Gender roles: traditional view of men and women interaction in life and practice

[gendao]

The khoisan bushmen were pretty close. There was some fudging energy-wise because they had a trunk of ancestral energy to work with, though.

And yet the Khoisan women have typically deserted their more "egalitarian" men in favor of invading Bantu "bad boys" - which is one reason why such "pro-woman" tribes eventually die out.  Due to female sexual deselection.

"Our analyses indicate that the best explanation for our findings is that the Bantu-speaking immigrants married resident Khoisan women when they first came to southern Africa, thus incorporating these divergent lineages into their maternal genepool. The Khoisan peoples with whom they came into contact probably disappeared later on, since we do not find these divergent Khoisan lineages in any of the known Khoisan peoples,"

Essentially, the Bantus (and then Europeans) came in and took "their" land AND women!

And so it goes - just ask the Native Americans too...

About their happy Disney ending!

Edited January 5, 2017 by gendao

[awaken]

I noticed more men than women here.

 

Why?

[Taoist Texts]

I noticed more men than women here. Why?

 

women have a life

[Spotless]

No, aspect man-women is purely biological. All talk with yin and yang and stuff like this is unrealistic in the world we are living. Girls like to chase dreams but this kind of spiritual stories are just to get laid. Men creates them just to get laid - remember that. The body is only to eat, shit, procreate and die - that's all. The whole other dimension which is non physical is much different, you still talking about taji and mentality of taji but it does not matter. Practice qigong with your partner and you will be having good sex and healthy life but it's still just enhancement for basic biology, not neidan. Your energy and mind (xing-ming) needs go beyond the physical and shi shen - then you start real cultivation which will last over lifetimes. .

Such a Christian view!

 

You know little of the body and of Qi Gong and other practices. It would appear your experiences are quite base and or from trance.

This idea that the physical is to be transcended and that it is little more than an animated puddle of goop - it is within the "physical" that true transcendence takes place - it is hyper physical/inclusive.

 

Some of what you touch on in other postings here is more true than most are aware. Gender roles are highly impreseed upon us from our physical heritage / biology and far less a societal offspring than we imagine. Male and female inclinations are largely not taught but are quite clearly inborn nature.

 

Women cannot help but assess men in terms of strength and certainty - we all have sensory apparatus that we are not aware of - we each scan others in our own way and do not for the most part "make decisions" based on them but have reactions based on them - within seconds/mili-seconds.

 

Men - what might be termed "real men" scan for a "ripe fruit" of two types - one that is easy and preferably experienced and one that would bear ones children.

And in both cases they would in a sense like to cage them to some extent and be done with the need to "get.

 

Men often completely lose their minds in their first 10 or so years as a sexual adult to their sexual drives and women often lose their minds to the drive for family between 19 and 35. Men will often be attracted to anything approximating a green light and women any man that has that abruptness and certainty of maleness.

 

Most of the pink and blue stereotypes of women and men are in fact true.

[Kara_mia]

No, aspect man-women is purely biological. All talk with yin and yang and stuff like this is unrealistic in the world we are living. Girls like to chase dreams but this kind of spiritual stories are just to get laid. Men creates them just to get laid - remember that. The body is only to eat, shit, procreate and die - that's all. The whole other dimension which is non physical is much different, you still talking about taji and mentality of taji but it does not matter. Practice qigong with your partner and you will be having good sex and healthy life but it's still just enhancement for basic biology, not neidan. Your energy and mind (xing-ming) needs go beyond the physical and shi shen - then you start real cultivation which will last over lifetimes.

 

It's not hard to understand but for women is very hard to put down attachment to the emotions.

 

I partly agree with you. it is biological but not only biological. The spiritual part also exists, although not every relationship has a spiritual aspect. Many relationships nowadays are purely based on sexual attraction only.

 

However, my argument above was more about a female behaviour which does not contradict your point of view about biological aspect. Moreover, I even argued that a reason behind women's constant "habit" of testing their men is purely biological. Women test men often subconsciously to be sure he is an alpha man and not a pushover, which energetically can be translated that he has a high level of energy and sexual potency, i.e. 1) can provide healthy semen for her to conceive healthy babies, 2) can take care of her and their children.      

 

However, I beg to disagree with you - of course we are animals, but not purely and solely. And although that second part is weaker than the animal part in us, nonetheless it exists.

