Brian Posted July 18, 2017 10 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said: Thats a superior price are you going to trade in the bugatti? You could get 4 ripsaws. I live in a rural area with miles of off road trails and un maintained class 4 roads accessed from my house.The ripsaw is a bit overkill for my trails so the side by side utv does just fine. These trading routes are used mainly by animals so lots of deer and black bears. The black bears keep stealing my trash cans and bring them into the woods for a bite to eat. One night our cat brought us a present, a squirrel located right outside the front door which I stepped on .I picked it up and threw it of the deck hitting a deer in the yard by accident. This week my sister was visiting staying in the downstairs bedroom and there was a baby brown bunny in here room from leaving the doors open. I could not believe she shut the door and went to sleep. She said to me A baby bunny is not going to hurt me. I am going severely off topic but the influence of trading routes or trails around me have a direct impact it is just when the bears are on the deck that's not so cool with me. Some of those bunnies have sharp, pointy teeth, you know... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 18, 2017 All Easter Bunnies are nice though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wu Ming Jen Posted July 18, 2017 That is so true. run away, run away 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted July 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Nungali said: yeah ..... that was my point ... . They worried about snakes and spiders when they come here , yet they have bears at home ! UNless ...... Reveal hidden contents Holy shit! I knew that cute & cuddly routine was a facade. Sneaky bastards... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted July 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Nungali said: and Plato argued against rule by force and might being right , he was Greek wasnt he Quote "Thus Plato has the dubious honor of being one of the first thinkers in the Western tradition to advocate death for a thought-crime." https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwig1Jv5oJTVAhWFD8AKHWTrCBwQFgg-MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpolitics.virginia.edu%2Fgeorgeklosko%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F8%2F2016%2F09%2Fplato6.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHmMvparUxcTJ6UbHgt6pS8kabF_g pdf Plato's Political Theory. Quote Persuasion and Force in Platonic Politics - Princeton University www.princeton.edu/~mslane/lane_Persuasion_English Recently and powerfully revived in Platonic scholarship has been the claim that .... and virtue, does not rule out force as a possible means of inculcating virtue. See it's not what Plato said or didn't say that is the issue as much as his wrong mathematics! . Quote There Socrates says that the task of a good citizen, a task in which Pericles and the other putatively great politicians of Athens were scarcely if at all superior to their usually reviled successors , is that of ‘using persuasion or force (peithontes kai biazomeno) to get the citizens to become better (ameinous)’ (517b, my modification of translation).# This passage underlines the fact that the standard contrast is deployed as often to yoke the two alternatives together as possible means, as it is sharply to distinguish them as legitimate and illegitimate means respectively. It also demonstrates that the deep Platonic link between knowledge, as attained by reason, and virtue, does not rule out force as a possible means of inculcating virtue. So your "pop-science" reading of Plato is wrong. As I stated http://peterkingsley.com has pointed out that Plato was wrong about Physis - and not just Physis - Plato was wrong about real Pythagorean philosophy based on complementary opposites, natural resonance, as Taoist philosophy. You say I want to ban anything not to do with Taoism? Nope I just don't want to fixate on the fake solutions. Quote Cyrus the Great in Biblical Prophecy : Christian Courier https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/264-cyrus-the-great-in-biblical-prophecy Isaiah refers to Cyrus as Jehovah's “shepherd,” the Lord's “anointed,” who was providentially appointed to facilitate the divine plan. God would lead this monarch ... Is Donald Trump a Modern-Day Cyrus? — Charisma News www.charismanews.com › Opinion › In the Line of Fire Mar 10, 2016 - First, Cyrus, a non-Israelite king, is called God's anointed, a term ... as a vessel of divine judgment, was called by God to send the Jewish ... Cyrus The Great Favored By God - VEDA www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Cyrus_The_Great_Favored_By_God.txt Feb 21, 2009 - Why does God in the Bible glorify a pagan Persian king? ... We can all learn from Cyrus that we are brothers and sisters of the same divine God, .. Quote The Travels of Cyrus: To which is Annexed, a Discourse Upon the ... https://books.google.com/books?id=TuCxrr2YbngC Ramsay (Chevalier, Andrew Michael), Nicolas Fréret - 1814 - Mythology All the soldiers sent up shouts of joy, and looked upon the prince of Persia as a divine man sent by the gods to save Sparta in her weak and tottering condition. Quote Cyrus the Great - Livius www.livius.org › Articles › Person › Cyrus the Great Jul 1, 2017 - Cyrus takes Babylon: the capture of Babylon by the Persian king Cyrus the ... We may speculate that Cyrus considered himself to be on a divine ... And then you claim repeatedly that because I didn't "authenticate" your quote with the "stamped" date and time - therefore it was not a "real" quote. haha. That is quite a claim. I already went back and re-posted your quote with your "required" date and time "official stamp" to "certify" it as "really" from you - as if you can deny something until proven otherwise. You pretend you didn't write something because it wasn't "stamped" correctly? haha. That's hilarious. Nice standards. Then you have to make reference to ejaculation and before you replied to me with a porn