄：伍柳派略考

 

　　一、伍柳二仙真承傳天仙正法，並未組創伍柳派。

　　伍祖1593年逢師，1612年得三成全傳。於1615年收朱太和為徒，1632年傳衣缽全法於朱太和。1644年元旦，明亡前為全世節而大隱。1639年留記云：天仙之道，百劫百年一傳於世。

　　柳師約於1760年得伍祖傳天仙正法，應百年一傳留記。又遇壺雲老師傳達摩、慧能、寂無「拈花微笑」佛宗正法。

　　仙佛正傳，本同源同法、同修同證。本無彼此之分，僅示法各有側重。伍祖承傳天仙正法，柳師兼得仙佛正法。伍柳二真履世相距百年以上，並未組派，更非衣缽之傳。

　　二、世稱伍柳派之來源

　　後世修者，得伍柳二真人傳世丹經之蔭澤，尊稱修煉二真人所傳天仙正法者為伍柳派。

　　伍祖傳世丹經有1622年著《天仙正理》，1632年著《仙佛合宗語錄》，並親示以1639年二著加註者為準。柳師傳世丹經有1790年著《金仙證論》，1794年著《慧命經》，1799年增補危險說與後危險說於《金仙證論》中，重宣入手人仙功的訣旨心印。

　　二真人四著，本分刊度世。1864年後世學者始將柳師二著合刻，有梁靖陽序為證。此時並無伍柳派之概念，直至1897年光緒二十三年丁酉歲，鄧徽績等合刻四著於一書。定書名為《伍柳仙宗》，此後方有伍柳派之概念。此論有鄧氏（合刻伍柳真人書敘）及程德燦序文為證。鄧氏書敘明言合刻之因為誠求真師。鄧云求道二十餘年，雖得四著，尚茫不知旨。特募資刊印，以求感恪天仙正道之真師，憐其誠篤而度之。可知首創伍柳合名於一處的鄧氏，出書時，非但未得伍柳親度，此時井未真悟四著所闡天仙大道之理法訣景旨。鄧氏出書後是否得度，當視其根基因緣。可見連首創伍柳合名之鄧氏，亦非伍柳派之宗祖。後世自稱伍柳派者，皆僅私淑二真人之學而已。其中真得天仙正傳者，為真伍柳派。不知天仙正法者，悉皆冒牌貨，多欺世盜名之棍徒。

　　可笑後世棍徒，根基遠不如鄧氏，誠篤更與鄧氏有霄壤之差，為求浮世虛名，欺世盜名，常以伍柳派嫡傳誑人欺世；甚或誑稱親受柳師之度；以俗世姓氏宗譜惑人。

　　吾今鄭重警醒真修實悟者，切勿上當受騙，誤入歧途。伍祖留記明示：天仙之道，百劫百年一傳於世。豈能輕易傳人！凡得真傳者，必能證天仙，證佛果。必能真證實證長生不死，此乃初成小證，何足道哉！豈後世之棍徒，以其不知真法，不得真證，不能不死，不得不死，卻誑稱羽化之小術哉！真修實悟者，當深研細悟二真人四著原文。四著已示三成全法全旨。今世上尚無其他真得二真人所示初成法中，第一、二兩層人仙功法真傳者。二真人早料及此，為防棍徒妄言貽誤真修者，皆於著中明戒曰「毋勞後註」。世人何不悟之甚，還枉受欺騙！

　　黃元吉真人體伍柳二真人普度慈心，於傳世二著《道德經註釋》、《樂育堂語錄》中，重點特闡初成功中第一層入手孕、調藥求玄關之法，可惜世上少有知音者。

三、如何辨別真崇真得真傳伍柳天仙功法？

伍祖柳師淺言直示天仙正法以來，對後世真修者影響甚大。常有不肖棍徒，借二真人之名，招搖撞騙，攫取名利，貽誤真修實悟者。為防止此等禍害，特提出以下辨識真得、真修、真傳伍柳天仙功法的要點。

（一）以弘揚伍柳功法為己任，認真校刊原著，遵戒不妄註妄論。

既真崇、真學、真傳伍柳功法，則二真人傳世之著，即為祖經。二真人皆明戒「毋勞妄註」，必當謹遵；否則名為弘伍柳，陰實揚己名，私售旁學攫取名利，乃奸詐棍徒之手段。

（二）全力輯全二真人之著，刪除非二真人原著之文，訂正《伍柳仙宗》或各單行本中歷次刊印之誤。

　　正文末已示，二真人之著，於首次刊印時，在功法關鍵處，即有因刊印之誤漏。真得傳者，必可校勘刊誤，一一訂正，以繼二真人仙蹤，實現二真人普度真修者之宏願。若不能校出各版誤漏，輾轉照錄原誤，甚或更增已誤，必是未得法者。又《伍柳仙宗》，既未輯全二真人傳世內丹之著，又有後人妄增紫陽、潛虛、三豐、涵虛四真人之文於《慧命經》中，又不加說明，應予刪去，以復原著全貌。（《伍柳仙宗》已示三成全法，何勞再輯四真人之文。）故重刊《伍柳仙宗全輯》，當是真崇、真學、真傳伍柳功法者義不容辭的責任。托名伍柳傳人者，豈可不致力於此弘傳祖經，普渡真修的神聖天職，而以攫取個人名利為務？

