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[voidisyinyang]

5 hours ago, Kongming said:

 

In other words, to see real spirit of Western culture look at Greco-Roman antiquity, Classical art and architecture,

 

So you keep claiming ancient Greek is Indo-European but I just posted the DNA science stating that Greeks are mainly from the first farming migrants from the Near East - not from the later Bronze Age plague peoples.

 

So  the old  Aryan  'Empire'   to refer to the OP claim is non-existent.

 

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'These results suggest the Minoan civilization arose 5,000 years ago in Crete from an ancestral Neolithic population that had arrived in the region about 4,000 years earlier.

'Our data suggest that the Neolithic population that gave rise to the Minoans also migrated into Europe and gave rise to modern European peoples.'

 

So Minoan culture was more "civilized" than the ancient "classical" Greeks - and yet Minoan culture was NOT Indo-European.

 

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'About 9,000 years ago there was an extensive migration of Neolithic humans from the regions of Anatolia that today comprise parts of Turkey and the Middle East,' he said.

 

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Indeed, the Minoan shared the greatest percentage of their mitochondrial DNA variation with European populations, especially those in Northern and Western Europe.

 

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Dr Stamatoyannopoulos and his team analysed samples from 37 skeletons found in a cave in Crete’s Lassithi plateau and compared them with mitochondrial DNA sequences from 135 modern and ancient human populations.

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"Our data suggest that the Neolithic population that gave rise to the Minoans also migrated into Europe and gave rise to modern European peoples.'

George Stamatoyannopoulos, professor of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington

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Minoan Palace Ruins at Knossos: The Minoan culture, Europe's first advanced civilisation, arose on the Mediterranean island of Crete in approximately the 27th century BC and flourished for 12 centuries

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html

 

The Nature of the Mycenaean Wanax: Non-Indo-European Origins ...

sites.utexas.edu/scripts/files/2016/07/palaima_1995a.pdf

NON-INDO-EUROPEAN ORIGINS AND PRIESTLY FUNCTIONS*. The wanax is the central figure of authority in Mycenaean society. This much is clear from:.

 

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Neither term used in the Mycenaean documents (wanax), in Homer (wanax or basileus), in connection with "kingship" has a convincing Indo-European etymology.

 

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We can detect the importation and implementation of such an ideology ...at Mycenae....a period of strong Minoan influence.

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by voidisyinyang

[voidisyinyang]

Minoan Religion and the Ancient Greeks

Tom Hermes, Dickson College, 2011

 

https://cliojournal.wikispaces.com/Minoan+Religion+and+the+Ancient+Greeks

 

So much for the ancient Greek Indo-European religion. haha.

 

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Up until their civilisation’s downfall, the Minoans were very advanced in societal terms when compared with the relatively primitive Greek society of the period and were thus considered role models in many ways.

 

Kongming: WRONG:

 

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Though one area where the Indo-Europeans or Aryans certainly were advanced and influential is in religion, mysticism, esotericism, philosophy etc. The influence of various traditions ranging from Brahmanism to Zoroastrianism to Greek thought to Druidism to Buddhism to Manichaeism, etc. on other religious traditions and peoples has been massive.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/science/a-warriors-grave-at-pylos-greece-could-be-a-gateway-to-civilizations.html

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The palaces found at Mycene, Pylos and elsewhere on the Greek mainland have a common inspiration: All borrowed heavily from the Minoan civilization that arose on the large island of Crete, southeast of Pylos.

 

 

This 3,500-Year-Old Greek Tomb Upended What We Thought We Knew About the Roots of Western Civilization

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/golden-warrior-greek-tomb-exposes-roots-western-civilization-180961441/

 

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In other words, it isn’t the Mycenaeans or the Minoans to whom we can trace our cultural heritage since 1450 B.C., but rather a blending of the two.

The fruits of that intermingling may have shaped the culture of classical Greece and beyond.

 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by voidisyinyang

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

So you keep claiming ancient Greek is Indo-European but I just posted the DNA science stating that Greeks are mainly from the first farming migrants from the Near East - not from the later Bronze Age plague peoples.

 

So  the old  Aryan  'Empire'   to refer to the OP claim is non-existent.

 

So Minoan culture was more "civilized" than the ancient "classical" Greeks - and yet Minoan culture was NOT Indo-European.