[SeekerOfHealing]

it is biological but not only biological. The spiritual part also exists

 

This is fallacy sorry to say but you taking biological aspects or psychological aspects as spiritual. No, there is no spiritual dynamics between sexes AT ALL. It's means you just playing with biology. There is no male/female when it comes to spiritual cultivation etc. those are all biological things and boundaries. Spiritual relationship as you suggesting are pointing out to certain boundaries in which supposedly dynamic should work but in spiritual cultivation there is no boundaries, there is no him, her etc. 

 

You just trying to make biology more spiritual which will create suffering more and more with time when life will start checking this idea to wake you up from such illusions. 

 

We are animals, you can not divide this is animal and this is not. The only thing difference about animals and us we are animals without set limitation from nature and that the only difference which is very big difference because you have possibility to transcend limitations. You are trying to make spiritual boundaries which is dangerous game. 

Edited January 9, 2017 by SeekerOfHealing

[Spotless]

This is fallacy sorry to say but you taking biological aspects or psychological aspects as spiritual. No, there is no spiritual dynamics between sexes AT ALL. It's means you just playing with biology. There is no male/female when it comes to spiritual cultivation etc. those are all biological things and boundaries. Spiritual relationship as you suggesting are pointing out to certain boundaries in which supposedly dynamic should work but in spiritual cultivation there is no boundaries, there is no him, her etc. 

 

You just trying to make biology more spiritual which will create suffering more and more with time when life will start checking this idea to wake you up from such illusions. 

 

We are animals, you can not divide this is animal and this is not. The only thing difference about animals and us we are animals without set limitation from nature and that the only difference which is very big difference because you have possibility to transcend limitations. You are trying to make spiritual boundaries which is dangerous game.

 

Yours is a fundamentalist view that the physical is not the spiritual.

[ilumairen]

I noticed more men than women here.

Why?

Sometimes there is little room alotted for the receptive.

 

In simple English, sometimes women's words and experience gets 'bulldozed' by wordy individuals who have not shared in such experience.

[SeekerOfHealing]

Physical is not spiritual simple because physical have boundaries - spiritual not. 

 

How physical can be spiritual then?

[ilumairen]

No, there is no spiritual dynamics between sexes AT ALL.

 

In your experience.

[SeekerOfHealing]

No, experience of every person is the same on spiritual path but their expression can differ depends on taji condition and wisdom/understanding.

 

Sex and relationship is seeking limitation around something related to the physical, nothing spiritual in it. Spiritual is opposite, you run from limited or understand limited nature and recognize unlimited. 

[Kara_mia]

Physical is not spiritual simple because physical have boundaries - spiritual not. 

 

How physical can be spiritual then?

 

 

No, experience of every person is the same on spiritual path but their expression can differ depends on taji condition and wisdom/understanding.

 

Sex and relationship is seeking limitation around something related to the physical, nothing spiritual in it. Spiritual is opposite, you run from limited or understand limited nature and recognize unlimited. 

 

Hi there! I believe, that is a misleading perception that is widespread in the West. This is related to denial of yin. Sex and relationship are physical, and also a foundation for spiritual. Spiritual is to be built on physical. Physical is the source for spiritual.

[Stosh]

Physical is not spiritual simple because physical have boundaries - spiritual not. 

 

How physical can be spiritual then?

Since this ends as a question , I hope its ok to challenge it., since I've been thinking about this subject lately. 

 

If the spiritual , is not the physical ,then the boundary of the spiritual , is the physical manifestation of what exists. 

So the spiritual is a bounded subset of the whole of what exists ,just as the mental is.

 

This is in accord with the idea of the universe as a monist entity, and its in accord with the idea of polemic yin and yang model of its operation. The polemic exists,  as mental abstractions regarding the monist universe, but the stars do not recognize space to be cold , since are not indulging in this polemic mental division , (having no brain which we are aware of.)   

 

'Everything which does exist , exists' ,  logically , is a tautology. That means its inherently accurate within the scope of its own claim, and one can only refuse it from an an angle which is illogical. Similarly one cannot logically argue that the spiritual or physical are unbounded yet somehow -not united. 

 

A person is the creator of the yin yang polemic view , and may source what it is they value in either the physical material manifestations of what exists , Or they may source what they most highly value in the mental inventions made possible by physical brains. Any of these views can be judged correct , incorrect , partially correct , but all these are mental fabrications describing mental models of a universe which actually exists as an 'entirety'.