Trumpcare

[Brian]

Universal healthcare is coming whether Brian likes it not. As usual progressives have to drag conservatives kicking and screaming.

 

About time compassion takes over instead of social Darwinism.

Oh, yes -- gotta love an ideology which is founded on dragging people kicking and screaming. Thanks for the delightfully​ appropriate imagery to accompany your tyrannical pipedream!

 

Perhaps you should put that on a bumper sticker? "An idea so great that you'll have to be dragged to it kicking and screaming"

[Brian]

Universal healthcare is coming whether Brian likes it not. As usual progressives have to drag conservatives kicking and screaming.

 

About time compassion takes over instead of social Darwinism.

Regarding social Darwinism, it's obvious you didn't bother to read that treatise I suggested earlier -- the one written by the grandfather of modern Progressivism, Woodrow Wilson.

 

You would be more credible if you understood the principles of the ideology you espouse (frankly, you might recognize the hypocrisy of it and wonder how in the world you could have swallowed that fraudulent tripe, but that might be asking too much...)

[blackstar212]

Yeah terrible ideas like ending slavery. We had to drag conservatives kicking and screaming to stop that.

[Brian]

Yeah terrible ideas like ending slavery. We had to drag conservatives kicking and screaming to stop that.

Just the opposite, actually. You really ought to spend some time learning history before you try to point at examples you mistakenly think support your ideology.

 

Slavery, segregation, abortion as a solution to "the negro problem" -- all "Progressive" principles which conservatives have worked to reverse. (In fairness, slavery in the US was a "Democrat" principle because the "Progressive" self-appellation didn't emerge until the end of Reconstruction (although one of Wilson's crowning achievements was the re-segregation of the Federal Executive Branch workforce, so...)

[blackstar212]

LMAO yeah that is called historical spin doctoring at its finest LOL Conservative by their very definition do not want change. They thought that slavery was their right from the bible. Progressives had to come in and save the day.

[Brian]

LMAO yeah that is called historical spin doctoring at its finest LOL Conservative by their very definition do not want change. They thought that slavery was their right from the bible. Progressives had to come in and save the day.

Do some research, buddy -- you haven't a clue.

 

Hell! Read that treatise by Woodrow Wilson I've recommended several times now. Straight from the horse's mouth...

 

BTW:

 

con·serve

verb

kənˈsərv/

1.

protect (something, especially an environmentally or culturally important place or thing) from harm or destruction.

 

That doesn't imply being change-averse but it does imply being thoughtful and reflective. You should try it sometime! (Seriously.)

[blackstar212]

Yeah next thing you are going to tell us is how the conservatives are fighting tooth and nail for the LGTB community. ROARING LAUGHTER.

[Brian]

Yeah next thing you are going to tell us is how the conservatives are fighting tooth and nail for the LGTB community. ROARING LAUGHTER.

Are you aware President Trump was the first a to hold up a "rainbow flag" at a campaign event?

 

In fairness, Trump isn't really a conservative.

 

Of course, conservatives don't go for class warfare so no special rights for special classes of people. Equal rights for every individual and equal treatment under the law. Novel concept, eh?

[blackstar212]

Really equal rights? That is a complete joke. Just a little more equal for the rich.

[Brian]

Really equal rights? That is a complete joke. Just a little more equal for the rich.

You ignorant polemics honestly make you look quite foolish to those people who have put forth the energy and taken the time to do personal research.

 

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

 

-- Abraham Lincoln (a Republican, BTW)

[Brian]

Really equal rights? That is a complete joke. Just a little more equal for the rich.

You might want to reread "Animal Farm" (now that's a joke! You are going to read anything which might threaten the surety of your convictions).

[blackstar212]

I have read Animal farm it is a good book. Written by a democratic socialist. A huge critic of dictatorships.

[ralis]

Are you aware President Trump was the first a to hold up a "rainbow flag" at a campaign event?

 

In fairness, Trump isn't really a conservative.

 

Of course, conservatives don't go for class warfare so no special rights for special classes of people. Equal rights for every individual and equal treatment under the law. Novel concept, eh?

 

 

Some conservative groups are tyrannical and seek to marginalize persons that are weaker, have less opportunity, are part of an ethnic minority, LGBT and so forth. That is why laws have been written to protect the rights of those with very little power either economic or political.

[blackstar212]

Brian would LOVE to eliminate those protections. I can only imagine why?

[ralis]

Brian would LOVE to eliminate those protections. I can only imagine why?

