Indiken Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, manitou said: I think the desireless aspect also pertains to not being opinionated. The desirelessness is a result of realizing, from the inside, who you really are. Once that is realized, nothing is missing. Nothing to desire. This would involve stepping out of dogma of any sort, accompanied by an internal inspection and modification for character traits that no longer serve you. Interesting perspective. I simply thought desirelessness objectively lets one to access what can be called "inner" or "higher" self. Thus one can see the mysterious self or "Dao". I thought desire term contains - fame, wealth, sexuality, bodily functions - that which occupies mind and do not let to see the higher aspects of reality. Edited April 10, 2021 by Indiken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manitou Posted April 11, 2021 On 4/10/2021 at 9:14 AM, Indiken said: Interesting perspective. I simply thought desirelessness objectively lets one to access what can be called "inner" or "higher" self. Thus one can see the mysterious self or "Dao". I thought desire term contains - fame, wealth, sexuality, bodily functions - that which occupies mind and do not let to see the higher aspects of reality. The concept of inner or higher self sounds pretty dual, still. There is a final realization that will remove all of that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indiken Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, manitou said: The concept of inner or higher self sounds pretty dual, still. There is a final realization that will remove all of that. For now I only know two of myself. One is the common, the other is impersonal, a deeper one. The first tap into this deeper "him" was while because of asking question "Who am I". Now "he" regularly, but randomly surfaces. I still think there is the third, the "real" self. Edited April 11, 2021 by Indiken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manitou Posted April 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Indiken said: For now I only know two of myself. One is the common, the other is impersonal, a deeper one. The first tap into this deeper "him" was while because of asking question "Who am I". Now "he" regularly, but randomly surfaces. I still think there is the third, the "real" self. Try subtraction instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indiken Posted April 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, manitou said: Try subtraction instead. This leads me asking what are this alternate type of consciousness. At the start I thought it is mental illness. I do not know if You have any experience of similar. When it turns on, it seems that all personality, emotions, thoughts becomes peripherical, distant, not important. Only is left the feeling that one is not human, but simply consciousness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manitou Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Indiken said: This leads me asking what are this alternate type of consciousness. At the start I thought it is mental illness. I do not know if You have any experience of similar. When it turns on, it seems that all personality, emotions, thoughts becomes peripherical, distant, not important. Only is left the feeling that one is not human, but simply consciousness. At the center of everything is the I Am consciousness. It is a consciousness that is the result of a final realization that you, yourself must make. It is the same realization that is the 33rd step of Scottish Rites freemasonry. The same realization that is the Christ consciousness, the Buddha mind - it's all the I Am consciousness, which involves no path at all once realized. It's not attained, it's realized. Within. This is the Dao, the mind of absolute potential and creativity. It is creation. It uses wei wu wei as one of its tools. Edited April 11, 2021 by manitou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indiken Posted April 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, manitou said: At the center of everything is the I Am consciousness. It is a consciousness that is the result of a final realization that you, yourself must make. It is the same realization that is the 33rd step of the Scottish Rites freemasonry. The same realization that is the Christ consciousness, the Buddha mind - it's all the I Am consciousness, which involves no path at all once realized. It's not attained, it's realized. Within. This is the Dao, the mind of absolute potential and creativity. It is creation. It uses wei wu wei as one of its tools. I remember once You said to me in a post that I was "educated", but lack real experience. Now I have the same idea about Your thoughts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manitou Posted April 12, 2021 I don't remember the thread, but I am very sorry to have left you with that memory. If my thoughts do not resonate, please let them just float by... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indiken Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, manitou said: I don't remember the thread, but I am very sorry to have left you with that memory. If my thoughts do not resonate, please let them just float by... This was not the answer I was expecting. Thank You for the lession. Be well. AL. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) Posted in the wrong thread Edited July 4, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) wrong thread. Edited July 4, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Cobie Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Wrong thread. Sorry about all the wrong thread posts, I do the quoting wrong. Edited July 5, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
