strange dan tien feeling

[wenwu]

so i have been doing martial arts for a few years the 6 have been internal. these past few months i have really been focusing on my standing and breathing exercises. really enjoying them at the moment don't know why.

 

last night i had sex (kinda) and this moring had a real sickness feeling in my lower belly, around the dan tien area. this is the second time i have experienced this in a row.

 

has anyone else had this experience?

[yiqili]

so i have been doing martial arts for a few years the 6 have been internal. these past few months i have really been focusing on my standing and breathing exercises. really enjoying them at the moment don't know why.

 

last night i had sex (kinda) and this moring had a real sickness feeling in my lower belly, around the dan tien area. this is the second time i have experienced this in a row.

 

has anyone else had this experience?

 

 

similar feeling after abstaining for a week while doing kunlun then ejaculating. it went away.

[wenwu]

similar feeling after abstaining for a week while doing kunlun then ejaculating. it went away.

 

the feeling i get is after sex, lasts for maybe a day, or is is today anyway

[Jakara]

I get pain in the dan tien whilst doing abdominal breathing if I do it the same day after intercourse. Sleeping it off usually works, 24 hours later im fine.

[joeblast]

from what I've read, most masters suggest 1 day or two, some more conservative even 4 days of 'rest' after ejaculation.

[clearclouds]

from what I've read, most masters suggest 1 day or two, some more conservative even 4 days of 'rest' after ejaculation.

 

yeah, there's gotta be something in the burner before you start cookin'

[WhiteTiger]

If your not going the route of being celibate. You can try and learn a type of practice where you have a bright light coming from the bottom of your spine and you try to move it up higher. But not in one sitting, you do it very slowly, day after day getting it higher and a comfortable pace.

 

I believe this practice should take away any discomfort you have if you decide to ejaculate.

 

In fact does anyone know exactly what type of meditation this is called, Nei Gong or Qi Gong practice this is?

 

I wish this stuff was still transmitted to me and I learned much more about this.

Edited December 13, 2007 by WhiteTiger

[Procurator]

 

 

I believe this practice should take away any discomfort you have if you decide to ejaculate.

 

In fact does anyone know exactly what type of meditation this is called, Nei Gong or Qi Gong practice this is?

well if you must know it goes by name of "practice of hastening one's own death", on this forum you will find many a master of it.

[Fu_dog]

Master Hua-Ching Ni discusses an after sex (loss of jing) recovery qigong in one of his books. It works well to restore qi to the dan tien.

Edited December 13, 2007 by Fu_dog

[wenwu]

similar feeling after abstaining for a week while doing kunlun then ejaculating. it went away.

 

 

hi there, thanks for your post, my feeling comes just after sex.

 

 

 

 

hi there, thanks for your post, my feeling comes just after sex.

 

 

thanks to everyone for their replies and sorry for my stange messages, My computer is doing strange things and not showing new messages or even my posts sometimes, oh well

 

I will look up the qi restoration qi-gong, thanks for the tip

[WhiteTiger]

well if you must know it goes by name of "practice of hastening one's own death", on this forum you will find many a master of it.

 

Thats not very nice. I didn't mean to say that you should ejaculate. I'm in no way advocating the loss of Jing. But I also don't tell people how they should live there life. People should be free of decisions. There are many martial art places, and or practices where they have strict rules of this sort and look down upon you from deciding to do things differently. You know the belief of freedom. If you choose to not go the path of Celibacy. You can do this sort of light meditation and you will not have the painful feeling after you ejaculate. The only difference is that once you complete this type of meditation. I believe that you naturally harness the ability to be celibate without any feelings or urges to make you think or do otherwise. Kinda like transcending the issue. The problem is one would have to complete the it first... where as I ever did that .

Edited December 13, 2007 by WhiteTiger

[Mal]

Hi WhiteTiger,

 

Don't worry about it, all of Procurator posts seem to be rather negative, not sure why.

[Procurator]

all of Procurator posts seem to be rather negative, not sure why.

it is just as well buddy, go on drinking kool-aid and squirting your jism, you are doing just fine.

[Mal]

go on drinking kool-aid and squirting your jism, you are doing just fine.

 

I know a lot of books say semen retention is the only way to go. Perhaps it's different with the supervision of a teacher but personally I find that all it does is make me cranky and frustrated

 

What have your experiences been like?

