BK Frantzis's 'Taoist Sexual Meditation'

[morning dew]

I was curious to read up about (Taoist) Sexual Qigong, but there didn't seem to be a huge amount of stuff on Amazon. There was mainly Mantak Chia, which seems to get warnings on here, or a load of 'new-agey' books that seemed to be mixing up Taoist (again, mainly Mantak Chia) and Tantric techniques with sexology, etc.

 

This year I started Cloud Hands and Wu Tai Chi in a class taught by an Energy Arts teacher, so I thought I would check out BKF's book. I'm aware that he tends to get quite a polarised response (people seem to love or hate him), but I thought it was interesting. I'm an amateur bumbler, however, so I have no way to gauge how effective it would be.

 

I was wondering if anybody had actually got any mileage out of the book and, if not, if anybody had any other books to recommend that they had found of practical use.

[Bruce Qi]

I had it and sold it , didnt like it at all , the only book I have gotten anything from in regards to sexual practice is ron james "energy orgasm" book. Very natural , non forced and very powerful if studied right.

[Sloppy Zhang]

Well, it sort of depends on what you are looking for. I personally really enjoyed the Daoist Sexual Meditation book. I also got a bit of a tune up from a live seminar last year.

 

One important thing to keep in mind (and I'm not sure how much he mentions this in the book, I'll have to check) is that the book is about Daoist Sexual Meditation, and not Sexual Qigong. If you are looking specifically for Qigong, look elsewhere.

 

That is to say, Daoist Sexual Meditation will help give you the extra juice to dissolve and resolve blockages. He talks about the Dissolving method in his other books, "Relaxing Into Your Being," "The Great Stillness," "The Dao of Letting Go", and "Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body" (if you can only afford one, get the Energy Gates book).

 

Sexual Qigong is more about energizing the body, increasing sensation, increasing sexual performance/duration, etc etc. 

 

At least, that's from the perspective from the tradition of which Bruce is a lineage holder. Other traditions may have different definitions of things. But from what I recall at the last seminar, that's how Bruce broke it down.

[morning dew]

I had it and sold it , didnt like it at all , the only book I have gotten anything from in regards to sexual practice is ron james "energy orgasm" book. Very natural , non forced and very powerful if studied right.

 

Fair enough. Thanks for the feedback. I shall have to add his book to the list.

[morning dew]

Well, it sort of depends on what you are looking for. I personally really enjoyed the Daoist Sexual Meditation book. I also got a bit of a tune up from a live seminar last year.

 

One important thing to keep in mind (and I'm not sure how much he mentions this in the book, I'll have to check) is that the book is about Daoist Sexual Meditation, and not Sexual Qigong. If you are looking specifically for Qigong, look elsewhere.

 

That is to say, Daoist Sexual Meditation will help give you the extra juice to dissolve and resolve blockages. He talks about the Dissolving method in his other books, "Relaxing Into Your Being," "The Great Stillness," "The Dao of Letting Go", and "Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body" (if you can only afford one, get the Energy Gates book).

 

Sexual Qigong is more about energizing the body, increasing sensation, increasing sexual performance/duration, etc etc. 

 

At least, that's from the perspective from the tradition of which Bruce is a lineage holder. Other traditions may have different definitions of things. But from what I recall at the last seminar, that's how Bruce broke it down.

 

Thanks for taking the time to write that. It was very interesting to read.

 

I didn't realise he was still doing live seminars on Doaist sexual meditation. Was it by something like Skype or did you attend in person?

 

I've only read Daoist Sexual Meditation once, but it's as you say: the bulk of the practices is all focused on dissolving, not on sexual qigong as other people seem to define it. [From what I can remember, he divides the practices into three main categories: ordinary physical sex, sexual qigong (outer dissolving) and sexual meditation (inner dissolving).]  I also have Relaxing into your Being and Opening the Energy Gates. I must dig them out again and have a more in-depth look on all the dissolving. They are good recommends, IMO.

 

My main motivation is health (although I thought it might be an interesting/fun thing to try with somebody). I do a bit of outer dissolving by myself at the moment but was curious as to how much more effective it actually was to do dissolving with somebody else. Also, he says it's more powerful, but I was wondering as well if it was just a quantitive difference or whether there was any qualitative difference. That is, if you dissolved by yourself, would you still get to the same point as doing it with somebody else even though it might take a bit longer and more effort? Or are you getting something extra when you do it with somebody else?

 

Edited April 4, 2017 by morning dew

[Sloppy Zhang]

Thanks for taking the time to write that. It was very interesting to read.

 

I didn't realise he was still doing live seminars on Doaist sexual meditation. Was it by something like Skype or did you attend in person?