 

 

 

George Stamatoyannopoulos, professor of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html

 

The Nature of the Mycenaean Wanax: Non-Indo-European Origins ...

sites.utexas.edu/scripts/files/2016/07/palaima_1995a.pdf

NON-INDO-EUROPEAN ORIGINS AND PRIESTLY FUNCTIONS*. The wanax is the central figure of authority in Mycenaean society. This much is clear from:.

 

 

 

 

 " Given that the timing of the first Neolithic inhabitants to reach Crete 9,000 YBP coincides with the migration of Neolithic farmers out of Anatolia, it is highly probable that the same ancestral population that spread to Europe also spread to Crete and contributed to the founding of the early Minoan civilization,” the authors wrote in 2013. “It has been suggested that in addition to agricultural methods, the Anatolian farmers also brought with them the Indo-European language. The current prevailing hypothesis is that the Minoan language was unrelated to the Indo-European family. Alternatively, as suggested by Renfrew, Proto-Minoan was one of the branches derived from the Proto-Indo-European language about 9,000 YBP.”

 

It is interesting to note that Minos was a son of Zeus and the Phoenician mortal Europa, who gave Europe its name. Some mythographers say Europa was not a mortal but was the Great Goddess of Indo-European religions.

 

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/origins-mysterious-minoans-unraveled-scientists-004388

[Nungali]

Possible Origins of Greek-Persian Connections

It is our impression that Greek-Persian connections can be traced to the era following the creation of the sixteenth Aryan land, Ranghaya, the last Aryan land to be mentioned in the Zoroastrian scriptures, the Avesta (please see our map the Aryan lands). The following are some factors that lead us to this impression: 

- In mythology, there appear to be connections Aryan, Hittite and Greek mythology (see Parallels in Greek & Aryan Myth above).
- In Greek mythology Persephone, Perseus & Perses appear to record elements of the connection.
- The legend of Prometheus centres around the Caucasus Mountains
- From Ranghaya, Aryan groups could have fanned out and continued spreading along the Aryan trade roads:
   - north to Caucasus Mountains, and from there along the southern Black Sea coast
   - West to the Hittite lands and
   - Further west to the shores of Asia Minor to what would become Ionian Greece
   - By this reasoning the earlier pre-Greek settlements would have been the west and northwest coasts of Asia Minor
   - South-west to the Mitanni and Aramaean lands
   - South-east to Media (alternatively Media could have emerged from the twelfth Vendidad land, Ragha)
   - South-south-east to Persia
- Aryan traders would have maintained interaction between the different groups
- Greeks referred to Greek allies of Persia as Medized Greeks, considering Persians to be Medes
- King Darius the Great gave Greek aristocrats special access to the Persian court
- The establishment of the Persian empire by Cyrus included for the main part historic Aryan lands or lands along the Aryan trade roads .

 

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/olympicflame/page2.htm#parallels

[voidisyinyang]

35 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 " Given that the timing of the first Neolithic inhabitants to reach Crete 9,000 YBP coincides with the migration of Neolithic farmers out of Anatolia, it is highly probable that the same ancestral population that spread to Europe also spread to Crete and contributed to the founding of the early Minoan civilization,” the authors wrote in 2013. “It has been suggested that in addition to agricultural methods, the Anatolian farmers also brought with them the Indo-European language. The current prevailing hypothesis is that the Minoan language was unrelated to the Indo-European family. Alternatively, as suggested by Renfrew, Proto-Minoan was one of the branches derived from the Proto-Indo-European language about 9,000 YBP.”

 

It is interesting to note that Minos was a son of Zeus and the Phoenician mortal Europa, who gave Europe its name. Some mythographers say Europa was not a mortal but was the Great Goddess of Indo-European religions.

 

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/origins-mysterious-minoans-unraveled-scientists-004388

 

right but you're ignoring the research I already posted from a more recent 2015 study:

 

Europe's fourth ancestral 'tribe' uncovered

See above for "remedial education" on your part.

 

Now - considering that the supposition of INdo-European Language spoken is antiquated based on the new DNA research -

 

all we need to do is search the citations that referred to the 2013 study you cite.

 

So the follow up studies that take into account REnfrew's argument - still did not cite this later genetic study of the "fourth" tribe.

 

So now I have to check for the updates on that study.

 

I got 70 hits. So I searched "greece" within those hits. So I have 10 hits.