[Procurator]

I know a lot of books say semen retention is the only way to go. Perhaps it's different with the supervision of a teacher but personally I find that all it does is make me cranky and frustrated

 

What have your experiences been like?

well, since u asked...

 

humans are born with a limited amount of primary energy. in the course of life the primary energy slowly leaks out in order to fuel man's activities. When all the energy leaked out man dies.

 

The practices that people on this forum do are pumping out the primary energy at double or triple rate of a normal person. That is why all you guys do is hasten your demise. Sad.

[Trunk]

.. feeling in my lower belly,

If you haven't already integrated self-acupressure into your routines, you might try it.

[Mal]

humans are born with a limited amount of primary energy. in the course of life the primary energy slowly leaks out in order to fuel man's activities. When all the energy leaked out man dies.

 

I can understand that, don't necessarily agree but as I grow older my thinking is changing and it's likely that you, along with 1000's of others who advocate this, are correct.

 

But I can't really see how :-

 

You can try and learn a type of practice where you have a bright light coming from the bottom of your spine and you try to move it up higher.

 

Which basically to me sounds like a microcosmic orbit variation would =

 

The practices that people on this forum do are pumping out the primary energy at double or triple rate of a normal person. That is why all you guys do is hasten your demise. Sad.

 

I certainly don't want to hasten my demise (actually perhaps I do, I ride a motorbike) but I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean. There are all sorts of practices talked about here. And retention without doing something with the energy, like what white tiger suggested, has been pointless and frustrating, in my experience.

[WhiteTiger]

I can understand that, don't necessarily agree but as I grow older my thinking is changing and it's likely that you, along with 1000's of others who advocate this, are correct.

 

But I can't really see how :-

Which basically to me sounds like a microcosmic orbit variation would =

I certainly don't want to hasten my demise (actually perhaps I do, I ride a motorbike) but I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean. There are all sorts of practices talked about here. And retention without doing something with the energy, like what white tiger suggested, has been pointless and frustrating, in my experience.

 

Idk, if its microcosmic orbit. My understandings or belief was always it was starting the stage to Immortality. But i could be very easily incorrect about that. The fact that it gives you the ability to feel impenetrable is the reason why I thought its the way to immortality. I'm currently not practicing and need to get back into practice. On top of that I'm in the great search for a great teacher. I never fully got the white light to the height of 100%. and even one time in my life it changed from a bright white light all around, into a fading of color with blue rays on the side of the bright white light. Yes, yes, i know which is bad practice and i know exactly what had changed. Its something you imagine coming from the base of your spine. but i believe mine extended greatly beyond my whole body and felt higher then my head. But i never fully extended it. I wouldn't know what to do with it once i fully extended it. Mal you got a point with that. I raised it being in the "now" so basically it i filled the white light fully i would have realized that i now have something to do with it. So what i'm saying is i would, or should have had to do something with it. But i was just a nobody with someone transmitting something that never fully matured and never went anywhere.

 

Mal, what about retention becomes pointless and/or frustrating?

Edited December 15, 2007 by WhiteTiger

[Procurator]

But I can't really see how :-

Which basically to me sounds like a microcosmic orbit variation would =

I certainly don't want to hasten my demise (actually perhaps I do, I ride a motorbike) but I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean. There are all sorts of practices talked about here.

does not matter what sort of practice you do they all involve some kind of "shutting down the mind" or "stopping the thoughts" effort. I am not your teacher so i will not explain to you in detail how it works but tis is how the energy is transferred from formless, limited reservoir into the body.

 

Men get erection after sleep and feel well rested because the mind shuts down during sleep meaning that some energy gets transferred from pre-heaven to post-heaven in sleep. You describe how girls get attracted to you after your training session. Well, you pumped out some energy and they feel it. Since you pumped it out in addition to normal transfer during sleep and did it in more forceful manner the amount of energy you dissipate is 2 or 3 times larger than that if you would not train.

 

 

 

 

And retention without doing something with the energy, like what white tiger suggested, has been pointless and frustrating, in my experience.

the issue is that neither you nor tiger nor anybody else on this forum know what are you doing. you tinker with bits and piece of practices that would work in their entirety if properly transmitted, but would never work in bits and pieces especially when transmited falsely.

[Mal]

the issue is that you [don't] know what are you doing. you tinker with bits and piece of practices that would work in their entirety if properly transmitted, but would never work in bits and pieces especially when transmited falsely.

