London Bridge

[Chang]

It has not been mentioned yet but Election Day in the U.K. is Thursday. Obviously any atrocity committed by the extremists on that day would provide maximum kudos for their corrupted and despicable cause.

[Brian]

It's also worth investigating the histories of some of the countries in Europe which have not rolled out the red carpet, like Hungary (about 0.3% Muslim population), Romania (0.3%) and Poland (0.1%), for instance.  Starting points might be the battle of Targoviste in 1462, the battle of Calugarini in 1595, and the battle of Vienna in 1683 -- and the situations which precipitated those incidents.  I think they haven't forgotten.

[Nungali]

Its a different situation down here , we just had another small scale incident   BUT  like the last one , the guy has a known long term record of criminal violence, abuse, ice addiction and links with terrorist organisations ,  got caught several times, did time in jail a few times (ever since he got here as a kid apparently ) , then was let out on parole !  The last one was even issued a gun license !    WTF ? ! 

 

So the confidence in authorities is very lacking.   

 

 

[windwalker]

10 hours ago, Marblehead said:

Indeed.  It seems none of our leaders have read "The Art Of War".

 

For most leadership positions in the military its required reading along with other books written by famous generals, MA ect, the book of five rings  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Five_Rings comes to mind along with Genghis Khan http://genghiskhan.fieldmuseum.org/behind-the-scenes/establishing-an-empire/battle-tactics among others.

 

The real problem has been and is with the civilian leadership not understanding war, what it is,  what it means, how to conduct it.

Edited June 6, 2017 by windwalker

[Michael Sternbach]

53 minutes ago, windwalker said:

For most leadership positions in the military its required reading along with other books written by famous generals, MA ect, the book of five rings  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Five_Rings comes to mind along with Genghis Khan http://genghiskhan.fieldmuseum.org/behind-the-scenes/establishing-an-empire/battle-tactics among others.

 

The real problem has been and is with the civilian leadership not understanding war, what it is,  what it means, how to conduct it.

 

Simply reading these books isn't the same thing like understanding them.

[Marblehead]

Excellent point.  The politicians should stay out of the conduct of war.  They approve or not.  That is all.

 

[windwalker]

6 minutes ago, Michael Sternbach said:

 

Simply reading these books isn't the same thing like understanding them.

Ones understanding starts to get real good when ones life depends on what one is doing...If one is not living the life, than yes they make good reading material. 

If one is engaged with an active enemy it helps in understanding what they may or may not be doing.

 

The problem arises as it always does when a population has forgotten or has not been exposed to war, what it means, and what it does.  They watch it from home on the TV thinking they get it.....some unfortunately do after the fact when others watch them on TV as the latest casualty. 

Edited June 6, 2017 by windwalker

[Michael Sternbach]

20 minutes ago, windwalker said:

Ones understanding starts to get real good when ones life depends on what one is doing...If one is not living the life, than yes they make good reading material. 

If one is engaged with an active enemy it helps in understanding what they may or may not be doing.

 

The problem arises as it always does when a population has forgotten or has not been exposed to war, what it means, and what it does.  They watch it from home on the TV thinking they get it.....some unfortunately do after the fact when others watch them on TV as the latest casualty. 

 

Experience only leads to wisdom if you have the time and emotional distance to reflect on it.

[Brian]

24 minutes ago, Michael Sternbach said:

 

Experience only leads to wisdom if you have the time and emotional distance to reflect on it.

Yes.

 

Have an experience, survive that experience, reflect on that experience, apply the results to a future experience.

 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

Wisdom is cultivated through observation.

[Brian]

It is as rare as a unicorn (well... almost) but it is also possible to glean wisdom from observing the experiences of others.

[Taomeow]

On 6/4/2017 at 6:35 AM, Apech said:

 

 

Victims are certainly on both sides BUT the root cause is Islamic terrorism. 

 

 

 Invented by Zbigniew Brzezinski, who convinced president Jimmy Carter, back in 1979, to incorporate it (literally -- by creating corporations manufacturing it) into the arsenal of tools employed to manipulate various countries, usually toward either their colonization or their demise.

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

 

Here's something else that has caught my eye -- something pretty incredible, actually. 

 

https://explorables.cmucreatelab.org/explorables/annual-refugees/examples/webgl-timemachine/

 

You can click on the name of the country and see what happened there that caused the flow of refugees to start pouring out of it in a particular year (the presentation covers only 2000--2014).  Every dot represents 17 refugees.  Note the sudden influx of a vast stream of refugees into Russia in 2014 -- from the "aggressee" Ukraine to the "aggressor" if you believe what was being reported...  strange, isn't it?..  320,000 all of a sudden, 2 million in the course of the year.  No Muslims there...  but the pattern of manufactured conflict/taking sides in a manufactured war/displacement of peaceful civilians/influx of refugees into whatever countries will take them/terrorist attacks in those countries that took them --

is pretty much identical.