 

First hit:

 

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The Steppe in the Early Bronze Age has been supported as a source of at least some Indo-European languages entering North-Central Europe at that time⁴. In southern Mediterranean Europe, however, our results suggest lower impacts. Any significant Steppe/northern component may have arrived in the south Balkan mainland and southern Italy only later, by which time Indo-European languages of the Italic, Greek and various Balkan branches had already established themselves there. This would suggest that a Bronze Age Steppe source may be not highly consistent with all branches of the Indo-European family (see also Broushaki et al.⁴⁰).

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4?WT.feed_name=subjects_genetics&error=cookies_not_supported

 

2nd hit:

 

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We find that whereas the lineages date mainly to the Neolithic in central Europe and Iberia, they largely date to the Late Glacial period in central/eastern Mediterranean Europe. This supports a scenario in which the genetic pool of Mediterranean Europe was partly a result of Late Glacial expansions from a Near Eastern refuge, and that this formed an important source pool for subsequent Neolithic expansions into the rest of Europe.

 

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/284/1851/20161976

 

3rd hit:

 

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The only Greek sub-population showing close genetic proximity to Cypriots (in terms of Y-haplogroup composition) is Cretan Greeks (Figs 3 and 4). It could be speculated that Cypriots and Cretans experienced very similar migratory events over the centuries, which were characterized by high influx from populations rich in haplogroups J2a and G2, and moderate in R1b, while very limited influx from populations rich in haplogroups R1a and I (Eastern and Northern/Central Europe), as well as from populations rich in J1 (Middle East) and E-M81 (North Africa).

 

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474

 

4th hit:

 

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We show that the people who brought farming to Europe were not part of a single population, as early farmers from southern Greece are not descended from the Neolithic population of northwestern Anatolia that was ancestral to all other European farmers. The ancestors of the first farmers of northern and western Europe passed through southeastern Europe with limited admixture with local hunter-gatherers, but we show that some groups that remained in the region mixed extensively with local hunter-gatherers, with relatively sex-balanced admixture compared to the male-biased hunter-gatherer admixture that we show prevailed later in the North and West. After the spread of farming, southeastern Europe continued to be a nexus between East and West, with intermittent steppe ancestry, including in individuals from the Varna I cemetery and associated with the Cucuteni-Trypillian archaeological complex, up to 2,000 years before the Steppe migration that replaced much of northern Europe's population.

 

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/30/135616

 

5th hit: pdf link

 

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zuzana_Hofmanova/publication/303935406_Supplementary_Information_for_Hofmanova_et_al_2016_PNAS/links/575eee6208ae414b8e547411/Supplementary-Information-for-Hofmanova-et-al-2016-PNAS.pdf

 

I gotta type this one out:

 

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Early farmers from across Europe directly descended from Neolithic Aegeans

 

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The Mesolithic and Neolithic Period in Greece.

 

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The earliest Early Neolithic sites in Greece are found at....Knossos (6700 BCE)

 

So that pdf linked to another pdf on Indo-European languages - 2015 - so later then your citation. HOld.

 

6th hit:

Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272195060_Massive_migration_from_the_steppe_is_a_source_for_Indo-European_languages_in_Europe

 

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These results provide support for the theory of a steppe origin of at least some of the Indo-European languages of Europe.

 

O.K. - 7th hit:

 

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982216308508

 

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Our results confirm that the earliest Neolithic central Anatolians belonged to the same gene pool as the first Neolithic migrants spreading into Europe. Further, genetic affinities between later Anatolian farmers and fourth to third millennium BC Chalcolithic south Europeans suggest an additional wave of Anatolian migrants, after the initial Neolithic spread but before the Yamnaya-related migrations. We propose that the earliest farming societies demographically resembled foragers and that only after regional gene flow and rising heterogeneity did the farming population expansions into Europe occur.

 

So that is interesting - a "third" wave of migrants - before the Yamnaya but after the initial wave.

 

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Here we show that the genomes of Aceramic and Pottery Neolithic populations in central Anatolia belonged to the same group as northwestern Neolithic Anatolians and the first European farmers but were distinct from European and Caucasus foragers.

 

8th hit:

 

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During the major warming period after ~14,000 years ago, a genetic component related to present-day Near Easterners became widespread in Europe.