 

 

He is right out of the Anton Scalia mold of constitutional originalism and seems to lean toward Social Darwinism.

Edited April 10, 2017 by ralis

[Gerry]

Taxation for unauthorized expenditures is theft. Taxation for authorized expenditures is in accordance with an agreement -- it is trade.

 

So am I right to say all of my taxation that goes to expenditure that I do not "authorize", or would not if asked, are thefts?  HELP I've been robbed!  

 

You and I are never consulted in this spending of OPM.  The best we get is a chance to select our thieves.

[Gerry]

[..]

In fairness, Trump isn't really a conservative.

Now we agree on this.  Jared and Ivanka are going to convert this presidency into a New York Liberal's state of mind.

[Gerry]

 

 I suspect that those voices we elect as our say in these matters will not avoid this future.  I see not effort on the part of "conservative" voices to alter this future.  Neither entitlement programs nor DOD expenses are going to face radical reductions.

 

So when will the default wars begin? 

[Gerry]

It isn't, Gerry.

I beg your pardon.  If it were not true, Americans would move to a system of HC that avoids these out comes.  Perhaps you mean these are the ignominies we must endure as the cost of our freedoms.

[Gerry]

Oh, yes -- gotta love an ideology which is founded on dragging people kicking and screaming. Thanks for the delightfully​ appropriate imagery to accompany your tyrannical pipedream!

 

Perhaps you should put that on a bumper sticker? "An idea so great that you'll have to be dragged to it kicking and screaming"

HAAA!

 

By the way Universal HC of any kind in America is a pipedream.   "dragged to it kicking and screaming" ???  I thought you got the sheep into the pen by using a "snarling" dog.  The sheep will use what ever is there and will get there by indifference and ignorance.   It will be you and I that will bellow our political posturings.

Edited April 10, 2017 by Gerry

[Brian]

I have read Animal farm it is a good book. Written by a democratic socialist. A huge critic of dictatorships.

You may have noticed that I wrote "reread"??? You have missed the point. That book was written by a democratic socialist as a warning -- much like "1984" -- not against limited-government conservatives but against the more radical ambitions of the hard-left. EngSoc and Oligarchical Collectivism are not reflections of governmental minimalism...

[Brian]

So am I right to say all of my taxation that goes to expenditure that I do not "authorize", or would not if asked, are thefts? HELP I've been robbed!

 

You and I are never consulted in this spending of OPM. The best we get is a chance to select our thieves.

Did your predecessors grant the authority? We can talk, for instance, about whether maintaining a navy is done at the proper scale or whether the USPS is structured properly but those are powers your State's voters approved with a two-thirds majority to be delegated to the Federal government. If you think the postal service is something which should be removed from the Federal government, there is a clearly defined process for making such a change which has been employed dozens of times before. There's also a clearly defined process for making such a change if Congress is unwilling to participate, but that one hasn't been used -- yet...

[Brian]

I suspect that those voices we elect as our say in these matters will not avoid this future. I see not effort on the part of "conservative" voices to alter this future. Neither entitlement programs nor DOD expenses are going to face radical reductions.

 

So when will the default wars begin?

Unfortunately, I think you are right here, Gerry.

 

I anticipate a Convention of States within the next few years.

[Brian]

I beg your pardon. If it were not true, Americans would move to a system of HC that avoids these out comes. Perhaps you mean these are the ignominies we must endure as the cost of our freedoms.

Bullshit.

 

You are making the claim that the only reason people don't want Washington to completely take over the healthcare delivery system is because those people love to see others go bankrupt and die in the streets. It is central planning or nihilism??? Really?!? Oh, and not just nihilism but gleeful and malicious contempt for fellow man?

 

That argument is so ridiculous that it really doesn't need to be countered, but merely highlighted for the absurdity it is.

 

Out of curiosity, do you have any idea what percentage of the US population is currently receiving medical benefits from Medicare, Medicaid or the VA?

[Brian]

HAAA!

 

By the way Universal HC of any kind in America is a pipedream. "dragged to it kicking and screaming" ??? I thought you got the sheep into the pen by using a "snarling" dog. The sheep will use what ever is there and will get there by indifference and ignorance. It will be you and I that will bellow our political posturings.

I prefer to consider my fellow human beings as sovereign individuals rather than as stupid & ignorant domesticated animals who need to be manipulated by their superiors.

 

Your​ viewpoint is duly noted, though.