How to cultivate without methods

[awaken]

Some people pay a lot of money to learn a breath method to make chi go small circle.

 

If the circle is helpful , it is ok.

 

But the people use the methods to focus on the lower belly is a big control.

 

And too much controlling hurts mind.

 

These people's mind are used to control, but not to relax.

 

Though they have made a lot of chi, they do not get the inside piece.

 

Some people's mind even twisted to used to attack others, just for their belief is doubted.

 

It is very dangerous to learn these methods.

 

It will not make you a cultivator , but a controller.

 

 

 

The most important concepts in dan dao is 鬆靜自然relax, calm, nature.

 

Controlling chi to make it go small circle is against the rules.

 

小周天must be happen by itself, not by some skills.

 

If you use some methods to make the circle, it is very difficult to go to next stage --- open 玄關一竅

 

玄關一竅is the most important part of dan dao.

 

Without 玄關一竅, you are not a dan dao cultivator.

 

You are just a Qi-gung practicer.

 

Every dan dao cultivator should know 玄關一竅 is the main part to practice in dan dao.

 

 

 

How to open 玄關一竅 is the most important part in cultivating.

 

Is the 小周天 skill the only method to open 玄關一竅？

 

Of course not.

 

Except 小周天 method, how to open 玄關一竅？

 

That is why I come here.

 

Wu Wei is the best way to open 玄關一竅.

 

Wu Wei is always the main role in dan dao from the very ancient china.

 

Wu Wei is not my personal real dao.

 

It belongs to all human.

 

It comes from the ancient china and last for thousands of years.

 

 

 

I hope people here can go back the original way of dan dao.

 

There are so many good classics that I hope you all can read.

 

There is a big way that I hope you can see.

 

I follow the trace of these ancient cultivators.

 

I hope you can follow them, too.

 

 

Ps.

 

If you are not friendly, I will do as the forum manager said, ignore you.

 

 

To be continued....(I hope so if not disturbed by someone)

Edited December 9, 2016 by awaken

[awaken]

Many people ask me what is 玄關.

 

Let's see what huang uan jii said.

 

 

道可道，非常道；名可名，非常名。無名，天地之始；有名，萬物之母。故常無慾，以觀其妙；常有欲，以觀其竅。此兩者同出而異名，同謂之玄，玄之又玄，眾妙之門。

朱子云：「道，猶路也，」「人之所共由者也。」其實生天生地生人生物公共之理，故謂之道。天地未判以前，此道懸於太空；天地既辟而後，此道寄諸天壤。是道也，何道也？先天地而長存，後天地而不敝；生於天地之先，混於虛無之內，無可見亦無可聞。故太上曰：以言夫道，費而且隱，實無可道，所可道者，皆道之發見耳，非真常之道也；以言夫名，虛而無物，實無可名，所可名者，皆道之糟粕耳，非真常之名也。人不知道，盍觀之《詩》乎？曰：「上天之載，無聲無臭」，道不可有言矣。又曰：「維天之命，於穆不已」，道不可無稱矣。須知至無之內有至有者存，至虛之中有至實者在，道真不可以方所言也。太上慈悲度世，廣為說法曰：鴻濛未兆之先，原是渾渾淪淪，絕無半點形象，雖曰無名，而天地人物鹹育個中，此所以為天地之始也。及其靜之既久，氣機一動，則有可名，而氤氤氳氳一段太和元氣，流行宇宙，養育群生，此所以為萬物之母也。始者，天地未開之前，一團元氣在抱是也；母者，天地既辟而後，一氣化生萬物是也。學人下手之初，別無他術，惟有一心端坐，萬念悉捐，垂簾觀照心之下腎之上彷彿有個虛無窟子，神神相照，息息常歸，任其一往一來，但以神氣兩者凝注中宮為主。不頃刻間，神氣打成一片矣。於是聽其混混沌沌，不起一明覺心，久之恍恍惚惚，入於無何有之鄉焉。斯時也，不知神之入氣、氣之歸神，渾然一無人無我、何地何天景象，而又非昏聵也，若使昏聵，適成枯木死灰。修士於此，當滅動心，莫滅照心，惟是智而若愚，慧而不用。於無知無覺之際，忽然一覺而動，即太極開基。須知此一覺中，自自然然，不由感附，才是我本來真覺。道家謂之玄關妙竅，只在一呼一吸之間。其吸而入也，則為陰為靜為無，其呼而出也，則為陽為動為有，即此一息之微亦有妙竅。人欲修成正覺，惟此一覺而動之時，有個實實在在、的的確確、無念慮、無渣滓一個本來人在。故曰：天地有此一覺而生萬物，人有此一覺而結金丹。但此一覺猶如電光石火，當前則是，轉眼即非，所爭只毫釐間耳。學者務於平時審得清，臨機方把得住。古來大覺如來亦無非此一覺積累而成也。修士興工，不從無慾有欲、觀妙觀竅下手，又從何處以為本乎？雖然，無與有、妙與竅，無非陰靜陽動、一氣判為二氣、二氣仍歸一氣而已矣。以其靜久而動，無中生有，名為一陽生、活子時；以其動極復靜，有又還無，名曰覆命歸根。要皆一太極所判之陰陽也，兩者名雖有異，而實同出一源，太上謂之玄。玄者，深遠之謂也。學者欲得玄道，必靜之又靜，定而又定，其中渾無物事，是為無慾觀妙，此一玄也。及氣機一動，雖有知卻不生一知見，雖有動卻不存一動想，有一心，無二念，是為有欲觀竅，此又一玄也。至於玄之又玄，實為歸根之所，非眾妙之門而何？所惜者，凡人有此妙竅，不知直養，是以旋開旋閉，不至耗盡而不已。至人於玄關竅開時，一眼覷定，一手拿定，操存涵養，不使須臾或離，所以直造無上根源，而成大覺金仙。