 

Correct, and I can now see why your "posts seem to be rather negative" When I know how to do something it certainly makes me sad when I see other totally stuffing it up!

 

But in the absence of a teacher there is not much else I can do. Thanks for taking the time to talk to me, I learnt a few things.

 

Cheers

[mantis]

signs of frustration and being full i'd imagine would be because of stagnation. procurator is 100% right in this aspect that you shouldn't ejaculate. anyone that tells you that you can restore your jing back after ejaculating is a liar and a black magician.

 

brahmacharya is not something that happens overnight. it is something that requires a tremendous amount of will power and a radical change in a man's psyche. the modern man lives a cursed live, driven by his animalistic pleasures. look at how we categorize women now: either hot or not. we look at them like a fine piece of steak we are dying to devour.

 

you must constantly be attentive of your mind and the thoughts that flow through it. be attentive of your behavior and you will find many perverse, disgusting things. once you find them you meditate on them until you comprehend them, at which point they will disappear, slowly. in time you will purify your mind of lustful thoughts and ideas, at which point brahmacharya will become so much easier.

 

anyone who thinks they can maintain brahmacharya while watching pornography, masturbating while fantasizing about erotic images of women etc. will find the painful truth that it is truly impossible.

[WhiteTiger]

does not matter what sort of practice you do they all involve some kind of "shutting down the mind" or "stopping the thoughts" effort. I am not your teacher so i will not explain to you in detail how it works but tis is how the energy is transferred from formless, limited reservoir into the body.

 

Men get erection after sleep and feel well rested because the mind shuts down during sleep meaning that some energy gets transferred from pre-heaven to post-heaven in sleep. You describe how girls get attracted to you after your training session. Well, you pumped out some energy and they feel it. Since you pumped it out in addition to normal transfer during sleep and did it in more forceful manner the amount of energy you dissipate is 2 or 3 times larger than that if you would not train.

the issue is that neither you nor tiger nor anybody else on this forum know what are you doing. you tinker with bits and piece of practices that would work in their entirety if properly transmitted, but would never work in bits and pieces especially when transmited falsely.

 

I never claimed I understood exactly what was happening to me. Nor did I say I fully understood what I was doing. I didn't know it was MCO and maybe it still isn't. (well from what i read it doesn't sound like it at all, it sounds like what i was doing was retaining and never got to the next step) Just expressed transmitions I had. Sure I would have to say thats very correct, i only knew bits and pieces. Also i wouldn't say my transmitions where in bits and pieces. I was transmitted properly, because what i was transmitted never failed to help me.

 

I do got to admit by you pointing out a thing or two here and there, I have thought about it and realized, after humbling myself some more. That I had made some mistakes in my own practice. Thanks very much. Yet in the way that you pointed out those things, you did so in a way I don't very much care for the way you put things. And can you please not be so negatively inclined next time.

 

signs of frustration and being full i'd imagine would be because of stagnation. procurator is 100% right in this aspect that you shouldn't ejaculate. anyone that tells you that you can restore your jing back after ejaculating is a liar and a black magician.

 

You misunderstand what I'm saying. I never said that you get your Jing back. That same Jing is lost. or at least thats what i'm aware of. You just start the proccess of retention all over again.

 

This discussion is boardering on stealing Jing or sharing Jing from another partner. which is something I truly don't believe in. Nor something i really wanna get into.

 

brahmacharya is not something that happens overnight. it is something that requires a tremendous amount of will power and a radical change in a man's psyche. the modern man lives a cursed live, driven by his animalistic pleasures. look at how we categorize women now: either hot or not. we look at them like a fine piece of steak we are dying to devour.

 

100% agree with changing the man's Psyche. I had to do much will power to do retention that takes lots and lots of effort over the many many days/weeks/months of practicing for hours on end. IDK what brahmacharya is, but for the retention alone.

 

 

you must constantly be attentive of your mind and the thoughts that flow through it. be attentive of your behavior and you will find many perverse, disgusting things. once you find them you meditate on them until you comprehend them, at which point they will disappear, slowly. in time you will purify your mind of lustful thoughts and ideas, at which point brahmacharya will become so much easier.

 

Agree 100%

 

anyone who thinks they can maintain brahmacharya while watching pornography, masturbating while fantasizing about erotic images of women etc. will find the painful truth that it is truly impossible.

 

Once again I don't know what brahmacharya is but my thoughts exactly. It is impossible. At least thats what i believe.

[mantis]

brahmacharya