Golden Dragon Shining Posted January 17, 2017 "Thousands of years ago the immortals known as the Shining Ones shipwrecked on the Chinese coast. Passing their shamanic practices--such as ecstatic flight and how to find power animals and spirit guides--on to the indigenous people, they also taught them the wisdom of the Medicine Wheel. From the Taoist Medicine Wheel came the principles of Yin and Yang, the Five Elements, the Eight Forces, the Chinese zodiac, and the I Ching. The Taoist Medicine Wheel can also be found at the foundation of traditional Chinese medicine and the esoteric sexual practices of Taoist Alchemy." Mantak Chia 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudfoot Posted January 20, 2017 Isn't that the title of a book by David Eddings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocky Lionmouth Posted January 26, 2017 Theres a really good book called "The Shining Girls" by Aaronovich(?), seriously scary thriller, urban fantasy type stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 26, 2017 That was a spaceship that the Shining Ones were in, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted January 26, 2017 That was a spaceship that the Shining Ones were in, right? Yes. A landing craft, actually. The mothership is calling them home now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted January 26, 2017 I hear the call 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] Posted January 26, 2017 "Thousands of years ago the immortals known as the Shining Ones shipwrecked on the Chinese coast. Passing their shamanic practices--such as ecstatic flight and how to find power animals and spirit guides..." Mantak Chia Is it really possible that immortals used shamanic practice? Shamanic practice as I heard does not do anything with energy cultivation and lifetime prolongation... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 26, 2017 Is it really possible that immortals used shamanic practice? Shamanic practice as I heard does not do anything with energy cultivation and lifetime prolongation... I have heard many different views from a number of different sources. I doubt we will find agreement across the board. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YiYinYiYang Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) . Edited August 13, 2017 by YiYinYiYang 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dzGaJyiJW4&t=29s My 20-something guitar-&-bass-playing son and I were recently mutually shocked when I quoted Parliament lyrics in a conversation with him and he recognized it. Turns out he had been to a Bootsy Collins concert not long before. EDIT: I have to admit, though, that this thread brought this song to mind: Edited January 26, 2017 by Brian 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted January 26, 2017 EDIT: I have to admit, though, that this thread brought this song to mind: This time you beat me to it. The youtube'd song I mean. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ormus Posted January 27, 2017 Are they are Chinese at all? Some paintings of Immortals looks realy diferent from Chinese. Ormus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 27, 2017 In my opinion there is the pre-Buddhist art and the post-Buddhist art. The immortals have always been in the art, it's just that much of it is based on the above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted January 27, 2017 Do you have examples of these paintings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 27, 2017 Not handy, no. A couple years back there was a thread that spoke to this and then I did a little research of my own. I can't, for the life of me, recall where the thread is or even the thread title. It is a thread about the different styles of Chinese painting. I'm pretty sure Taoist Texts was involved in it or maybe even the primary poster. Maybe he has info he can share with you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted January 27, 2017 I know Bodhidharma is the "blue eyed barbarian", that is one 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kara_mia Posted February 5, 2017 Is it really possible that immortals used shamanic practice? Shamanic practice as I heard does not do anything with energy cultivation and lifetime prolongation... Hi there. I am of the same opinion here. Immortals and shamanic practices don't mix well together Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted February 5, 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism For consideration... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Hi there. I am of the same opinion here. Immortals and shamanic practices don't mix well together mmm... actually qigong and daoist/Buddhist practices IS a modernized(*) shamanism... WU ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_(shaman) (*) as compared to the times of the Shining Ones... Edited February 6, 2017 by qicat 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) mmm... actually qigong and daoist/Buddhist practices IS a modernized(*) shamanism... WU ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_(shaman) (*) as compared to the times of the Shining Ones... Do you want to say that shaman practice was a basis for Taoism and Buddism? For me they are different things. My understanding is that qi gong is a thread from Taoist alchemy while alchemy itself is a result of wisdom of the ancient ones, who did not deal with shaman practice.Where from we received shamanism is a question, my suggestion that it is a result of simple rituals came from peoples fantasies. Edited February 13, 2017 by [email protected] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted February 13, 2017 Where from we received shamanism is a question, my suggestion that it is a result of simple rituals came from peoples fantasies. Why don't you visit a real shaman and ask for a ritual and see for yourself. I have a "Books" thread in my PDD. I will post on shamanic references from my research there. I will keep you posted. Do you want to say that shaman practice was a basis for Taoism and Buddism? For me they are different things. My understanding is that qi gong is a thread from Taoist alchemy while alchemy itself is a result of wisdom of the ancient ones, who did not deal with shaman practice. May I ask, what exactly do you understand by the Taoist Alchemy? What exactly do you mean by Shamanic Practice? I think before I engage with you in this discussion, we need to set a benchmark of what is being discussed. I need to see if you are able to take the concept outside of the ritual and "see" the nature of the object/action performed adjusted to local customs. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] Posted February 15, 2017 My current understanding is that Taoist alchemy is a scope of methods to develop energy and spirit (say ming and xing) to achieve long life, understanding of cosmic laws and immortality if possible. Shaman practices are the methods of achieving a deep connection with nature and external spirits, and one of results is getting some knowledge from these spirits or totems. May be I missed smth, then please share your understanding. Rgrds, Ilya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) My current understanding is that Taoist alchemy is a scope of methods to develop energy and spirit (say ming and xing) to achieve long life, understanding of cosmic laws and immortality if possible. Shaman practices are the methods of achieving a deep connection with nature and external spirits, and one of results is getting some knowledge from these spirits or totems. May be I missed smth, then please share your understanding. Rgrds, Ilya yep. Seems you are at your school ( I don't know your lineage/teacher) at Level 1, max 2. Ask them about when do you get to play with spirits... Daoists are known for that:) Good luck. Edited February 15, 2017 by qicat 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] Posted February 15, 2017 yep. Seems you are at your school ( I don't know your lineage/teacher) at Level 1, max 2. Ask them about when do you get to play with spirits... Daoists are known for that:) Good luck. Maybe you could share with 1-2 level people with your understanding of shaman practice? I think it could help us to improve our understanding... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted February 16, 2017 Maybe you could share with 1-2 level people with your understanding of shaman practice? I think it could help us to improve our understanding... You said it yourself, there is really nothing more to it. Five elements,understanding cycles of life/death, etc. It's all right there in your practice. I hope you get a light bulb and see it for yourself. the methods of achieving a deep connection with nature and external spirits Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