shot of New Age Egyptian Ma'at as a porn goddess. That's because of your energy level btw and maybe the mods would consider that harassment on your part - but then I suppose the mods standards are too low on this website. haha. Yep - that's real "authenticate" Taoist training. haha. Hilarious. Good luck with your fake analysis of Aryans. Hilarious. I was wondering why you kept being so squirrelly about why "Caucasian mummies" did not refer to old Aryan Empire "race" - haha. Oh course not even though you put the "Caucasian mummies" in the same sentence in your OP then soon after referred to "Aryan Europe" and then claimed that Europeans came from Indo-Iranians, not Indo-Europeans. haha. Then when I called you on it - you state - Europeans are not from Indo-Europeans but rather were more influenced by Prometheus as a Zoroastrian God. haha. Good luck getting over those hang ups about your secret Aryan influence of Europe fixation. Again it has nothing to do with Taoism. But you see that a lot on this website - what do you expect from Westerners supposedly interested in Taoism - most of them here can't get over their other preoccupations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted July 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Nungali said: ;You say I gloss over the invasion then you say there is evidence for 'change when they entered ' D N A evidence of an invasion ? I dont think you really know what you talking about http://raiot.in/the-aryan-invasion-theory-is-finally-proven-right-science-1-hindu-right-wing-0/ Quote To cut a long story short, the genetic evidence suggests that the Aryan Invasion Theory is probably on the money. http://raiot.in/the-aryan-invasion-theory-is-finally-proven-right-science-1-hindu-right-wing-0/ Of course you don't know what I'm talking about - because for you "ignorance is bliss" - Quote A more recent paper by 16 researchers led by Martin Richards is consistent with the Moorjani paper, and provides much more emphatic evidence. Quote What’s more, it really was an invasion and not a peaceful migration. Quote What’s more, the dating of this infusion (around 2000 BCE) matches the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilisation to an astonishing degree. Quote The genetic evidence very clearly and strongly suggests an invasion of India by men from Central Asia. The Aryan Invasion Theory was therefore on the money. Quote Let’s think about this for a moment. No infusion of matrilineal DNA occurred during the 2000 BCE period, but there was an infusion of patrilineal DNA at that time. In other words, a large group consisting almost exclusively of men entered India at that time. What’s the probability that this was an army as opposed to a nomadic community of men, women and children? I’d have to say the evidence very strongly suggests an armed invasion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted July 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Marblehead said: And after all, the Koala is related to the Tasmanian Devil. Genetically or culturally ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted July 19, 2017 Aryan Invasion theory debunked ; The 'Indian view ' http://indiafacts.org/aryan-invasion-myth-21st-century-science-debunks-19th-century-indology/ " The Northern people in India got especially sucked into this interpretation of history because it made the “Aryan” northerners appear racially closer to the white races of Europe." http://uwf.edu/lgoel/documents/amythofaryaninvasionsofindia.pdf Gosh , that one makes the Aryan Invasion theory seem racist ! " There was no Aryan invasion- the Rigvedic people were already established in India no later than 4000 BCE. This means as correctly pointed out by Suzanne Marie Sullivan Aryans invading Indus valley was a hoax . " https://www.quora.com/Is-Aryan-invasion-theory-correct-or-not ' One of the main ideas used to interpret—and generally devalue—the ancient history of India is the theory of the Aryan invasion. " https://www.sol.com.au/kor/16_01.htm " an inter-continental research in cellular molecular biology has debunked the Aryan invasion theory. " http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-new-research-debunks-aryan-invasion-theory-1623744 " The Aryan invasion theories and the eternal nature of caste are for India similar to ... is increasing evidence that the Aryan invasions never took place." http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reichlab/Reich_Lab/Press_files/Fountain Ink - December 2013 - Cover.pdf "It is not widely known that the European quest to appropriate the highly prized library of Sanskrit’s ancient spiritual texts motivated the construction of the “Aryan” race identity, one of the ideological roots of Nazism " http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/how-europeans-misappropri_b_837376.html According to that one , people who try to prove Aryan Invasion Theory support nazisim I could go on .... but I do say chaps ,,, its all rather old fashioned English post-Victorian, semi-occult imperialist stuff ,eh what ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Nungali said: Genetically or culturally ? Yes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted August 8, 2017 Quote To show how lacking in diversity R1a1a is, here are the results of a 2016 paper which performed whole genome sequencing on the Y. Instead of relying on the order of 10 to 100 SNPs, this paper discover over 65,000 Y variants worldwide. Notice how little difference there is between different South Asian groups below, indicative of a massive population expansion relatively recently in time which didn’t even have time to exhibit regional population variation. They note that “The most striking are expansions within R1a-Z93 [the South Asian clade], ~4.0–4.5 kya. This time predates by a few centuries the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilization, associated by some with the historical migration of Indo-European speakers from the western steppes into the Indian sub-continent.” https://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/04/20/aryan-marauders-from-the-steppe-came-to-india-yes-they-did/ Quote In sum, the balance of evidence suggests male mediated migration into South Asia from Central Asia on the order of ~4-5,000 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 8, 2017 I just last night watched something regarding the origin of the Tibetans. Seems they have a lot of Siberian genes. The guess is that Chinese migrated north into Siberia, interbred, and migrated south to the Himalaya Mountains. