How to recognize the wrong dan dao?

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Hello, Ilya.

The Teacher of Single Yang (Patriarch of WuLiupai School) has very clear position about practicing MCO in alchemy and in qigong.

It's a GREAT difference.

Here are the key points about that:

 

Please refer to the full article:

http://all-dao.com/difference-qigong-alchemy.html

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Best Regards,

Arkady

 

So you mean that alchemy deals with another substance, different from qi, is it?

I've heard about it but mostly took it as some difference like qi-prana etc.

[Taoist Texts]

 

So Chang bou doub and Lu don bin told us what the wrong dan dao are.

 

The wrong dan dao schools has a common point. -- they 修命不修性

 

 

Exactly. They always say 'only we have a secret ming method'. 

[mvingon]

Good! This isn't a personal question. I'm just very new to Tao/Dao. I've read various translations of the ddc/ttc but that's about it.

 

If you choose to explain a bit about the five stars here, that's fine with me. Wherever you're most comfortable.

 

Thank you.

[awaken]

Thanks for the reply, awaken, but I'm confused I didn't get what you mentioned - the terminology is a bit unclear for me.

All I did is tried to make a simple qi circle.

If you have read all my posts, you will be more clear about it.

[awaken]

Good! This isn't a personal question. I'm just very new to Tao/Dao. I've read various translations of the ddc/ttc but that's about it.

If you choose to explain a bit about the five stars here, that's fine with me. Wherever you're most comfortable.

Thank you.

Five stars is not important.

 

It is a wrong methods.

 

Some teachers teach students to take the chi from son, moon , stars.

 

That is not dan dao.

 

So I say it is the wrong dan dao.

 

It is good for health , but not dan dao.

Edited December 19, 2016 by awaken

[mvingon]

Okay. I'll read about it later, then. I do appreciate your patience. Thanks again.

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If you have read all my posts, you will be more clear about it.

You have a lot of posts. But I'll try to find some rational for it, thank you.

Rgrds, Ilya

[awaken]

Okay. I'll read about it later, then. I do appreciate your patience. Thanks again.

You are welcome.

 

Hope you can practice wu Wei dan dao with me for a long time.

[awaken]

You have a lot of posts. But I'll try to find some rational for it, thank you.

Rgrds, Ilya

http://www.thedaobums.com/forum/487-awaken/

 

Did you see these posts?

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You are welcome.

 

Hope you can practice wu Wei dan dao with me for a long time.

Thanks! What is the expected effect/result in practicing wu Way dan dao? Health, long life, clear mind, immortality?

Rgrds, Ilya

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http://www.thedaobums.com/forum/487-awaken/

 

Did you see these posts?

Yes, I see, this will take time to read )).

[awaken]

Thanks! What is the expected effect/result in practicing wu Way dan dao? Health, long life, clear mind, immortality?

Rgrds, Ilya

The same as dan dao - golden dan

 

一 不求大道出迷途，縱負賢才豈丈夫？百歲光陰石火爍，一生身世水泡浮。只貪利祿求榮顯，不顧形容暗瘁枯。試問堆金等山嶽，無常買得不來無？

二 人生雖有百年期，壽夭窮通莫預知。昨日街頭猶走馬，今朝棺內已眠屍。妻財抛下非君有，罪業將行難自期。大藥不求爭得遇？遇之不煉是愚癡。

三 學仙須是學天仙，惟有金丹最的端。二物會時性情合，五行全處龍虎蟠。本因戊己爲媒娉，遂使夫妻鎮合歡。只候功成朝北闕，九霞光裏駕翔鸞。

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The same as dan dao - golden dan

 

一 不求大道出迷途，縱負賢才豈丈夫？百歲光陰石火爍，一生身世水泡浮。只貪利祿求榮顯，不顧形容暗瘁枯。試問堆金等山嶽，無常買得不來無？

二 人生雖有百年期，壽夭窮通莫預知。昨日街頭猶走馬，今朝棺內已眠屍。妻財抛下非君有，罪業將行難自期。大藥不求爭得遇？遇之不煉是愚癡。

三 學仙須是學天仙，惟有金丹最的端。二物會時性情合，五行全處龍虎蟠。本因戊己爲媒娉，遂使夫妻鎮合歡。只候功成朝北闕，九霞光裏駕翔鸞。

Sorry, unfortunately I can't get chineese...

[awaken]

Sorry, unfortunately I can't get chineese...

You can find English version

 

Wu gen pian

[awaken]

聚氣為丹，如何得停留？

 

Gather the chi to come a dan

 

How can it stay?

 

It means the post-heaven chi can not be gathered to become a golden dan.

 

A golden dan is produced by the emptiness.

 

Not by chi.

 

The post-heaven chi is used to clean our body to open the middle yellow(same as middle Mai.)

 

But some schools gather the chi in the ren-du.

 

So Lu don bin said it is not right.

[awaken]

存神閉息

 

Stay Shen

Close breathe

 

Is the same as

 

意守 胎息

 

Yii stay

fetus breathe

 

 

其中惟閉息一法，如能忘機絕慮，即與二乘坐禪頗同。若勤而行之，可以入定出神。奈何精神屬陰，宅舍難固，不免長用遷徙之法，既未得金汞返還之道，又豈能回陽換骨，白日而升天哉？

 

遷徙之法，the methods of moving chi

 

The part is very important.

 

This is the evidence thar change doesn't agree people use methods to move chi, for example Mco.

 

That is why we can not see Mco in Chang's poems.

 

The way use methods to move chi like Mco will keep the ego-Shen working.

 

Ego-Shen belongs to Ying.

 

So this way -- Mco , can not achieve golden dan.

 

Mco is a process of cultivate.

 

It should not be a method.

