qicat Posted March 7, 2017 Meow all: https://www.amazon.com/Tao-Craft-Talismans-Esoteric-Tradition/dp/1623170664 Did anybody used this book for practical purposes? I checked the author, and there is a mismatch ( energy wise) between what she is and what is written in the book. It is likely the book is "channeled" or written by someone else ( grandparents?). Any thoughts/experiences? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajra Fist Posted March 7, 2017 Fascinating subject, the book has lots of good reviews. Considering buying it. Would be interested to hear of reviews from bums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted March 7, 2017 Fascinating subject, the book has lots of good reviews. Considering buying it. Would be interested to hear of reviews from bums. Yes, I bought the book on amazon as well. Started reading it and got interesting energy vibes. However, did not do any practical stuff in that lineage. She describes theory way too well for an "americanized girl". There is something deeper for sure. But perhaps I have a strange way of reading books... who knows... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted March 7, 2017 Btw, I've been "warned" about this kind of books. For example, so I heard, all JAJ's books are "loaded" if you have the key... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajra Fist Posted March 7, 2017 How do you mean loaded? With energetic messages? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhongyongdaoist Posted March 7, 2017 I posted about this book here and here, and as noted in the second link, received it as Christmas present (It does help to have strange friends). I have been far busier in the new year than I thought and so I have not had a chance to do a detailed analysis, but it seems to be a good introduction to the topic for a medium to advanced beginner in magic. As for Professor Johnon's Book, Daoist Magical Talismans, it is certainly loaded with valuable information, but none of the Daoist Magic series is intended for beginners. If I have time I will try to work up a more detailed review. By the way, the friend who gave this to me also ordered Benebel Wen's Tarot book and really likes it. ZYD 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted March 8, 2017 How do you mean loaded? With energetic messages? it's loaded with information. How do you perceive it( if at all) - that's your own business... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earl Grey Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) I am a friend of the author and I can attest that beyond the book, her knowledge is immense and yet her humility in it all is very admirable. She is very informative, but holds back a lot to make sure that while you do get scholarly and legalistic language that spells things out clearly, it isn't something that spoils the experience for you. This is especially true in her tarot work. Edited March 8, 2017 by Earl Grey 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhongyongdaoist Posted March 12, 2017 I bought this book mostly to learn how to design my own fu, which is a Chinese style talisman, and in that regard I am not disappointed, in other regards it is a little disappointing, but these are more because of personal inclination, and should not dissuade someone else, but more of that later. As a reference work for creating fu, this book is very useful. It discusses in detail the traditional forms that fu take, In other words the basic blueprints with which fu are designed, and then provides a very complete guide to the symbols with which these blueprints are then filled in to “furnish” the fu, these are apt metaphor's because one of the traditional forms that a fu takes is called its “house”.The book itself has a detailed Table of Contents and an index, both of which are useful in actually studying a book on a practical level. The detailed notes at the end not only provide extra elucidation to the text, but valuable online links to such sites as the Chinese Text Project, for some of the traditional texts that she cites, greatly increasing the value of this book as a starting point for more profound levels of study.A fu is a Chinese talisman, and it is useful to ask what a talisman is, in this regard the etymology of the Western term, talisman, is rather interesting and also provides insight into a deeper level of understanding of what a talisman should be. Talisman comes from the Greek work telos, meaning end or goal, and as talismans are also symbolic in nature, the talisman can be considered to be a “wish list” of sorts in symbolic form, but if that was all it was, well it wouldn't be much would it? No, a talisman is intended not merely to be a wish list, but something which helps to make those wishes come true, and this is where the magical part comes in, because this symbol once decided upon and prepared physically, must be made efficacious, or “ling” (灵, líng, efficacious / effective / to come true / spirit ) as the Chinese call it, and this is where the various methods of “empowering”, to use Ms. Wen's term, and a fairly good one it is actually, because it covers a lot of more specific procedure's, such as “charging”, “consecration” and others very well, and she also provides in her books some good basic beginner methods to empower talismans. Now this business of empowerment is important because the whole idea is to make the talisman from a symbolic representation into something that has “causal” power to bring something about, in this case the fulfillment of ones wish to obtain a desired goal, which brings us back to telos and the notion of “final causes”, at its most profound and interesting a fu, or talisman, must become empowered to act as a “final cause” within ones magical activity, but more about final causes at the end of this discussion.How are fu empowered? They are empowered through ritual actions, and Ms. Wen provides a good enough introduction to basic ritual, including a large selection of tradtitional Chinese tools of magical ritual, as well as