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted August 8, 2017 6 hours ago, Marblehead said: I just last night watched something regarding the origin of the Tibetans. Seems they have a lot of Siberian genes. The guess is that Chinese migrated north into Siberia, interbred, and migrated south to the Himalaya Mountains. I think you mean the Denisovan interbreeding in Siberia - and yes this also happened in China. Two skulls will be tested for Denisovan DNA in China. http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/two-fossil-skulls-discovered-in-china-may-have-belonged-to-mysterious-denisovans/ So - Europeans actually looked Afro-Asian before the last Ice Age - around 14,000 years ago and the last connection with East Asians was around 35,000 years ago. But we all are direct cousins just 7,000 generations in the past as humans are from a genetic bottle neck. A pack of chimpanzees is genetically more diverse than all modern humans - and then includes the interbreeding with other archaic hominids. https://phys.org/news/2016-03-world-neanderthal-denisovan-ancestry-modern.html So they scientists think that such "hybrids" of "two highly divergent groups of the same species" would have "reduced fertility" and so then reduced the impact of the interbreeding. Western Eurasians (the black dots on the map) had the least interbreeding with neanderthals and denisovans. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 8, 2017 3 hours ago, voidisyinyang said: I think you mean the Denisovan interbreeding in Siberia - and yes this also happened in China. Yes, you are correct. Thanks for correcting me. I still think I am a Neanderthal though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) On 7/14/2017 at 10:58 PM, voidisyinyang said: by the way Apeche - "native americans" is now commonly rejected along with "indians" - as the first peoples here were clearly not "Americans" as that is the name of the colonizers who committed genocide against the "Indians" etc. So indigenous or native peoples is more acceptable or the particular tribal name. North America = Turtle Island Quote "We did not ask you white men to come here. The Great Spirit gave us this country as a home. You had yours. We did not interfere with you. The Great Spirit gave us plenty of land to live on, and buffalo, deer, antelope and other game. But you have come here, you are taking my land from me, you are killing off our game, so it is hard for us to live. Now, you tell us to work for a living, but the Great Spirit did not make us to work, but to live by hunting. You white men can work if you want to. We do not interfere with you, and again you say why do you not become civilized? We do not want your civilization! We would live as our fathers did, and their fathers before them." - Crazy Horse (Sioux) Quote "They (Arawaks) would make fine servants... With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want" - Christopher Columbus (per Christian "Divine Discovery") Quote "We find that most of the English colonies sanctioned and encouraged scalping Indians." - John Stewart McLennan (Canadian Senator) Quote "The United States has unequivocally agreed...that [Divine] discovery gave an exclusive right to extinguish the Indian title of occupancy." - U.S. Supreme Court Quote "It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux. They are to be treated as maniacs or wild beasts and by no means as people with whom treaties or compromise can be made." - General John Pope (U.S. Army) Quote "The civilization of the Indians is impossible while the buffalo remain upon the plains." - Columbus Delano (U.S. Secretary of the Interior) Quote "I know of no other instance in history where a great nation has so shamefully violated its oath. Our country must forever bear the disgrace and suffer the retribution of its wrongdoing. Our children's children will tell the sad story in hushed tones, and wonder how their fathers dared so to trample on justice and trifle with God." - Henry Benjamin Whipple (Negotiator for the U.S.) Quote "Kill the Indian Save the Man" - Captain Richard H. Pratt (Founder of the Carlisle Indian School) Quote "There are but 2 goals for the Indians - civilization or annihilation." - Major George W. Baird (U.S. Army) Quote "[The Indian] must be imbued with the exalting egotism of American civilization so that he will say 'I' instead of 'We,' and 'This is mine' instead of 'This is ours.'" - John Oberly (U.S. Commissioner of Indian Affairs) Quote "Having wronged [the Indians] for centuries, we had better, in order to protect our civilization, follow it up by one more wrong and wipe these untamed and untamable creatures from the face of the earth." - L. Frank Baum (Editorial in the Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer) Quote "Something else died here in the bloody mud, and was buried in the blizzard. A people's dream died here. It was a beautiful dream... The nation's hoop is broken and scattered. There is no center any longer, and the sacred tree is dead." - Black Elk The irony is, WEIRDos today are the new natives...Mad Scientists are the new colonialists...and the handwriting is already on the wall for us... Edited August 28, 2017 by gendao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 27, 2017 This is why history should never be re-written. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted August 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, Marblehead said: This is why history should never be re-written. It could be rewritten as shitory --- but then why? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