Edited June 6, 2017 by Taomeow

[Apech]

6 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

 Invented by Zbigniew Brzezinski, who convinced president Jimmy Carter, back in 1979, to incorporate it (literally -- by creating corporations manufacturing it) into the arsenal of tools employed to manipulate various countries, usually toward either their colonization or their demise.

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

 

Here's something else that has caught my eye -- something pretty incredible, actually. 

 

https://explorables.cmucreatelab.org/explorables/annual-refugees/examples/webgl-timemachine/

 

You can click on the name of the country and see what happened there that caused the flow of refugees to start pouring out of it in a particular year (the presentation covers only 2000--2014).  Every dot represents 17 refugees.  Note the sudden influx of a vast stream of refugees into Russia in 2014 -- from the "aggressee" Ukraine to the "aggressor" if you believe what was being reported...  strange, isn't it?..  320,000 all of a sudden, 2 million in the course of the year.  No Muslims there...  but the pattern of manufactured conflict/taking sides in a manufactured war/displacement of peaceful civilians/influx of refugees into whatever countries will take them/terrorist attacks in those countries that took them --

is pretty much identical.

 

 

That's an amazing graphic! and quite scary too.

 

 

[Gerard]

On 04/06/2017 at 7:16 PM, Apech said:

At least this time we hopefully won't have statements like 'we'll never know why this happened'.

 

Karma is always the reason of why these events occur:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-is-now-the-second-biggest-arms-dealer-in-the-world-a7225351.html

 

Since the UK is a Christian country:

 

"...He that killed with the sword must be killed with the sword." (Revelation 13:9-11)

 

Sadly civilians have to suffer first those consequences due to the immoral actions of politicians and the merchants of death.

 

But it is a highly lucrative business to the UK (also US, Russia, France and China).

 

When are ordinary citizens going to wake up and cleanse their corrupt Gov.?

 

https://incapp.org/blog/?p=613

 

Wolves controlling the flock of peaceful sheep. 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2017 by Gerard

[Apech]

4 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Karma is always the reason of why these events occur:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-is-now-the-second-biggest-arms-dealer-in-the-world-a7225351.html

 

Since the UK is a Christian country:

 

"...He that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword." (Revelation 13:9-11)

 

Sadly civilians have to suffer first those consequences due to the immoral actions of politicians and the merchants of death.

 

But it is a highly lucrative business to the UK (also US, Russia, France and China).

 

When are ordinary citizens going to wake up and cleanse their corrupt Gov.?

 

https://incapp.org/blog/?p=613

 

Wolves controlling the flock of peaceful sheep. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well there's clearly something to that - but whatever karma a woman sitting in a bar at night who gets stabbed 15 times by a crazed Wahhabi - what has she got to do with arms sales?  Probably nothing.  So why aren't the politicians who approve the arms deals getting it in the neck???  I think all this self hate thinking gets us no closer to an answer.  In fact it makes it worse and quickly becomes part of problem.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2017 by Apech

[Apech]

To put it another way:

 

If an all night store gets held up at gun point - we don't say 'stupid store keeper for opening all hours'

If a person gets mugged - we don't say 'stupid person walking home with a wallet in their pocket'

If a woman gets raped - we don't say 'stupid girl for going out like that'

If a bank gets robbed - we don't say 'stupid bankers storing all that money in a vault'

BUT when a country has a horrific criminal terror attack - you do say 'well look at the Iraq war and arms trade - what do they expect its karma!'

 

Get real.  Blame the terrorists not the country that gave them refuge.

Edited June 7, 2017 by Apech

[Brian]

For those who are wondering, the uptick in attacks around the world over the last ten days or so is part of a tradition.  The message this year, entitled "Where are the lions of war?" read in part:

"Muslim brothers in Europe who can’t reach the Islamic State lands, attack them in their homes, their markets, their roads and their forums."

"Do not despise the work. Your targeting of the so-called innocents and civilians is beloved by us and the most effective, so go forth and may you get a great reward or martyrdom in Ramadan.”

 

Last year's Ramadan was the most violent on record.

