Ramble On

[C T]

Well I gave some Pagan values.

 

Heroism as one example compared to saviors as ideals

 

The hero is self reliant, those waiting/praying for salvation are beggars? basically, dependent, something governments desire.

 

The hero says he can change the world for better and does. Those waiting for salvation... well they wait for salvation.

 

And deeper expressions of the hero

 

"The Labors of Heracles are in essence, metaphor for the spiritual path that all beings must take to achieve enlightenment."  https://andthewordwasgod.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/the-12-labors-of-heracles/

 

 

then you have philosophy/reasoning/questioning compared to religion, requiring absolute belief, without question

 

 

A return to Europe is Idealist, not impossible though haha.

 

You are Irish CT, you know nothing of Irish mythology? Of Irish folklore? of Druids (remarked as the first philosophers, previous to Egypt and Greece, of Sacred Trees, Ogham, stone circles with astrological alignments?

 

If you like I can go further with this, now I must sleep though

 

 

 

 

Im not Irish, merely a blow-in from a distant shore, Sionnach. 

But i have a lot of respect for the old Irish ways. Have walked the ancient fields, hiked sacred hills,

circumambulated some of the holiest stone circles.

 

They are still alive till this day. I felt it very strongly at some of these sites. 

[Bubbles]

[347c] for they are not covetous of honor. So there must be imposed some compulsion and penalty to constrain them to rule if they are to consent to hold office. That is perhaps why to seek office oneself and not await compulsion is thought disgraceful. But the chief penalty is to be governed by someone worse¹ if a man will not himself hold office and rule. It is from fear of this, as it appears to me, that the better sort hold office when they do, and then they go to it not in the expectation of enjoyment nor as to a good thing,² but as to a necessary evil and because they are unable to turn it over to better men than themselves

 

Plato, Republic, Book 1, section 347c

 

That's what I thought.

The context is not the same: Socrates is talking about who should 'hold office and rule' which points to a very different reality than what happens in modern day politics.

The ideal ruler in Plato's thinking has nothing to do with any elected President: no love for money, no desire for power etc..

[Marblehead]

I should probably avoid off-topic.. haha

 

 

At least you are still able to think clearly.  That's good sign.

[Marblehead]

Christians slaughtered my ancient ancestors, burned down ancient libraries, destroyed art, architecture, sacred places, burned women at stakes, oppressed women, tortured people for not believing in their god, much like ISIS today? 

 

What do you want me to say?

 

It happened so long ago most people forget.

 

 

 

That sounds so much like the Black Americans still bitching because their great-great-great-grandfather was brought to America as a slave.  Remember, those who weren't sold as slaves were just killed back then.

[Bubbles]

That sounds so much like the Black Americans still bitching because their great-great-great-grandfather was brought to America as a slave.  Remember, those who weren't sold as slaves were just killed back then.

 

Yes, resentment is not very conducive to spirituality

[Aetherous]

It's not possible to be pagan anymore if you are born after christian domination.

 

It seems that there are remnants of the Pagan traditions, but they're hard to find. Does anyone know of an intact tradition?

[SeekerOfHealing]

None, there all are mixed with christian world view which is materialistic. The last pagans you may find in hindu lore maybe (but not all, many hindus think vishu, shiva and brahma are like son, holy spirit and god etc.) or some closed tribes which have not touch civilization yet. Rare happening indeed. 

 

All pagans traditions now imitate the west mostly so... all pagan reconstruction is just joke really, it's like flower but plastic one, no pagan spirit anymore. Folk traditions are only which you can have some spirit of paganism but this is not full fledged. 

[C T]

It seems that there are remnants of the Pagan traditions, but they're hard to find. Does anyone know of an intact tradition?

http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Pagan-Tribes-of-Borneo1.html

[Golden Dragon Shining]

That's what I thought.

The context is not the same: Socrates is talking about who should 'hold office and rule' which points to a very different reality than what happens in modern day politics.

The ideal ruler in Plato's thinking has nothing to do with any elected President: no love for money, no desire for power etc..

Basically the same thing, in a way people today can more readily access. The general meaning is in that sentence, made concise, translations etc. The full text is better. Yes, they were more toward philosopher kings, no love of money, or other things that compromise a lesser person. These people should be in power (who are inclined toward truth, wisdom, justice/ higher ideals, incorruptible)...should make some effort toward it in order to prevent corruption/ the rule of evil, as with the original quote. I think preventing evil/ corruption is incentive enough. When a good person would rather read books, garden, live a wholesome family life etc... I guess a lot of it is naivety, people not understanding evil/ corruption, believing say the government is really just doing the best they can, not serving ulterior financial or other motives against the best interests of the people etc ha. I was the same when younger, after years of study now I know evil exists in this world and we must be vigilant.

