Spinal Care

[GrandTrinity]

As someone who meditates and works with chi, what is your experience of chiropractic?

 

I have heard a tai chi player say that chiro is "too sharp" for the chi and thus can "drive it out"

 

I have experienced a spectrum of positive and negative effects from chiropractic myself. I am tempted to try network chiro or applied kinesiology or something else. My current doc has a machine called the insight subluxation machine. It is used by NASA and replaces x-rays in assessing the spine. I like it.

 

Since my major issue is with the Atlas Complex at the upper cervical, I am currently seeing a specialist in this. Does anyone have experience there?

 

What is your experience and opinion on chiropractic through the lens of a meditater?

[joeblast]

I went to an acupuncturist in southington and he was basically a chiro that did some acupuncture. He seemed to want to quick fix whatever was ailing me, his questions werent that in depth. pain here? pain there? tested my grip, had me rotate my neck, was surprised that I meditated and did qigong. stuck some needles in my lumbar region...even though it was feeling fine at the time (had surgery on L5.)

I had him crack my back in the middle thoracic which was good. he also cracked my neck...and while the end result felt good, I wasnt really a fan of how he did it and it felt strange at the time. I dont crack myself like that, for sure!

I havent gone back...mostly because I have been busy...but also because it didnt seem like he had a very deep understanding of TCM, and it seems like TCM practitioners around here are few and far between...not to mention uncovered by insurance...

I dunno...not too keen on a machine that has 'subluxation' in its name...

what's your issue with the atlas complex?

Edited December 10, 2007 by joeblast

[mYTHmAKER]

As someone who meditates and works with chi, what is your experience of chiropractic?

 

I have heard a tai chi player say that chiro is "too sharp" for the chi and thus can "drive it out"

 

I have experienced a spectrum of positive and negative effects from chiropractic myself. I am tempted to try network chiro or applied kinesiology or something else. My current doc has a machine called the insight subluxation machine. It is used by NASA and replaces x-rays in assessing the spine. I like it.

 

Since my major issue is with the Atlas Complex at the upper cervical, I am currently seeing a specialist in this. Does anyone have experience there?

 

What is your experience and opinion on chiropractic through the lens of a meditater?

 

I do network (chiro) spinal analysis.

I recommend it

[林愛偉]

I went to an acupuncturist in southington and he was basically a chiro that did some acupuncture. He seemed to want to quick fix whatever was ailing me, his questions werent that in depth. pain here? pain there? tested my grip, had me rotate my neck, was surprised that I meditated and did qigong. stuck some needles in my lumbar region...even though it was feeling fine at the time (had surgery on L5.)

I had him crack my back in the middle thoracic which was good. he also cracked my neck...and while the end result felt good, I wasnt really a fan of how he did it and it felt strange at the time. I dont crack myself like that, for sure!

I havent gone back...mostly because I have been busy...but also because it didnt seem like he had a very deep understanding of TCM, and it seems like TCM practitioners around here are few and far between...not to mention uncovered by insurance...

I dunno...not too keen on a machine that has 'subluxation' in its name...

what's your issue with the atlas complex?

 

 

Chiropractors aren't regulated to take 4 years of TCM study to get a license. They can take a several hour course...I believe its 30hours or a bit more, and then they are licensed and can be called Dr.s of Chinese Medicine. They don't need to have any real understanding of Chinese Medical Science because the Western Medical Associations do not view Chinese Medicine as a Science, let alone a medical practice worth anything...all because it actually works, and cures people. Unlike Western medicine which..... that's another thread.

 

Peace,

Lin

[GrandTrinity]

The Atlas complex is a bitch to heal. Well it will take maybe over a month with regular bi weekly sessions perhaps... a very weird vertebre, at the top of the spine.

 

Mythmaker, what is up with that? you practice legit or learned it second hand? How is it similar/diff than external qi gong healing? it sounds similar. What if any is your experience with upper cervical healings? How long/many treatments does network take to kick in?

[gendao]

I have heard a tai chi player say that chiro is "too sharp" for the chi and thus can "drive it out"

 

Since my major issue is with the Atlas Complex at the upper cervical, I am currently seeing a specialist in this. Does anyone have experience there?

Hmm, "too sharp?" But I figure anything to straighten the spine would allow better qi flow?

 

What is the Atlas Complex?