下手工夫在玄關一竅。太上首章即將無名有名、觀妙觀竅指出，足見修道之要，除此一個玄關竅，余無可進步也。故開首四句說大道根源實屬無形無狀，不可思議窮究。惟天地未開之初，混混沌沌，無可端倪，即如人致養於靜時也。天地忽辟之際，靜極而動，一覺而醒，即人偵氣於動，為煉丹之始基。第此倏忽之間，非有智珠慧劍，不能得也。要之，念頭起處為玄牝，實為開天闢地、生人育物之端，自古神仙無不由此一覺而動之機造成。又曰無慾觀妙、有欲觀竅，兩者一靜一動，互為其根，故同出而異名。凡有形象者可得而思量度卜，若此妙竅，無而有，有而無，實不可以方所名狀，縱舌如懸河，亦不能道其一字，所以謂之玄玄。學者亦不得視為杳冥，毫不窮究一個實際下落。果於此尋出的的確確處，在人視為恍惚，在我實有把憑，久之著手生春，頭頭是道矣。

 

 

If someone can find the English version, I will be thankful.

 

To be continued....

[Wu Ming Jen]

The key words use physical words of substance to describe in has if shape. 

 

Dan Dao is translated as the knife or broad sword in english.  

 

A student not native to chinese asked one of the monks on the mountain about Dan Dao and was instantly shown a knife form, just kind of funny.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Wu Ming Jen

[Wu Ming Jen]

Ignore that post i can not delete it and why are words missing and out of place????

[awaken]

The key words use physical words of substance to describe in has if shape. 

 

Dan Dao is translated as the knife or broad sword in english.  

 

A student not native to chinese asked one of the monks on the mountain about Dan Dao and was instantly shown a knife form, just kind of funny.

Your English is too difficult for me to understand.

 

Can you use easier English?

[awaken]

學人下手之初(when learner start to cultivate)，別無他術(there is no other way)，惟有一心端坐(but sit by one mind)，萬念悉捐(give up tones of thoughts)，垂簾觀照心之下腎之上彷彿有個虛無窟子(watch in an empty hole between heart and kidney)，神神相照(.....)，息息常歸(every breathe is back)，任其一往一來(let it go and back)，但以神氣兩者凝注中宮為主(but the main part is let Shen and chi go into the middle place)。不頃刻間(soon)，神氣打成一片矣( Shen and chi are mixed)。於是聽其混混沌沌(and then listen to its Hun-tun)，不起一明覺心( without any ego Shen)，久之恍恍惚惚( after a long time, it will go into huan-hu -- between sleep and wake, half sleep and help wake)，入於無何有之鄉焉( go into the place that has nothing)。斯時也( at that time)，不知神之入氣、氣之歸神，渾然一無人無我、何地何天景象，而又非昏聵也，若使昏聵，適成枯木死灰。修士於此，當滅動心，莫滅照心，惟是智而若愚，慧而不用。於無知無覺之際，忽然一覺而動，即太極開基。須知此一覺中，自自然然，不由感附，才是我本來真覺。道家謂之玄關妙竅，只在一呼一吸之間。

 

 

 

(I try to use my poor English to translate, but I need a lot of time)

 

 

 

 

If you are a beginner and you want to start cultivating with sitting, you can start from this.