（三）正法擇徒只憑德行根基，不論親疏。

　　仙佛正法衣缽，非財產、非世法小技、非謀生小術，可私傳子孫。必擇有德有根基因緣者，始能傳承。故世尊傳禪宗正法時，擇知悟「拈花微笑」之苦行頭陀迦葉為初祖，而不選尚為色塵所困之堂弟阿難。中國禪宗五祖弘忍大師不傳衣缽於素得親信之首座神秀，獨傳目不識丁，舂米侍者慧能大師，蓋因六祖慧根深厚。李虛庵老祖、曹還陽老祖皆有子後，始得真傳，卻皆傳衣缽於有德有根基者。李傳曹，曹傳伍，皆未傳承於親子。又伍祖傳衣缽於朱太和（朱先本是守虛真人之徒，根基德行可受天仙衣缽正傳，故得伍祖衣缽。朱因避清朝初期搜滅亡明宗室之禍，密修密傳衣缽，而不為世人所知）而並未傳衣缽於堂弟太初，堂侄太一。（伍真人雖遵母命成婚，未聞有子。）柳真人自幼為僧，更無子嗣，亦未傳法於堂弟道寬，勇水庵方丈原明大和尚，卻度有不少外姓弟子，柳師既無組派之念，自無衣缽之傳。奉勸世之托庇姓伍姓柳者，不必以姓氏為騙人手段，欺世盜名，妄稱得有祖傳、單傳、秘傳。何必作此陷先祖於不義，坑真修於旁門的喪德劣行！

 

（四）天仙功法悉皆靜虛之功

　　伍柳所傳天仙正功，必宗靜虛總則，初成法就是築基功，入手法就是初成法中第一層第一步的孕藥煉己之功，皆以靜虛為正功。絕無矯揉造作，編排各種動作之旁門小法，妄稱不傳秘法。

 

 

This article tell the truth.

 

It said some people make up fake methods to cheat people for getting money.

[awaken]

This is so simple that people is hard to believe.

 

People would like to pay a lot of money to buy a fake dream and think that let chi go circle around body is to become a Shen Xiang.

 

 

The most important is 玄關.

 

Wu Liu pai has many big mistakes .

 

But if you do not know what is 玄關，it is impossible for you to understand what is wrong about wu Liu.

 

 

If you open 玄關 and practice in 玄關 every day.

 

It will be easy for me too tell you what is wrong about wu Liu.

 

If you do not know anything and just know how to make a circle, I really do not know how to let you truly understand the problems of wu Liu.

 

After I saw some replies, it is really .....how to say....

 

No way to let these people know, I forget these people.

 

I do not try to teach everyone, that is impossible.

 

Too waste time.

 

Maybe one is enough to me.

 

After all my English is too bad.

Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[awaken]

http://qq-international.soft32.com

 

This qq app can be download here.

 

Or you can use keywords "qq international" to look for it.

 

If you want to practice with me for a long time, please join my qq group.

 

 

The dao bums

513532775

Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[Cheshire Cat]

[...]

 

Sitting or standing are both ok.

 

You just let your focus go back to your body and relax.

 

The chi will lead you where it should be.

 

What you do is trust, watch ,and wait.

 

Is 立禅 (Zhan zhuang) the basic of your method?

[awaken]

Is 立禅 (Zhan zhuang) the basic of your method?

No Edited December 8, 2016 by awaken

[dawei]

Thread re-opened with a Split and Pit...    

[rene]

There is the Systems and Teachers of section at TDB.

Why does your link go to khokhov's profile?

 

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quote name="rainbowvein" post="723607" timestamp="1481212177"]

There is the [url=[ url="http://www.thedaobums.com/user/113415-aakhokhlov/%22%5DSystems] http://www.thedaobums.com/user/113415-aakhokhlov/"]Systems[ /url] and Teachers of[ /url] section at TDB.[ /quote]

 

Edit to show coding

Edited December 9, 2016 by rene

[alchemist]

And it will open the most important entrance - 玄關一竅

So if you opened it, could you please tell us where is it located?

[Kodoninja]

Awaken, what is the "Golden Light"??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

Edited December 16, 2016 by Kodoninja

[effilang]

So if you opened it, could you please tell us where is it located?

Trick question...

[Taoist Texts]

Trick question...

[YiYinYiYang]

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Edited August 12, 2017 by YiYinYiYang

[YiYinYiYang]

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Edited August 12, 2017 by YiYinYiYang