 

Even in.. everyday behaviors that most participate in, people think is normal, that I participated in due to ignorance is the consumption of animals, their enslavement etc, it is horrible once you see it for what it is.

 

We've really fallen far I think. The lord of yogis after his enlightenment, his stories, most are in stopping animal sacrifice and animal consumption. All the siddhis/ spiritual powers and this mans concern was stopping animal sacrifice and animal consumption. This is maybe a cause of greater evils.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Sionnach

[Golden Dragon Shining]

That sounds so much like the Black Americans still bitching because their great-great-great-grandfather was brought to America as a slave.  Remember, those who weren't sold as slaves were just killed back then.

It is part of history, the Irish were also enslaved in the Americas, little known. History has become far too narrow, with only a few stories on repeat pushing agendas of certain groups.

 

Again I am called Anti-Sem for not being devoted to Judeo-Christianity, so I gave a few reasons why. Apparently Native Americans love Christoper Columbus and his like, they've only positive things to say.

 

Guess I am a heretic hm?

 

I don't seek reparations, museums in every major city, playing eternal victim etc

 

It's history, I want to get on with things, I've a vision, wanting to create, I am not going to accept an alien ideology among my people, why should I. I want my people to find themselves again, renew themselves, ideally, to be the best we can be, without interference. For other people to have this also. Japanese governing Japanese affairs, South Americans etc. I don't see a need for all these special interests groups, only detrimental really. A recent example is Europe bowing to the demands of Islam say, trying to accommodate it... is insane, we've no obligation. Say funny in Sweden for example a Pakistani is called a "minority group" The population of Pakistan is 182.1 million (2013), the population of Sweden is 9.593 million (2013), who is the minority?  In truth Sweden should only care for itself, for it's own people. It's just silly cultural marxism has European nations brainwashed for the moment, things are changing.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Sionnach

[Golden Dragon Shining]

CT, you requested a historical example? Between European Paganism and Judeo-Christianity?

I will give an ancient example, their own admission... if I may?

This cultural subversion continues to this day, with other names. You will notice they won't capitalize Pagan either

 

 

The Sibyllines. Considering the chasm between the Jews and the pagans, it is remarkable with what zeal and cleverness the Hellenistic Jews sought under pagan masks to make propaganda for Judaism. They wrote works in the name of pagan authorities, and these stole their way into the circle of pagan readers. As forgeries of this kind were common in the Hellenistic period, no blame attached to any famous man for having committed them, and the Jews could not be expected to be superior to their time. The Sibylline Books are distinguished from all other works of this kind by their loftiness of purpose. It was their avowed object to reform paganism; while other contemporaneous works were merely intended to glorify the Jewish name; the former endeavored to act as Jewish missionaries, while the latter sought merely to make an impression. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7535-hellenism

 

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Preventing the continued cultural subversion, of all different peoples, trying to influence all other peoples to their own purposes. Is that ok?

Again off-topic, I guess part of the greater picture though.

When a group of people make it clear their aim is to subvert, control, destroy your culture it is best one starts paying attention.

Let's just forget history though right? I wonder who that suits?

Edited January 6, 2017 by Sionnach

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Christmas (Yule) and Easter are still mostly Pagan traditions, minus a few things. Puritan Christians had bans on these at one time for being Pagan/Heathen and "Satanic" haha

Here is an example of evil pagan satanic worship, these cultural subversives are good with distorting reality/ outright lies and accusing everyone else of being evil/wrong

Edited January 6, 2017 by Sionnach

[Golden Dragon Shining]

They wanted us to worship this instead

[Marblehead]

It is part of history, the Irish were also enslaved in the Americas, little known. History has become far too narrow, with only a few stories on repeat pushing agendas of certain groups.

 

 

Yep.  As were Greeks and peoples of many other cultures.  The Blacks were slaves, the others were indentured.  Same thing because the indentured could never get out of debt so basically they were slaves also.

[Marblehead]

When a group of people make it clear their aim is to subvert, control, destroy your culture it is best one starts paying attention.

 

Well, if you haven't heard Obama saying that to the people of the Middle East you haven't been listening.  He even denied the Israelis our support during the last UN BS against Israel.

 

Of course, the terrorists, those people our government has been helping, are no better.  An overt attempt to erase the history of many different cultures.