basic ritual procedure, as well as invocations, mostly in mantra form, for calling upon higher powers, ritual “movements”, which in Chinese magic will often involve actually stepping through various cosmic patterns related to such important sources of power, such as the stars of the Big Dipper, or the Nine Stars of one form or Chinese astrology, and a short discussion of “mudras”, or “hand seals” as Professor Jerry Alan Johnson calls them, which are used to control and direct the flow of qi in the ritual. Now ritual is a very misunderstood aspect of these types of activities, and now is hardly the place to get into the details of how and why it is a good thing to know and practice, but having literally decades of study and experience in the practice of magic, I can only say that it is definitely worth the time and effort to master. Now as to what disappointed me about this book. Well, since my personal bent is Daoist, there is simply not enough Ritual Daoism in it. No Heavenly Lord Taiyi, who is an extremely important god in Daoist work, a god of compassion, who protects and saves, his closest comparison functional comparison in the West would be Jesus, and he can be viewed as the male equivalent of Quan Yin, though rather than being a Buddhist borrowing he has a long history in China, having been among other things the most important deity in the Han Dynasty. He is very powerful and as a patron for the independent practitioner of Chinese styles of magic, a great ally to have. Most of the mantras are for Buddhist and even Hindu deities, though granted most Ritual Daoists don't use mantra that much, I would have liked to have seen more treatment of native Chinese deities and practices, though she does discuss several Chinese deities of importance, and such popular shen as the Eight Immortals. In her defense, such a discussion would have added to what is already a very long book, and I can understand why she didn't make space for more, at almost 600 pages, this was a lot of writing on here part, and a lot of reading and study on the part of the prospective fu practitioner, but t about $20.00 this is a great place to start one's study of the craft of fu, though as I mentioned in my previous post, this is for medium to advanced beginner's, the study of fu is not a study for complete beginners. If people are interested I can post more about what one should study in order to practice fu successfully. Earlier I mentioned "final causes" as an important part of talismanic magic, whether of East or West, and a short discussion of final causes might be a good way to end this, while pointing in new directions. While the notion of final causes is a Western idea, being part of a system called "the four causes", which was explicated and formalized by Aristotle, I have found it very useful in thinking about magic in general and talismanic magic in particular, and while Chinese philosophy doesn't have these four causes worked out in detail, many aspects of Chinese magical practice lend themselves to such analysis, especially since the Chinese already have as an important part of their thinking the notion of li (理, principle, inner essence), a fundamental part of Chinese cosmology, which corresponds to what in the West are called "formal causes", which are part "the four causes", which I mentioned earlier. I have posted on this is several places on the Dao Bums, and in particular its importance to understanding traditional Western magic here:Agrippa and Aristotle: the Aristotelian background of the Occult Philosophy Which among other things analyses the Daoist concepts of De or virtue and Wuwei or nonaction in terms of the four causes to demonstrate the usefulness of such ideas for the integration Chinese and Western esoteric philosophy and practice. 15 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
安永樂 Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) ---- Edited August 22, 2019 by 安永樂 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shazlor Posted April 12, 2017 Please do post in detail on this topic. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brother_Thelonious Posted July 26, 2017 zhong yong daoist reviewed it extremely well. I agree with their points, and will add that I found it incredibly useful for developing my very beginner fu practice. I especially enjoyed that she showed so many different systems and really helped you find ones that resonated more with you. It was a great starting point on what previously to me was such a intriguing but confusing subject. Highly recommended as a beginner! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirPalomides Posted December 5, 2019 On 3/12/2017 at 2:11 PM, Zhongyongdaoist said: No Heavenly Lord Taiyi, who is an extremely important god in Daoist work, a god of compassion, who protects and saves, his closest comparison functional comparison in the West would be Jesus, and he can be viewed as the male equivalent of Quan Yin, though rather than being a Buddhist borrowing he has a long history in China, having been among other things the most important deity in the Han Dynasty. He is very powerful and as a patron for the independent practitioner of Chinese styles of magic, a great ally to have. Could you give some pointers for further reading on Taiyi Tianzun? I vaguely recall a paragraph or two about him in Eva Wong’s guide and I’d love to learn more. Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhongyongdaoist Posted December 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, SirPalomides said: On 3/12/2017 at 11:11 AM, Zhongyongdaoist said: No Heavenly Lord Taiyi, who is an extremely important god in Daoist work, a god of compassion, who protects and saves, his closest comparison functional comparison in the West would be Jesus, and he can be viewed as the male equivalent of Quan Yin, though rather than being a Buddhist borrowing he has a long history in China, having been among other things the most important deity in the Han Dynasty. He is very powerful and as a patron for the independent practitioner of Chinese styles of magic, a great ally to have. Could you give some pointers for further reading on Taiyi Tianzun? I vaguely recall a paragraph or two about him in Eva Wong’s guide and I’d love to learn more. Thanks! Awhile back I posted this in my PPF: On 12/26/2015 at 9:43 AM, Zhongyongdaoist said: The Taoist Culture and Information Center describes him this way: Quote Origin of the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery The Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery ( 太乙救苦天尊 Taiyi Jiuku Tianzun ) is also called 'Heavenly Lord of Salvation from Misery in Response to Cries for Help' ( 尋聲救苦天尊 Xunsheng Jiuku Tianzun ), and 'Heavenly Lord of Salvation from Misery in the Ten Directions" ( 十方救苦天尊 Shifang Jiuku Tianzun ). According to the Book of Protection and Salvation from Misery by the Supreme Oneness ( 太一護身救苦經 Taiyi Hushen Jiuku Jing ), the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery is the Great Benevolent One of the Heavenly Court's Eastern World of Eternal Happiness ( 東方長樂世界 Dongfang Changle Shijie ). He appears everywhere, in the Heavenly Palace ( 天宮 Tiangong ), in the human world, and in hell, among devils as the powerful governor. The Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery can transform in response to the kinds of subjects to be saved, into immortal lads and jade maidens, imperial sovereigns and saints, heavenly lords and perfected ones, diamond warriors and divine kings, devil kings and powerful guardians, celestial masters and Daoists, imperial men and venerable sovereigns, heavenly heelers and officials, men and women, civil and military officials, teachers of law and of meditation, masters of wind and of rain. He is all-powerful. "This sage is called the Supreme Oneness Spirit of Luck ( 太一福神 Taiyi Fushen ) in Heaven, the Great Benevolent One ( 大慈仁者 Daci Renzhe ) in the world, the Imperial Sovereign of Sunshine ( 日耀帝君 Riyao Dijun ) in hell, the Brilliant Lion King ( 獅子明王 Shizi Mingwang ) among heretics, and the Imperial Sovereign of the Pervasive Abyss ( 洞淵帝君 Dongyuan Dijun ) in the water realm."Functions and Temple Worship According to the Supreme Appeal of the Three Grottoes ( 太上三洞表文 Taishang Sandong Biaowen ), there are nine Heavenly Lords: the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery, the Heavenly Lord of Salvation from Misery in the Ten Directions, the Heavenly Lord Who Saves Sinners from the Ninth Hell ( 九幽度罪天尊 Jiuyou Duzui Tianzun ), the Heavenly Lord of Salvation from the Zhuling Star ( 朱陵度命天尊 Zhuling Duming Tianzun ), the Heavenly Lord of Elixirs Refined by Fire ( 火煉丹界天尊 Huolian Danjie Tianzun ), the Heavenly Lord of the Great Bridge of Salvation ( 法橋大度天尊 Faqiao Dadu Tianzun ), the Heavenly Lord of the Golden Palace Avatar ( 金闕化身天尊 Jinque Huashen Tianzun ), the Heavenly Lord of Unfettered Bliss ( 逍遙快樂天尊 Xiaoyao Kuaile Tianzun ), and the Heavenly Lord of Precious Glorious Perfection ( 寶華圓滿天尊 Baohua Yuanman Tianzun ). The Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery is the first and chief among them. His role is "to save sentient beings with highest holiness and benevolence, extreme kindness and love, by riding the immortal cart of nine masters and shining forth the auspicious lights of the hundred treasures." According to legends, a man in distress need only recite the name of the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery, and he will get help and relief in response to his cry for help. As for those who have accumulated merits perfectly, the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery will descend on his immortal cart of nine masters and, shining forth the auspicious lights of the hundred treasures, lead them to ascend to Immortality. Daoist temples generally have a Hall of Supreme Oneness ( 太乙殿 Taiyi Dian ) where a sculpture or image of the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness is worshipped. He always appears as a Heavenly Lord riding on a lion. Only on the Festivals of the Three Origins, or during Yellow Register Rituals of Salvation, is the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery worshipped. Since the Song and Yuan dynasties, many Daoist rituals take the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery as the major divinity, such as the Precious Repentance for Salvation from the Blood Lake Hell Told by the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery ( 《太乙救苦天尊說撥度血湖寶懺》 Taiyi Jiuku Tianzun Shuo Badu Xiehu Baochan ), Refinement and Salvation of the Numinous Treasure ( 《靈寶煉度》 Lingbao Liandu ), and the Lantern Ritual for Salvation from the Ninth Hell ( 《九幽燈儀》 Jiuyou Dengyi ). In such rituals, besides guiding the sentient beings, the Heavenly Lord of Supreme Oneness and Salvation from Misery is also in charge of Refining the souls of the dead with water and fire, purifying the Blood Lake Hell, saving the souls of sinners from hell, and so on. (Article on Heavenly Lord Taiyi) He has been a focus of my practice for a long time and I see a real need for him in general, both because he can help to achieve and maintain internal congruence, but also for furthering peace and understanding. The link in the above quote should work, but just in case here is a link to the main page of the site described above: The Taoist Culture and Information Center Bookmark the site is extremely useful. Also, you might find some of the other things I have posted in my PPF interesting. ZYD 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_tortugo Posted October 8, 2021 B. Wen has this great Metaphysician’s Day Planner that I bought one year. It was great, but way too much for my style. She shares great info. There is something I don't like about it, but that shouldn't stop anyone from learning from her work. Fu Talisman Instructables https://benebellwen.com/the-tao-of-craft/fu-talisman-instructables/ Selling Fu Talismanshttps://benebellwen.com/2017/11/12/selling-fu-talismans/ Tao of Craft Downloadshttps://benebellwen.com/the-tao-of-craft/tao-of-craft-downloads/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites