London Bridge

[Brian]

Thoughts and prayers for the people of London tonight

[windwalker]

condolences for loss of life.

 

I wonder when people will start to wake up.....

 

 

[Apech]

Seven death and 49 wounded by three men with knives - shot dead by police.

 

They stabbed people shouting 'this is for Allah' and drove their van into pedestrians on the Bridge itself.

 

At least this time we hopefully won't have statements like 'we'll never know why this happened'.  Tho' I imagine there'll still be some who say it was the Iraq war, the crusades, global warming, the patriarchy, lack of policing ... etc. etc.  

[Marblehead]

Sad that.  Your government will still find a way to right it off so that their immigration policy doesn't look faulty.

 

And people in the USA are wondering why Trump wants a stronger immigration policy for the USA.

 

 

[Michael Sternbach]

25 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

Sad that.  Your government will still find a way to right it off so that their immigration policy doesn't look faulty.

 

And people in the USA are wondering why Trump wants a stronger immigration policy for the USA.

 

 

 

Do you really think that will keep the terrorists away? Their organizations seem to be quite resourceful.

 

The root of the problem should be sought in the efforts of various Western governments to wage war in order to 'democratize' Middle Eastern countries - which they would never care about, if the latter didn't have any precious resources - especially oil -to offer, and which aren't really better off after Western intervention.

 

Focus most of all on the causes of war, rather than on its symptoms.

[Taoist Texts]

1 hour ago, Michael Sternbach said:

Focus most of all on the causes of war, rather than on its symptoms.

And don't forget to blame the victims!

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Michael Sternbach said:

 

Do you really think that will keep the terrorists away? Their organizations seem to be quite resourceful.

 

The root of the problem should be sought in the efforts of various Western governments to wage war in order to 'democratize' Middle Eastern countries - which they would never care about, if the latter didn't have any precious resources - especially oil -to offer, and which aren't really better off after Western intervention.

 

Focus most of all on the causes of war, rather than on its symptoms.

When did these "efforts of various Western governments to wage war in order to 'democratize' Middle Eastern countries" begin?

 

You are correct in your analysis except for the detail of root cause.

[Starjumper]

Victims are on both sides in this stuff.

 

One of the main reasons for creating problems and destabilizing the Middle East is because when combined with general world overpopulation it causes mass migration into Western countries in order to create problems and destabilize Western societies.  The enemy within, it's what the rulers want, to divide society in as many ways as possible and to have internal enemies.

 

Edited June 4, 2017 by Starjumper

[rene]

1 minute ago, Starjumper said:

Victims are on both sides in this stuff.

 

One of the main reasons for creating problems and destabilize the Middle East is to cause mass migration into Western countries in order to create problems and destabilize Western societies.  The enemy within, it's what the rulers want, to divide society in as many ways as possible and to have internal enemies.

 

You might be on to something there.

[Aetherous]

7 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

The enemy within, it's what the rulers want, to divide society in as many ways as possible and to have internal enemies.

 

For what purpose?

[Brian]

Absolutely he is.  History is replete with examples of civilizations rotting from within before falling to external attacks.  Nature is, too, on the organism and microcosm scales.

 

If a Bond villain type (or collection of them) wanted to crash Western civilization, how do you think he might approach it?

 

This isn't entirely accidental, you know.

[Apech]

13 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

Victims are on both sides in this stuff.

 

One of the main reasons for creating problems and destabilizing the Middle East is because when combined with general world overpopulation it causes mass migration into Western countries in order to create problems and destabilize Western societies.  The enemy within, it's what the rulers want, to divide society in as many ways as possible and to have internal enemies.

 

 

 

Victims are certainly on both sides BUT the root cause is Islamic terrorism.  So yes even the muslim communities in the west (who probably moved here to get away from unstable theocratic violent societies) are victims.  But our governments have allowed this by pussy footing around, frightened of being called racist or Islamophobic (made up word) and ending up protecting no one and allowing our values of freedom and equality to be eroded.