 

https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v534/n7606/abs/nature17993.html

 

9th hit:
 

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Here we analyze 55 complete human mitochondrial genomes (mtDNAs) of hunter-gatherers spanning ∼35,000 years of European prehistory. We unexpectedly find mtDNA lineage M in individuals prior to the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM). This lineage is absent in contemporary Europeans, although it is found at high frequency in modern Asians, Australasians, and Native Americans. Dating the most recent common ancestor of each of the modern non-African mtDNA clades reveals their single, late, and rapid dispersal less than 55,000 years ago. Demographic modeling not only indicates an LGM genetic bottleneck, but also provides surprising evidence of a major population turnover in Europe around 14,500 years ago during the Late Glacial, a period of climatic instability at the end of the Pleistocene.

 

 

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982216000877

 

10th hit:

 

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We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ancestry from a ‘Basal Eurasian’ lineage that had little if any Neanderthal admixture and that separated from other non-African lineages before their separation from each other. The first farmers of the southern Levant (Israel and Jordan) and Zagros Mountains (Iran) were strongly genetically differentiated, and each descended from local hunter–gatherers. By the time of the Bronze Age, these two populations and Anatolian-related farmers had mixed with each other and with the hunter–gatherers of Europe to greatly reduce genetic differentiation. The impact of the Near Eastern farmers extended beyond the Near East: farmers related to those of Anatolia spread westward into Europe; farmers related to those of the Levant spread southward into East Africa; farmers related to those of Iran spread northward into the Eurasian steppe; and people related to both the early farmers of Iran and to the pastoralists of the Eurasian steppe spread eastward into South Asia.

 

https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/abs/nature19310.html

 

Now this last hit was the real zinger.

 

Remember I posted the linguistic evidence of an AFro-Semitic origin of the fetishized word "Aryan" that you all love to fixate on - Aria and Arya and whatever.

 

So the DNA evidence backs up that linguistic evidence. Indo-European language and culture is really not much isolated from Near East farming culture....

 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by voidisyinyang

[Nungali]

You seem confused .  Why should DNA evidence and linguistic evidence  show that IE languages and culture IS  isolated from near east farming ? 

 

You dont seem to realise what you are arguing ... which is a shame after all the racing around the internet you dd looking for evidence that you seem to think supports whatever it is you are trying to say . ....  and all that copying and pasting ( not to mention the highlighting and playing with the size button .

 

I especially liked the bit where you seemed surprised when you discovered there were 'waves of farmers' and others coming into an area. 

 

Not only that ....  hold o to your hats folks  a giant revelation is about to be made ;

 

people also , just might have ... gone in and out of areas and back and forwards !  

 

Its a simple  exercise to track movement ; up out of Ethiopia , follow the coast line, as I said earlier , cross the two sandbars over the red Sea and Persian Gulf entrance .   Tracking the coast is a good way to go east west there without getting lost. Ingress to the north was up the  Red Sea and the Persian Gulf, into Mesopotamia .  Or cross the sand bar and keep going along the coast to the east and you get to the North Arabian Sea  shore line , one can ingress north there as well,  

 

Then you get to the Indus , after that the coast goes south .  The Indus and  areas west offer ingress up and over into lower Central Asia  another good settlement area .  All well before the bronze age .  Keep going and you in the Steppe , or take a right and into China ....   you are either following land forms or the coast east west ot going north south using the stars ( which you cant do going east west )

 

All the routes were already well established and people going back and forwards, then  we are heading towards the Bronze age and sea travel .   Places like Dilman , between  the Indus centres and Sumer and Qatar, back across the water shows  Babylonian  presence . 

 

The next stage was a re-meeting in Central Asia, the Steppe people came 'down'  the indus people came 'up'  ( there were trading centres in Central Asia showing signs of early Indus culture )  there were people already living there (in Places like Kara- kum (now) desert .  Then a   ' culture'  or a 'connection between people'  started to develop, that was later  to be known as Aryan , named after the country they first formed that cultural connection 'hub'  and or  enclave .

 

The PIE languages may have been developed as a 'trade language' 

 

The influences  out of PII culture  were equally  cyclic, 'in and out'   ..... SOME  of those influences went into Europe and joined in with other influences there or coming into it . 

 

Just as several components came together to form the 'Aryans '   

 

One must really get away from all this  straight line , orderly progression models  ...  (  especially if one  professes to be a Daoist or  understand 'the void'     ) 

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by Nungali

[Nungali]

Ohhh ... I  nearly forgot   to offer a sample of ...

 

 

Spoiler

The giant crazy font sizes you like that so much make one's point hammer home regardless of how mixed up it is or out of context the reference papers, links and comments are     

A post just isn't the same without them .  eh  what ? 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by Nungali

[Marblehead]

Well, I guess using the large font is better than getting all emotional in our words.