 

For those who wonder, Ramadan is a month-long annual "fast" (not a real month-long fast, mind you, but more serious than the anti-Trump "fast" at Yale University this Spring) to celebrate the day in 610 when Mohammed received his first message from Gabriel, which is recorded in the 96^th chapter of the Koran.

 

Why the 96^th chapter, you ask?

 

Well...  That's a long story...

[Michael Sternbach]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

 Invented by Zbigniew Brzezinski, who convinced president Jimmy Carter, back in 1979, to incorporate it (literally -- by creating corporations manufacturing it) into the arsenal of tools employed to manipulate various countries, usually toward either their colonization or their demise.

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

 

This is in direct support of what I said here:

 

and generally on this thread. Thanks, Tao-Kitty!

 

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

Here's something else that has caught my eye -- something pretty incredible, actually. 

 

https://explorables.cmucreatelab.org/explorables/annual-refugees/examples/webgl-timemachine/

 

You can click on the name of the country and see what happened there that caused the flow of refugees to start pouring out of it in a particular year (the presentation covers only 2000--2014).  Every dot represents 17 refugees.  Note the sudden influx of a vast stream of refugees into Russia in 2014 -- from the "aggressee" Ukraine to the "aggressor" if you believe what was being reported...  strange, isn't it?..  320,000 all of a sudden, 2 million in the course of the year.  No Muslims there...  but the pattern of manufactured conflict/taking sides in a manufactured war/displacement of peaceful civilians/influx of refugees into whatever countries will take them/terrorist attacks in those countries that took them --

is pretty much identical.

I

Very impressive.

[shazlor]

 

9 hours ago, gendao said:

 

Edited June 7, 2017 by shazlor

[Gerard]

7 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

Well there's clearly something to that - but whatever karma a woman sitting in a bar at night who gets stabbed 15 times by a crazed Wahhabi - what has she got to do with arms sales?  Probably nothing.

 

Because that is her karma. From an event that was unsolved x lifetimes before.

 

Karma is not always instant (more evolved souls experience this one) or later on in their lives, younger souls go through non-linear karma (one that is experienced many lifetimes later).

 

The gravity of the unethical/immoral act will determine the quality of the future life + plane of existence where one is reborn.

 

Rebirth in hell is a very scary and nasty place but I can assure you every single one of us has been reborn in that dreadful place at one point in our samsaric journey. 

 

7 hours ago, Apech said:

 

So why aren't the politicians who approve the arms deals getting it in the neck???  

 

 

They will have to repay that karmic debt in a future lifetime, dear friend...unfortunately.

 

Btw, since you are a follower of ancient Egyptian thought:

 

"To be true of voice was to live in accordance with Maat’s dictates: “Cool of mouth, friendly and silent, quiet of heart, harmonious of nature, free from passions.” Such was the sage of ancient Egypt."(https://www.theosophyforward.com/theosophical-encyclopedia/1238-ancient-egyptian-religion-part-two)

 

They were too very aware of the workings of karma...unlike the vast majority of modern humans especially rulers of society and profit-making individuals.

 

Best wishes
 

 

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

 

Because that is her karma. From an event that was unsolved x lifetimes before.

......
 

 

 

 

Well precisely - my point exactly, nothing to do with Iraq, Afghanistan or arms deals.

[Marblehead]

Iran got hit by terrorists this morning.  I wonder how the West is going to explain this.

 

 

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

Iran got hit by terrorists this morning.  I wonder how the West is going to explain this.

 

 

Rival Islamic States, one Sunni and one Shia.

 

I'd say it means ISIS is growing and is spitting in the faces of the Mullahs. I predict an increase in violence against Israel to regain Iranian "street cred."

[Marblehead]

I think ISIS will make a big mistake if they assault Israel.  The Israelis aren't just going to take it the way the West has.  And their first target, I think, would be Iran (biggest supporter of terrorism).

 

Edited June 7, 2017 by Marblehead

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

I think ISIS will make a big mistake if they assault Israel.  The Israelis aren't just going to take it the way the West has.  And their first target, I think, would be Iran (biggest supporter of terrorism).

 

I mean Iran will increase attacks on Israel, through their proxies.

 

The two Islamic States will clash directly in Iraq and Syria but Iran has the surrogates in place to increase attacks on Israel. Hezbollah is Iran's terrorist wing, named "Party of Allah."

[Apech]

54 minutes ago, Brian said:

I mean Iran will increase attacks on Israel, through their proxies.

 

The two Islamic States will clash directly in Iraq and Syria but Iran has the surrogates in place to increase attacks on Israel. Hezbollah is Iran's terrorist wing, named "Party of Allah."

 

 

Don't forget it is just karma LOL.