 

 

[Brian]

16 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

 

For what purpose?

Two.

 

He who wishes to rule creates division to fragment and distract potential opposition to his rule.

 

He who wishes to destroy creates division to pit neighbors against each other in order to fragment and distract potential opposition to destruction.

 

See why these two motivations might be aligned for a while?

[windwalker]

19 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

Victims are certainly on both sides BUT the root cause is Islamic terrorism.  So yes even the muslim communities in the west (who probably moved here to get away from unstable theocratic violent societies) are victims.  But our governments have allowed this by pussy footing around, frightened of being called racist or Islamophobic (made up word) and ending up protecting no one and allowing our values of freedom and equality to be eroded.

 

 

The problem is is that they moved to Western countries enmass bringing and using the same religious practices that they do in their own countries which is really the root cause of the problem.  

 

They say there are moderate but actually there are really no moderates otherwise they themselves would solve their own problem.

 

Unfortunately the blind sheep in Western societies don't seem to understand there are wolves that live among them.  When is a wolf a wolf, hopefully one knows before it blows your house up.

Edited June 4, 2017 by windwalker

[Aetherous]

22 minutes ago, Brian said:

See why these two motivations might be aligned for a while?

 

No.

[lifeforce]

41 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

 

For what purpose?

Depopulation.

[Aetherous]

3 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

Depopulation.

 

20 or so people at a time, every few months? Aren't there more effective ways?

 

The world isn't even overpopulated.

Edited June 4, 2017 by Aetherous

[lifeforce]

Just now, Aetherous said:

 

20 or so people at a time, every few months? Aren't there more effective ways?

Not that way. By pitting man against man, religion against religion, lifestyle Vs lifestyle, eventually culminating in rebellion, reaction and civil war. 

Research 'The Kalergi Plan' and ' The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion' and all will become clear.

[Starjumper]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

 

Victims are certainly on both sides BUT the root cause is Islamic terrorism.  So yes even the muslim communities in the west (who probably moved here to get away from unstable theocratic violent societies) are victims.  But our governments have allowed this by pussy footing around, frightened of being called racist or Islamophobic (made up word) and ending up protecting no one and allowing our values of freedom and equality to be eroded.

 

That is a sort of superficial story that the mass media wants you to think.  Look deeper, follow the money, it's all part of a much bigger plan.

[Apech]

12 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

That is a sort of superficial story that the mass media wants you to think.  Look deeper, follow the money, it's all part of a much bigger plan.

 

 

Well, maybe you're right - but as I have lived in Manchester and grew up in London it's all a little too close to home to think about the big picture and not the immediate horror of these events.  I knew a lot of Muslims and worked with many in Manchester (including teaching them English in a voluntary project) and the one's I met were good people - intelligent, caring for their families and wanting a good future.  That's my experience but I accept we are all probably pawns in some bigger game.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2017 by Apech

[Starjumper]

1 hour ago, Aetherous said:

 

20 or so people at a time, every few months? Aren't there more effective ways?

 

The world isn't even overpopulated.

 

In my opinion there is a population surplus of at least 99%.  In this the rulers and I are in agreement, however I dislike their methods.

 

There are many ways of implementing population control and I think just about all of them being used extensively.

 

My main teacher, who was so psychic that he was effectively omniscient, who could see the future, said several years ago:  "many will die", and you can be certain that is an understatement.

 

Around that time my political viewpoint changed to: "run for the hills"

Edited June 4, 2017 by Starjumper

[Brian]

A storm is coming.

[Apech]

16 minutes ago, Brian said:

A storm is coming.

 

 

Thank you Ned Stark.

[Chang]

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
 When the English began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.

Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred,
 It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.
 

[Aetherous]

Antisemitic conspiracy theories which overestimate the intelligence and power of the so-called elite...these stories just weaken us.

In reality, there's an actual problem and a solution. Islamism, and the eradication of it from the Earth. It's in our hands, not some imaginary elite.