 

I've only read Daoist Sexual Meditation once, but it's as you say: the bulk of the practices is all focused on dissolving, not on sexual qigong as other people seem to define it. [From what I can remember, he divides the practices into three main categories: ordinary physical sex, sexual qigong (outer dissolving) and sexual meditation (inner dissolving).]  I also have Relaxing into your Being and Opening the Energy Gates. I must dig them out again and have a more in-depth look on all the dissolving. They are good recommends, IMO.

 

My main motivation is health (although I thought it might be an interesting/fun thing to try with somebody). I do a bit of outer dissolving by myself at the moment but was curious as to how much more effective it actually was to do dissolving with somebody else. Also, he says it's more powerful, but I was wondering as well if it was just a quantitive difference or whether there was any qualitative difference. That is, if you dissolved by yourself, would you still get to the same point as doing it with somebody else even though it might take a bit longer and more effort? Or are you getting something extra when you do it with somebody else?

 

 

I was just at a two day course, so we didn't get way into it and I'm not a regular practitioner or an expert   so there's the disclaimer.

 

The biggest hurdle (at least in my opinion) is that it truly is a two person practice that requires two practitioners to actually be doing it. At least what Bruce seems to be teaching is it's a two way street, and not something you can do one sided (though I'm sure there are those practices out there).

 

From that standpoint, it seems to be more of a "performance multiplier" than anything else. As in, regular meditation will give you 1x the performance. Having a second person help you dissolve a blockage gives you 2x the performance. And adding sexual energy gives you 2x the performance to that, for a total of 4x the meditative ability to dissolve a blockage. 

 

I'm not sure if there's something you can only get from a partner practice that you wouldn't get out of a normal practice (aside from the obvious stuff). But from a long term meditation standpoint I'm sure you'll be fine because there are people who become enlightened without practicing sexual meditation. But again, who knows 

[morning dew]

Oh, well, if you're not an expert, I'll just have to ignore all your comments.

 

Seriously though, yeah, I seem to remember him mentioning the 4x boost in the book. Did you try out simple things like handholding and dissolving hands in the seminar? Did you actually notice a boost yourself?

 

I think another advantage he mentions in the book of doing it with someone else is along the lines of some blockages can be very painful to deal with, so it makes the process a lot more bearable if you're doing something pleasurable at the same time.

 

If there are any other advantages, I guess I'll just have to plod along without them for the time being. The probability of me being inducted into a secret Taoist group, like he was, is pretty minimal at the moment.

[Sloppy Zhang]

Oh, well, if you're not an expert, I'll just have to ignore all your comments.

 

Seriously though, yeah, I seem to remember him mentioning the 4x boost in the book. Did you try out simple things like handholding and dissolving hands in the seminar? Did you actually notice a boost yourself?

 

I didn't do much of the partner practices during the seminar itself. But that's just me being weird about who i'm sharing meditative space with and not wanting to open up too much 

 

In the times I have done it with a partner, I'll say I got some good stuff out of it. I'm not a master and neither was my partner, but it definitely had a different quality to it. Were we at the 2x or 4x mark? Probably not, just needs more practice 

 

 

I think another advantage he mentions in the book of doing it with someone else is along the lines of some blockages can be very painful to deal with, so it makes the process a lot more bearable if you're doing something pleasurable at the same time.

 

If there are any other advantages, I guess I'll just have to plod along without them for the time being. The probability of me being inducted into a secret Taoist group, like he was, is pretty minimal at the moment. 

 

Well, as I mentioned up above, there are plenty of meditation masters that ascended quite fine without sexual practices 

 

As far as secret Taoist groups, well, to be fair, he did live in Taiwan/China for several years and became fluent. Get yourself the Rosetta Stone China package and start looking for jobs in Taiwan or China 

[morning dew]

I didn't do much of the partner practices during the seminar itself. But that's just me being weird about who i'm sharing meditative space with and not wanting to open up too much 

 

In the times I have done it with a partner, I'll say I got some good stuff out of it. I'm not a master and neither was my partner, but it definitely had a different quality to it. Were we at the 2x or 4x mark? Probably not, just needs more practice 

 

 

 

I don't find that particularly weird, personally. I'm not really a big fan of random energy work, especially in a sexual context. Also, from what I can remember from his book, he said there were a lot of people turning up to his seminars just for the sex lol. I can imagine that happens all the time in 'Tantric' workshops as well.

 

Ah, interesting to see it had a different quality to it with your partner.

 

 

Well, as I mentioned up above, there are plenty of meditation masters that ascended quite fine without sexual practices 

 

As far as secret Taoist groups, well, to be fair, he did live in Taiwan/China for several years and became fluent. Get yourself the Rosetta Stone China package and start looking for jobs in Taiwan or China 

 

 

HA! I'm aiming to be working online, so maybe I'll end up over there at some point and join one.