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

You seem confused .  Why should DNA evidence and linguistic evidence  show that IE languages and culture IS  isolated from near east farming ? 

 

You dont seem to realise what you are arguing ... which is a shame after all the racing around the internet you dd looking for evidence that you seem to think supports whatever it is you are trying to say . ....  and all that copying and pasting ( not to mention the highlighting and playing with the size button .

 

I especially liked the bit where you seemed surprised when you discovered there were 'waves of farmers' and others coming into an area. 

 

Not only that ....  hold o to your hats folks  a giant revelation is about to be made ;

 

people also , just might have ... gone in and out of areas and back and forwards !  

 

Its a simple  exercise to track movement ; up out of Ethiopia , follow the coast line, as I said earlier , cross the two sandbars over the red Sea and Persian Gulf entrance .   Tracking the coast is a good way to go east west there without getting lost. Ingress to the north was up the  Red Sea and the Persian Gulf, into Mesopotamia .  Or cross the sand bar and keep going along the coast to the east and you get to the North Arabian Sea  shore line , one can ingress north there as well,  

 

Then you get to the Indus , after that the coast goes south .  The Indus and  areas west offer ingress up and over into lower Central Asia  another good settlement area .  All well before the bronze age .  Keep going and you in the Steppe , or take a right and into China ....   you are either following land forms or the coast east west ot going north south using the stars ( which you cant do going east west )

 

All the routes were already well established and people going back and forwards, then  we are heading towards the Bronze age and sea travel .   Places like Dilman , between  the Indus centres and Sumer and Qatar, back across the water shows  Babylonian  presence . 

 

The next stage was a re-meeting in Central Asia, the Steppe people came 'down'  the indus people came 'up'  ( there were trading centres in Central Asia showing signs of early Indus culture )  there were people already living there (in Places like Kara- kum (now) desert .  Then a   ' culture'  or a 'connection between people'  started to develop, that was later  to be known as Aryan , named after the country they first formed that cultural connection 'hub'  and or  enclave .

 

The PIE languages may have been developed as a 'trade language' 

 

The influences  out of PII culture  were equally  cyclic, 'in and out'   ..... SOME  of those influences went into Europe and joined in with other influences there or coming into it . 

 

Just as several components came together to form the 'Aryans '   

 

One must really get away from all this  straight line , orderly progression models  ...  (  especially if one  professes to be a Daoist or  understand 'the void'     ) 

 

 

 

 

Can you find one mention of the Aryans in the 10 peer-reviewed science studies of the ancient Greeks?

 

Nope - because there is none.

 

haha. You're the one confused - the source you keep relying on did not even know that Strabo referred to the Tocharians in Bactria!!

 

Hilarious.

 

I didn't just "cut and paste" - I read and analyzed peer-reviewed science.

 

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Why should DNA evidence and linguistic evidence  show that IE languages and culture IS  isolated from near east farming ? 

 

Why are you even asking this question? The studies I posted are the latest science research and clearly answer that question.

 

Do I need to explain the "cut and pastes" I did? haha.

 

Was it too difficult for you to understand?

 

The science is quite clear now - if you want to ignore science - trust me, you're not alone. haha.

 

Let me summarize the evidence I presented.

 

1) - the North European and West European Indo-European language sources are DIFFERENT than Southeast Europe.

 

2) Farming on Greece was the first to develop in Europe and started around 9,000 BCE based on early farmers escaping the ecological destruction from farming in the Levant.

 

3) Farmers - that is white people - left Georgia, eastern Europe and migrated into the northern Caucacus - and then Yamnaya peoples - so 50% of the Indo-European Yamnaya tribe is from this farming group - separate from the Anatolian farmers.

 

4) The Yamnaya pastoralists were originally from the Anatolian earlier farmers - and migrated up from Iran into the Steppe.

 

5) Greeks are 20% or less Indo-European DNA while 30% hunter-gatherer DNA and 50% Near Eastern farmer DNA.

 

6) The Crete Minoan DNA goes back to 9,000 years old and the oldest farming archaeology in Greece is on Knossos from 6400 BCE - so this is long before any Bronze Age merging of Near Eastern anatolian farmers and the Yamnaya Indo-European pastoralists.

 

7) There was a 2nd migration of Near Eastern anatolian farmers into Crete that was before the Yamnaya Indo-European migration into Europe but after the mixing of the Yamnaya and Near Eastern farmers.