 

This is the key point .

 

Even if Huang said this is for beginner, but it is still hard for someone to start it.

 

To be continued...

Edited December 10, 2016 by awaken

[awaken]

Dan dao is for practicing by your body and mind, not by your brain.

 

I saw someone in the forum who seems like knowing a lot, but actually nothing.

 

He can say many thing about some schools, what is the different, but he can not see the key point.

 

People may feel confused and do not know why there are so many schools.

 

In dan dao, only one school.

 

If in your eyes see so many different school, that is because you did not practice enough to know the core.

 

I feel very uncomfortable, too.

 

But not from my feeling, from his words.

 

A cultivation should not have so much emotions.

 

If he knows the core, he will not so easy to be influenced.

 

Dan dao is not philosophy to let you analyze what is different.

 

Dan dao is not a belief or religion.

 

Dan dao is a way you need to go by your self.

 

I saw many people analyze dan dao and become a dan dao speaker.

 

It seems that they know a lot of dan dao.

 

They wrote a lot of articles to show what they know a lot.

 

But what they said is very easy to find serious problems.

 

The biggest problem is dan dao is for practicing, not for talking.

 

 

Not only some dan dao practicers have this problem, but also Buddhism believers have the same situation.

 

There are so many mistakes that people are easy to make.

 

Not just philosophy chaser, there are many mistakes in cultivation.

 

We can see the point in Chang bou dun's preface, but also in Buddhist sutras.

 

To let our mind in a right direction is the most difficult part in cultivation.

 

If our mind is not in a right direction, it is impossible for us to open the middle dan tain.

 

We called it 煉心 in Chinese.

 

This is a very very important in dan dao.

 

You can say that it is the most important.

 

Our ego is very craftiness.

 

To see our real thoughts is not easy.

 

But if you do not focus on watching yourself, just focus on the methods and become a tracer of your great teacher, your mind go out 外求

 

外求 will make you keep the dao far away.

 

內求，內照，回光，is the basis of dan dao.

 

All the classics have the same concept.

 

That is why I emphasize again and again that controlling is the worst thing in dao.

 

The dao is the object that you need to show your loyalty， not schools.

 

You need to face your inside and see your true face.

 

You , the one who wants to achieve dan dao, is the most important, absolutely not your teacher or school.

 

Of course, we should be thankful to everyone who have reached us.

 

But losing our true mind, just for defending the school will make you feel save.

 

You may feel you are in a big group, you are very safe.

 

But you should know all the achiever is lonely.

 

When the day comes , no one can go with you, not even your school or your teacher.

 

 

Chang bou Duan's free face of wu gen pian is below.

 

Chinese sorry

 

嗟夫，人身難得，光景易遷，罔測修短，安逃業報。不自及早省悟，惟只甘分待終，若臨歧一念有差，墮三途惡趣，則動經塵劫，無有出期。當此之時，雖悔何及。故老釋以性命學，開方便門，教人修種，以逃生死。釋氏以空寂爲宗，若頓悟圓通，則直超彼岸。如有習漏未盡，則尚徇於有生。老氏以煉養爲真，若得其要樞，則立躋聖位；如其未明本性，則猶滯於幻形。其次，《周易》有窮理盡性至命之辭，《魯語》有é毋意、必、固、我û之說，此又仲尼極臻乎性命之奧也。然其言之常略而不至於詳者何也？蓋欲序正人倫，施仁義禮樂之教，故于無爲之道，未嘗顯言，但以命術寓諸易象，性法混諸微言耳。至於莊子推窮物累逍遙之性，孟子善養浩然之氣，皆切幾之。迨夫漢魏伯陽，引易道交媾之體，作《參同契》，以明大丹作用。唐忠國師，於語錄首敘老莊言，以顯至道之本末如此。豈非教雖分三，道乃歸一。奈何後世黃緇之流，各自專門，互相非是，致使三家宗要，迷沒邪歧，不能混一而同歸矣！

 