 

 

 

Mco is the biggest mistake of dan dao.

 

So Chang use the most words to talk about it.

Edited December 19, 2016 by awaken

[mvingon]

You are welcome.

Hope you can practice wu Wei dan dao with me for a long time.

Me too, my friend. We'll see what the heavens align for us!

[Ormus]

I think that Aweken is trying to say us that her method is Wu Wei and not You Wei.

 

So this belongs to Higher Virtue and sudden realisation of Dao.

 

It is work of Xing Gong and when done it brings with it Ming Gong done of itslef.

 

 

Did I got it Awaken?

 

Ormus

[Arkady Shadursky]

Exactly. They always say 'only we have a secret ming method'. 

Yes, of course, if the School has the method to cultivate Ming, than they could keep silence about it or they could manifest it openly (about the fact of having such method). WuLiupai School doesn't conceal that fact.

 

And if some School doesn't have Ming method - it either peacefully practicing with the methods they have or keeps grievously sighing (being envy) and trying to present "finger pointing to the moon" as the real moon.

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Best Regards,

Arkady

[awaken]

Yes, of course, if the School has the method to cultivate Ming, than they could keep silence about it or they could manifest it openly (about the fact of having such method). WuLiupai School doesn't conceal that fact.

And if some School doesn't have Ming method - it either peacefully practicing with the methods they have or keeps grievously sighing (being envy) and trying to present "finger pointing to the moon" as the real moon.

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Best Regards,

Arkady

Every schools have a lot of Ming methods.

 

If you have learned a lot of Ming methods, you will know it.

 

Ming methods are very easy to be created.

 

If you really understand wu Wei, you can creat unlimited methods of Ming.

 

Ming methods are very easy to find.

 

But 性功xing gung is very hard to find.

 

Because it need a teacher who has opened the emptiness.

 

If the teacher didn't open the emptiness, he guide his students in blind way.

 

So Ming gung teachers are everywhere, but Xing gung teachers is very rare.

 

And dan dao need a teacher who is good at Ming and xing gung.

 

性命雙修 is the basic rule of dan dao.

 

A teacher only knows Ming gung can only be a Qi-gung teacher, but can not be a dan dao teacher.

[sillybearhappyhoneyeater]

Zhang Boduan is not talking about Neidan in that article, he is talking about "fu qi" and "cun si" which are breathing and visualization techniques respectively.   Anyone who wants to know about the difference between Fu Qi, Cun si, and Nei Dan should read "xiao dao zang" because it has sections dedicated to each ("zhu jia qi fa" for fu qi, "cun si bu" for visualization and jin dan for various external and internal elixir),  here is a link to a website with all of the documents from xiao dao zang

www.zggdwx.com/yunji.html

[awaken]

Wu gen pian talk about nai dan from start to end.

 

I don't know what version you read.

 

But I read Chinese original article.

 

It is very clear to me.

 

 

五四 藥逢氣類方成象，道在希夷合自然。一粒靈丹吞入腹，始知我命不由天。

五五 赫赤金丹一日成，古仙垂語實堪聽。若言九載三年者，總是推延欸日程。

五六 大藥修之有易難，也知由我亦由天。若非積行修陰德，動有群魔作障緣。

 

 

This is a wonderful and amazing dan dao classics.

 

If the people here can not find a good version.

 

Maybe I can try to use my poor English to give you an original face of Wu-gen-pian.

 

 

http://ctext.org/library.pl?if=gb&file=98830&by_collection=132&page=4

 

This is another dan dao classics written by Chang bou duan.

 

 

Of course , it talk about nei dan, too.

Edited December 20, 2016 by awaken

[Kara_mia]

Every schools have a lot of Ming methods.

If you have learned a lot of Ming methods, you will know it.

Ming methods are very easy to be created.

If you really understand wu Wei, you can creat unlimited methods of Ming.

Ming methods are very easy to find.

But 性功xing gung is very hard to find.

Because it need a teacher who has opened the emptiness.

If the teacher didn't open the emptiness, he guide his students in blind way.

So Ming gung teachers are everywhere, but Xing gung teachers is very rare.

And dan dao need a teacher who is good at Ming and xing gung.

性命雙修 is the basic rule of dan dao.

A teacher only knows Ming gung can only be a Qi-gung teacher, but can not be a dan dao teacher.

Dear Awaken,

 

From the above I am making a conclusion. You say that Ming gong teachers are everywhere. So perhaps you know quite a few of them. Could you please acquaint me or give me their (or at least his) contacts, so I can contact them directly. My husband and I have been looking to find a true Ming gong teacher for over 20 years to no avail. Genuine or not, all teachers we've met only knew how to work with Xing by means of meditation.

[Arkady Shadursky]

Every schools have a lot of Ming methods.

 

If you have learned a lot of Ming methods, you will know it.

 

Ming methods are very easy to be created.

 

If you really understand wu Wei, you can creat unlimited methods of Ming.

 

Ming methods are very easy to find.

 

But 性功xing gung is very hard to find.

 

Because it need a teacher who has opened the emptiness.

 

If the teacher didn't open the emptiness, he guide his students in blind way.

 

So Ming gung teachers are everywhere, but Xing gung teachers is very rare.

 

And dan dao need a teacher who is good at Ming and xing gung.

 

性命雙修 is the basic rule of dan dao.

 

A teacher only knows Ming gung can only be a Qi-gung teacher, but can not be a dan dao teacher.

 

Work with Ming = work with yuanqi. Do you claim that everyone knows how to work with yuanqi? 

 

Work with Xing = work with the heart. Do you claim that nobody knows how to work with the heart? (meditations, keeping quiet, lights etc.)

 

What is your point?

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Best Regards,

Arkady

[munky]

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Edited August 23, 2023 by munky