 

8) There is no "pure" Aryan culture or "Aryan" language as has been claimed on this thread - there is Caucasoid Phenotype of Northern Europe since light colored eyes are from albinism of AFrican Hunter-gathers - which was the original source for both Indo-Europeans and northern Europeans. Before 14,500 Europe was dark skinned - and Asian looking - with a major turn over after the Ice Age as migrations went into Asia and North America. Aryan as a word is from AFro-Semitic language so it's not even originated from IndoEuropean language. Aryan as a "nation" was much later than any of the IndoEuropean chariot cultures being referred to. So it's completely impossible that there was an "Aryan" Europe as has been claimed on this thread or an "old Aryan Empire" - and even though quote words were used to some how "code" the reference - coded language is often the norm for neo-nazi propaganda.

 

9) Taoism is traced back in archaeology to 6000 BCE in China - long before any "contact" with IndoEuropeans and so any claim that Taoism is from IndoEuropeans is false. Sure could the word "Tao" have an IndoEuropean origin? Does Lao Tzu refer to the "hub" of a wheel with "spokes" - like a Chariot's wheel? The Shang used the chariot ceremoniously and it was adopted from IndoEuropean culture - and with the Zhou the Chariot became a means of amassing armies of power. But Taoism itself is much older and from African roots.

 

10) Before 8,000 BCE Europe was also African in culture - and so it's not surprising that Taoist alchemy principles are found archaeologically from 6000 BCE. Sweden was African in culture up to 5,000 BCE. White skin is only 10,000 years old at the latest since light colored eyes is alibinism without necessarily having light skin color. This is why Africans also have green and blue eyes while having dark skin.

[Brian]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

Ohhh ... I  nearly forgot   to offer a sample of ...

 

 

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The giant crazy font sizes you like that so much make one's point hammer home regardless of how mixed up it is or out of context the reference papers, links and comments are     

A post just isn't the same without them .  eh  what ? 

 

 

I'm convinced.  Please stop.

 

Wait...

 

Do you have a master's degree?

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[voidisyinyang]

8 minutes ago, Brian said:

I'm convinced.  Please stop.

 

Wait...

 

Do you have a master's degree?

 

That's what I told the cop after she busted me for snoring in full lotus on the toilet in the handicap bathroom in Fowell Hall where eugenics was the focus of studies when it was a leftist progressive discipline along with sanitation - "growing the better man crop" is what the U of MN called it - and when Hitler took over Germany with Wall St. money - then he was praised by the eugenic leftist progressive scientists.

 

The cop wasn't interested in my master's degree. haha.

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

I'm convinced.  Please stop.

 

Wait...

 

Do you have a master's degree?

 

Still sitting in full lotus.

 

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“Aegean Neolithic populations can be considered the root for all early European farmers and their colonization routes. A key remaining question is whether this unbroken trail of ancestry and migration extends all the way back to southeastern Anatolia and the Fertile Crescent, where the earliest Neolithic sites in the world are found. Regardless of whether the Aegean early farmers were ultimately descended from western or central Anatolian, or even Levantine hunter-gatherer, the differences between the ancient genomes presented here and those from the Caucasus indicates that there was considerable structuring of forager populations in southwest Asia prior to the transition to farming.”

 

http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2015/11/first-neolithic-genomes-from-greece.html

 

citing and discussing

 

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/11/25/032763

 

which is in my list above, 4th hit.

 

 

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[voidisyinyang]

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. Our study provides the coup de grâce to the notion that farming spread into and across Europe via the dissemination of ideas but without, or with only a limited, migration of people. ...

Recent radiocarbon dating indicates that by 6,600–6,500 calibrated (cal) BCE sedentary farming communities were established in northwestern Anatolia at sites such as Barcın, Menteşe, and Aktopraklık C and in coastal western Anatolia at sites such as Çukuriçi and Ulucak, but did not expand north or west of the Aegean for another several hundred years (5). All these sites show material culture affinities with the central and southwestern Anatolian Neolithic (6).

Early Greek Neolithic sites, such as the Franchthi Cave in the Peloponnese, Knossos in Crete, and Mauropigi, Paliambela, and Revenia in northern Greece date to a similar period (7⇓–9).