且今人以道門尚于修命，而不知修命之法，理出兩端：有易遇而難成著，有難遇而易成者。如煉五芽之氣，服七耀之光，注想按摩，納清吐濁；念經持咒，巽水叱符；叩齒集神，休妻絕粒；存神閉息，運眉間之思；補腦還精，習房中之術，以至服煉金石草木之類，皆易遇而難成者。以上諸法，于修身之道，率多滅裂，故施力雖多而求效莫驗。若勤心苦志，日夕修持，止可以辟病，免其非橫。一旦不行，則前功漸棄。此乃遷延歲月，事必難成。欲望一得永得，還嬰返老，變化飛升，不亦難乎？深可痛傷。蓋近世修行之徒，妄有執著，不悟妙法之真，卻怨神仙謾語。殊不知成道者，皆因煉金丹而得，恐泄天機，遂托數事爲名。其中惟閉息一法，如能忘機絕慮，即與二乘坐禪頗同。若勤而行之，可以入定出神。奈何精神屬陰，宅舍難固，不免長用遷徙之法，既未得金汞返還之道，又豈能回陽換骨，白日而升天哉？

 

 

 

The key point 道乃歸一

 

The the different ways come to one way.

 

 

If you are interested in wu Wei dan dao, please find me by qq.

 

The dao bums

513532775

 

http://qq-international.soft32.com

Edited December 9, 2016 by awaken

[Wu Ming Jen]

Your English is too difficult for me to understand.

 

Can you use easier English?

The key words of alchemy use a physical substance to describe that which has no shape.

 

Dan Dao means broad sword in English.

 

What is your school ?

 

Is Dan Dao the name of your system?

 

With your experience of 27 years you would be my younger kung fu sister.

 

The internet is not a place for any rank or transmission of knowledge. Great for casual conversation but not a format for professionals, IMO.

[Andrei]

Dan Dao means broad sword in English.

 

It should be spelled Da Dao and means the Big Path, the Right Way.

 

She is Right, there is only one Big Path but each person have a different path (Way).

 

This is Da Dao

[Wu Ming Jen]

Thanks for the clarification. I agree with her post for the most part as I have similar training as in not getting hung up with physical locations of energy, too much focus on breath stagnates energy and many other points. This is why I would like to have conversation with her and her practice.

 

I have asked before what school, linage, teacher

 

I  will be happy to answer the same question.

[gatito]

That would be an interesting conversation.

[Wu Ming Jen]

We may not have much to talk about but enjoy the moment happy and content. 

 

I made several attempts to engage in conversation just out of curiosity.

 

I am glad awaken has arrived I actually read through pages of a topic. 

 

So respond or do not respond makes no difference. 

 

I am using my easy English. Good night moon.

[awaken]

The key words of alchemy use a physical substance to describe that which has no shape.

 

Dan Dao means broad sword in English.

 

What is your school ?

 

Is Dan Dao the name of your system?

 

With your experience of 27 years you would be my younger kung fu sister.

 

The internet is not a place for any rank or transmission of knowledge. Great for casual conversation but not a format for professionals, IMO.

Some of your questions are too personal and not suitable to answer in the forum after I found some people are not friendly here.

 

If you want to know the detail about me.

 

Please come to my qq group.

[awaken]

It should be spelled Da Dao and means the Big Path, the Right Way.

 

She is Right, there is only one Big Path but each person have a different path (Way).

 

This is Da Dao

Very good.

 

It is.

[gatito]

Some of your questions are too personal and not suitable to answer in the forum after I found some people are not friendly here.

 

If you want to know the detail about me.

 

Please come to my qq group.

 

Wise move, I think.

[dawei]

Wise move, I think.

 

So you joined her QQ group ?  

 

I've been on QQ for many years...  I seriously doubt most westerners even know of it...  lets see how wise others move to the technology

[gatito]

No.

[gatito]

awaken's move was wise, I think.

 

[dawei]

awaken's move was wise, I think.

 

 

but she has been there on this QQ for quite a while....  there is no MOVE for her.

[gatito]

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-thesaurus/move

 

[gatito]

Think of it as an MCQ if that helps.

[dawei]

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-thesaurus/move

 

 

transfer • The person can be transferred from wheelchair to seat with relative ease.

change

carry • He carried the plate through to the dining room.

transport • There's no petrol so it's difficult to transport goods.

switch • I'm switching to a new gas supplier.

[gatito]

Your getting warmer dawei.

 

What do you think that awaken is transferring?

[gatito]

Here's a clue:

Teaching venue.

 

[dawei]

Here's a clue:

Teaching venue.

 

 

So you know how to connect to her QQ group ?  and I'll see you there, right?