[joeblast]

lol I tell ya lin and the insurance companies say 'well, our science cant measure your science so we're not going to pay for it, either!'

 

vortex, depending on the health of the patient, bones, ligaments, tendons, muscle...will all be differing amounts of breakable...get a little too sharp and its a problem

[mYTHmAKER]

The Atlas complex is a bitch to heal. Well it will take maybe over a month with regular bi weekly sessions perhaps... a very weird vertebre, at the top of the spine.

 

Mythmaker, what is up with that? you practice legit or learned it second hand? How is it similar/diff than external qi gong healing? it sounds similar. What if any is your experience with upper cervical healings? How long/many treatments does network take to kick in?

 

Here is the site for NSA

http://www.donaldepstein.com/

 

They have a listing of practitioners

 

I go to a chiripractor who practices nsa exclusively.

There are no chiro manipulations.

A lot of opening and breathing.

 

Insurance will cover it as going to a chiropractor

 

Go and experience a session for yourself.

[Oolong Rabbit]

Funny how these topics bubble up at just the right time. I was going to start a topic on spinal health, exercises and specifically if anyone has used tools such as gravity boots, inversion boards or the Lynx Back Stretcher: http://www.inversion-table-direct.com/cata..._Back_Stretcher

 

In general my back is pretty healthy but I often feel like there's a tension 'crick' in my back. I can usually snap it myself, or even better get someone to walk on it. This primarily started about 3 years ago. My son ran at me and I lifted him up really fast. I felt an insane pain in my back and dropped like a stone. My back felt like hell for a couple of days until I half jokingly asked one of my co-workers (6th degree jujitsu black belt under Micheal Despasqualis Jr.) if he could fix it like Mr. Myiagi. He said sure and had me lay on the floor. He then ran his fingers up my spine and felt where it was out of allignement. He had me take a deep breath, placed his hands on either side of my spine and pushed down and pulled laterally firmly. My back made a huge pop and the pain was instantly gone. Great, but it seems like ever since then my back has never been quite the same.

 

In any case I am really considering buying the Lynx to test it it out? Anyone have any thoughts on it? I am also open to specific gong that target the back (my tai chi bow is one actually).

 

P.S. Man this Big Red Robe Ooolong is to die for. On my third infusion

[joeblast]

that thing looks interesting, oolong. never seen one before!

 

I've got a weird spot on my back I've been feeling qi at for the last few weeks. I'd write about it here but I think it might hijack this thread, so I think I may just make a new one.

[seadog]

I bought a migun bed for my wife who suffers from ms and stuggles with back pain and stiffness.Basically the bed runs jade knucles up your spine and along your ub accu points.At the same time it pumps infra heat up 70 degress celcius into your back and legs.It also has nine heated jade knucles which you can place on your dantien.Judging by the sometimes foul taste in my mouth after a session it also seems to release a fair few toxins.Overall we love it.

[sheng zhen]

I havent tried chiropractics. But since this is a thread for spinal care, has anyone tried Zhineng qigong level2? Its said to be "qigong for the spine".

[joeblast]

I bought a migun bed for my wife who suffers from ms and stuggles with back pain and stiffness.Basically the bed runs jade knucles up your spine and along your ub accu points.At the same time it pumps infra heat up 70 degress celcius into your back and legs.It also has nine heated jade knucles which you can place on your dantien.Judging by the sometimes foul taste in my mouth after a session it also seems to release a fair few toxins.Overall we love it.

that sounds very interesting, I'm going to have to look at those just for the heck of it thanks!

[gendao]

I havent tried chiropractics. But since this is a thread for spinal care, has anyone tried Zhineng qigong level2? Its said to be "qigong for the spine".

Does anyone have any firsthand experiences to report from Zhineng/Chi-Lel qigong?

 

I tried a little Chi-Lel qigong before but it didn't do much for me cuz I was so blocked up at the time.. In fact, I felt little from any qigong I tried due to that.

 

That's the chicken/egg problem with qigong - it's supposed to help clear you up. But, the more blocked you are, the "less" easily it works. IOW, it's like trying to clear pipes by flowing water through...but those clogs keep the water from flowing through.