....Neolithic Aegeans were unlikely to have been lactase persistent but carried derived SLC24A5 rs1426654 and SLC45A2 rs16891982 alleles associated with reduced skin pigmentation. ...This suggests that these reduced-pigmentation–associated alleles were at appreciable frequency in Neolithic Aegeans and that skin depigmentation was not solely a high-latitude phenomenon (SI Appendix, SI12. Functional Markers).

 

White skin "pure caucasoid phenotype" from Near Eastern farmers! haha. Hilarious.

 

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886.full

 

 

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[Nungali]

4 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

Can you find one mention of the Aryans in the 10 peer-reviewed science studies of the ancient Greeks?

 

I said it was from pre -history  right at the beginning so ummmmm   noooo ... historical evidence doesnt show it  ..... except for things like  this ... and others  ...

 

Oh look , there is  Aria ... the country of the Aryans ;

 

 

Ptolemy - World (90-168 CE)

 

 

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Nope - because there is none.

 

haha. You're the one confused - the source you keep relying on did not even know that Strabo referred to the Tocharians in Bactria!!  

 

Not anymore it doesn't .... it's been edited     

 

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Hilarious.

 

I didn't just "cut and paste" - I read and analyzed peer-reviewed science.

 

Oh ?  How come your careful analysis revealed  ; 

 

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Was it too difficult for you to understand?

 

......

2) Farming on Greece was the first to develop in Europe and started around 9,000 BCE based on early farmers escaping the ecological destruction from farming in the Levant.   ....

 

6) The Crete Minoan DNA goes back to 9,000 years old and the oldest farming archaeology in Greece is on Knossos from 6400 BCE - so this is long before any Bronze Age merging of Near Eastern anatolian farmers and the Yamnaya Indo-European pastoralists.

 

 

8) There is no "pure" Aryan culture or "Aryan" language as has been claimed on this thread -

 

Where was that claimed  ?   Except by you,   in your Nazi rant ? 

 

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there is Caucasoid Phenotype of Northern Europe since light colored eyes are from albinism of AFrican Hunter-gathers - which was the original source for both Indo-Europeans and northern Europeans. Before 14,500 Europe was dark skinned - and Asian looking - with a major turn over after the Ice Age as migrations went into Asia and North America.

 

And, you are one that harps on about skin colour  - not once have I mentioned it or associated it with anyone .

 

 

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Aryan as a word is from AFro-Semitic language so it's not even originated from IndoEuropean language.

 

 

Wonderful   .... since you previously rated on about ot meaning ' noble '   which came from a Sanskrit translation        

 

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Aryan as a "nation" was much later than any of the IndoEuropean chariot cultures being referred to. So it's completely impossible that there was an "Aryan" Europe as has been claimed on this thread

 

Oh please  ....  point out where I said there was an  " Aryan Europe " .... I would love to see that  

 

 

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or an "old Aryan Empire" - and even though quote words were used to some how "code" the reference - coded language is often the norm for neo-nazi propaganda.

 

Ohhhh , I see, I didnt actually say any of that ... but YOU knew what I was up to eh ?  Thats why you keep changing what I wrote t what I really mean  .....    and I am the neo nazi propagandist  ?  

 

..... this just gets better and better    

 

 

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9) Taoism is traced back in archaeology to 6000 BCE in China - long before any "contact" with IndoEuropeans and so any claim that Taoism is from IndoEuropeans is false.

 

yes, any claim made like that would be   false .

 

Give you a post or two and I am sure you will be claiming it yourself .....  you can then refute it after spending hours of close scrutiny over peer reviewed papers to prove what no one said is not true . 

 

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Sure could the word "Tao" have an IndoEuropean origin? Does Lao Tzu refer to the "hub" of a wheel with "spokes" - like a Chariot's wheel? The Shang used the chariot ceremoniously and it was adopted from IndoEuropean culture - and with the Zhou the Chariot became a means of amassing armies of power. But Taoism itself is much older and from African roots.

 

Oh !   I never made that connection before !  Thanks   (now  to shuffle some dates and lie about that so I can add it to my nefarious story   )  

 

 

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10) Before 8,000 BCE Europe was also African in culture - and so it's not surprising that Taoist alchemy principles are found archaeologically from 6000 BCE.

 

yes ... those 'principles' can last a long time underground ... until someone digs them up  

 

 

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Sweden was African in culture up to 5,000 BCE. White skin is only 10,000 years old at the latest since light colored eyes is alibinism without necessarily having light skin color. This is why Africans also have green and blue eyes while having dark skin.