[Marblehead]

They wanted us to worship this instead

 

I passed on that.

[Golden Dragon Shining]

I am non interventionist generally, we've no business in the Middle East neither they in Europe, simple

Or the USA, should all be keeping to ourselves that would make things more peaceful.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Sionnach

[Marblehead]

Agree.  We here in the USA have enough problems of our own to deal with but they have been set aside so we can cause problems for other peoples.  Sad.

[Golden Dragon Shining]

back on track some

https://www.facebook.com/vidmaxmedia/videos/1421603461183819/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Video by James T Harris

[Marblehead]

Excellent video.  Nice to hear someone with balls speaking out against all the lies.

 

The double standards he is talking about started in the late 1960s and it is still going strong.  But we can't go back to the double standards that existed prior to that time either.  There needs to be some balance and harmony.

[Golden Dragon Shining]

ex män greps efter att en rullstolsbunden kvinna anmält att hon blivit våldtagen av en rad invandrare inne på en toalett i Visby. Men nu läggs förundersökningen ned, eftersom de inblandade personerna enligt åklagaren lämnat "oklara och i vissa fall motstridiga" uppgifter. http://www.friatider.se/utredning-l-ggs-ned-om-gruppv-ldt-kt-p-gotland

 

Translation

 

"Six men were arrested after a wheelchair-bound woman reported that she was raped by a number of immigrants inside a toilet in Visby. But now, put down the investigation, because the people involved according to the prosecutor left "unclear and in some cases conflicting" information."

 

Justice in Liberal Democracies

 

Very sad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2017 by Sionnach

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Leftist groups (communism is a capitalist system*) creating radical racially orientated revolutionary (communist (liberal/progressive/(false social justice)) organizations,

"refugees" come into Europe apparently straight from a war-zone, 90%+ men 20-30 years of age with lost passports but they've somehow managed to keep their iphones... reach the borders making demands and if refused instantly start calling people racist? Weaponized words, Pavlov's dog programming, When the word (FKING) RACIST or NAZI! are used you are suppose to bow down and start digging your own grave. Nobody else finds it odd that western governments (with people like George Soros in the shadows) destabilize the middle east displacing millions of people then open all Europe's borders? Giving $100s of millions++ to Islamic organizations? Supporting Islamic schools, places of worship, culture and other while suppressing the host nations? Nobody else sees whats going on?

USA Gov allowing millions of South Americans to cross the border then radicalizes them? Or "people of colour" (African, Asian, Arab etc) being organized into radical revolutionary communist groups?

What do you think the intention is?

*communism is a capitalist system, cattle live in a communist system, the farmer is the capitalist.

I have seen comments from Asians who have come to our countries saying "we work twice as hard for half the pay", they may work for half the pay, did you see the ears of CEOs/ Corps other capitalist orgs globally prick up when a group of people say, "twice as hard half the pay"? There is an account of a Rothschild walking through a Chinese factory saying Communist China is the perfect model, the workers wouldn't ever dare look him in the eyes. -- Also, if they work twice as hard for half the pay why do they leave their homelands, are they not prosperous? We are condemned, thought lesser of, yet many seem to want to live with us?

Here is your equality,



"WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE"



  Edited January 14, 2017 by Sionnach

[C T]

Its obvious that some sort of sinister movement is taking place in Europe, auguring for change that will likely lead to mass destabilisation and if not, at least to mass nervousness due to the sheer momentum that can be felt but cannot be seen nor corrective measures securely implemented. Its too early to say with conviction which sector is directly responsible for this because the motive has yet to be clearly established. The puzzle seems to have pieces hidden in plain sight. 

[Brian]

Its obvious that some sort of sinister movement is taking place in Europe, auguring for change that will likely lead to mass destabilisation and if not, at least to mass nervousness due to the sheer momentum that can be felt but cannot be seen nor corrective measures securely implemented. Its too early to say with conviction which sector is directly responsible for this because the motive has yet to be clearly established. The puzzle seems to have pieces hidden in plain sight.

The motive is clear but there are several subgroups being leveraged through the exploitation of their individual objectives. This partially veils the broader shared objective which the constituent players themselves generally don't recognise. Same thing has played out many times before, including a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

 

The socialists want to collapse Western society and replace it with a global Marxist utopia. The mujahideen want to crush Western society and replace it with a global caliphate. The bomb-throwing anarchists want to burn Western society and replace with some undefined global chaotic nonstructure.

 

See the pattern?