[freesun]

Sorry for probably beeing obvious, but it really depends on who you go to in any given field. Just because someone learned a technique doesn't mean he can apply it well or effectivly. I have been to amazing docs. who call themselfs chiropractors etc. yet I wouldn't dare letting a random one from the yellow pages touch my back. Really check around for credentials and/or really try going by intuition when picking someone to trust your body to.

 

Having said that, GrandTrinity: For Atlas work I could recommend something called "Vitalogie" in German. I have not been able to find a translation for it unfortunatly. All they do is Atlas work, and if you find a good practitionor you can get some quick and good results. If you happen to live near Hamburg I could refer you to someone.

[GrandTrinity]

Freesun, unfortunately I am in the USA not Germany. I read through the English section of th vitality website. It was very interesting.

 

However, it did not talk about the actual technique. What is the procedure? how many sessions does it take to "hold"?

 

thanks!

[SheepishLord]

Since my major issue is with the Atlas Complex at the upper cervical, I am currently seeing a specialist in this. Does anyone have experience there?

 

Atlas Orthoganal machines are interesting. I had A LOT of sessions on one, and I can say that if it doesn't fix your problem in a few sessions, stop doing it.

 

I know a guy in New Jersey, thanks to Smile, who can fix spines in a few sessions. He fixed my back in 3. Chiros hate him because they can't make money curing someone in 3 sessions. I've had tons of chiro, atlas, ncr... he's the only one who created a real change. He did it fast and cheap. A real Bodhissatva!

[mentalground0]

I know a guy in New Jersey, thanks to Smile, who can fix spines in a few sessions. He fixed my back in 3. Chiros hate him because they can't make money curing someone in 3 sessions. I've had tons of chiro, atlas, ncr... he's the only one who created a real change. He did it fast and cheap. A real Bodhissatva!

 

Where in Jersey? I'm in Philly and would be willing to drive for someone who could relieve the discomfort in my back.

[gendao]

I know a guy in New Jersey, thanks to Smile, who can fix spines in a few sessions. He fixed my back in 3. Chiros hate him because they can't make money curing someone in 3 sessions. I've had tons of chiro, atlas, ncr... he's the only one who created a real change. He did it fast and cheap. A real Bodhissatva!

Interesting, what's his modality?

 

There's a guy here in TX who does "biomechanics" named John Patterson. He has a lot of jock-star clientele including Andy Roddick & Tracy McGrady. I've been meaning to try him out one of these days just to see what he can do..

"What we did is make sure what caused the back to go out in the first place," Patterson said. "Once we located that, we used passive resistance I call 'synergy release therapy.' Basically, it's looking for what caused the soft tissues or muscles to retract and correct that."

 

Patterson said the technology, a frequency specific microcurrent machine, was developed in 1996 by Carol McMahon in Vancouver, Wash. Since then, Patterson has used it on many athletes, including Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz, Dallas Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens, Olympians Michael Johnson, Gail Devers and Butch Reynolds and Roddick.

 

"My main point is to rehab them so they don't get hurt again the same way," Patterson said. "And then, it's to prevent another injury because biomechanics are not right. It's basically a combination of biomechanics and a microcurrent machine. Between the two, you can make it heal faster and prevent it from happening again."

From what some friends have told me, he can basically eyeball misalignments just looking at you standing there. Which he then corrects by "bone-setting," I suppose. I don't know his exact technique, which is why I'd like to try him out and see though.

 

BTW, I still don't know what the Atlas Complex is???

Edited December 18, 2007 by vortex

[joeblast]

google it!

 

its the first cervical vertebrae.

[freesun]

Freesun, unfortunately I am in the USA not Germany. I read through the English section of th vitality website. It was very interesting.

 

However, it did not talk about the actual technique. What is the procedure? how many sessions does it take to "hold"?

 

thanks!

 

The technique is very gentle, just a slight pressure behind the ear being applied yet you get immediate results. I'd say about 3 sessions on average as far as i can tell to have it stick.

 

SheepishLord:

I know a guy in New Jersey, thanks to Smile, who can fix spines in a few sessions. He fixed my back in 3. Chiros hate him because they can't make money curing someone in 3 sessions. I've had tons of chiro, atlas, ncr... he's the only one who created a real change. He did it fast and cheap. A real Bodhissatva!

 

Sounds like someone i know in a small town in southwest Missouri. Really humble but amazing abilities. Most of his clients were Mormons.

Edited December 18, 2007 by freesun