 

More racist ramblings  . 

 

here is a hint .... look at the development of ' domestication of livestock'  instead of anything so general and blurry as  'farming' .

 

Farming started al over the place in different areas . It dodnt have to start in one area and then spread . That's  an old school British Empire Old Boys  imperialism .....  oh , hang on ...  

 

old school British Empire Old Boys  imperialism

 

 1st ; Pigs , goats, sheep ,  Mesopotamia ,    afterwards   Cattle   - Indus area . 'Bactrian camel '  transport . The horse people were from the north .... a mixing is what allowed  the expansion of farming  ( ever tried plowing with a goat or a pig ?  Its rather hard work   . 

 

Anyone else can put the pieces together  ....  I know you cant ,  but that's okay  . . 

 

 

 

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

9 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

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Oh please  ....  point out where I said there was an  " Aryan Europe " .... I would love to see that  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Greece was subject to invasions of waves of Aryans - the Dorians, Ionians and Corinthians and the Greek civilisation established. They spread to Crete and built the Minoan civilisation.

http://www.aryanunity.com/arun7.html

 

Dang - this is hilarious!

 

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On 7/3/2017 at 9:37 PM, Nungali said:

 

 

 

  Europeans 'Aryans'

 

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/how-iran-and-aryan-are-connected-1.293071

 

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arya was never a pan-Indo-European word

OP WRONG:

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 the old  Aryan  'Empire'    that stretched  from  (now ) western China to (now ) Turkey  ,  'Caucasian Chinese mummies '

 

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[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Brian said:

I'm convinced.  Please stop.

 

Wait...

 

Do you have a master's degree?

 

No But I have an M A   ( McDonald's Apprentice  .....     in long distance woman orgasm causing  via  Qi  )   

[Nungali]

20 minutes ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

http://www.aryanunity.com/arun7.html

 

Dang - this is hilarious!

 

 

 

Sure is !  Are you now trying to claim that I have written the  ARYAN UNITY BULLETIN 
No.7 - November 2001 ?   

 

Have you had today's  meds yet ?  

[Nungali]

I even said the term PIE is misleading and I prefer the more modern designation of PII    ie .... I even removed  the Eropean word and replaced it with Iranian 

 

and quoting two words together ... out of a whole post  -  to prove I am a Nazi ....classic  !   

 

lets see what I can come up with f I do that to you ? 

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[Apech]

1 minute ago, Nungali said:

 

Sure is !  Are you now trying to claim that I have written the  ARYAN UNITY BULLETIN 
No.7 - November 2001 ?   

 

Have you had today's  meds yet ?  

 

 

Stop being literally Hitler.

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

Taoism is  IndoEuropeans

 

[Nungali]

10 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

Stop being literally Hitler.

 

 

next thing he will discover my secret Moon base  ! 

 

 

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

 

Nungali Lie:

 

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4 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

Taoism is  IndoEuropeans

 

 

My truth:

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Taoism is from IndoEuropeans

 

See - you removed a word.

 

I never removed a word from your quote.

 

See the difference?

 

Now about your PII embrace? Back to the Aryans we go!

 

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Graeco-Aryan unity would have become divided into Proto-Greek and Proto-Indo-Iranian by the mid 3rd millennium BC.

http://www6.dict.cc/wp_examples.php?lp_id=1&lang=en&s=Indo-Iranian

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[voidisyinyang]

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The analysis of DNA from the Lassithi cave is a "valuable contribution," said Colin Renfrew, an archaeologist from the McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research at the University of Cambridge, who was not involved in the study. However, to make a clearer connection to the Anatolian migration, the researchers should have compared the Minoan DNA with more DNA samples from modern and ancient Anatolia, he said

 

 

 

https://aratta.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/indo-europeans/

 

so a great analysis of competing theories on origins of Proto-Indo-European language tied to R1a genetics.

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

O.K. now to blow this whole Aryan-Graeco myth out of the water:

 

 

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Our results firmly place an early Knossian

farming community in the first half of the seventh millennium BC.

 

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315958765_Dating_Knossos_and_the_arrival_of_the_earliest_Neolithic_in_the_southern_Aegean

 

[voidisyinyang]

 

 

McAryans - the Aryans are EVERYWHERE!!

 

The diffusion of Mediterranean culture and civilisation in Prehistoric and Ancient China

http://greekhistoryandprehistory.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-diffusion-of-mediterranean-culture.html