Marblehead Posted July 28, 2017 Wherever you hang your hat. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted July 28, 2017 I mean, really. There is gotta be a story about Shiny City? Shangri-la version? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 28, 2017 Okay. The real one is Las Vegas. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stonehouse Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) The Way is never apart from this very place. Why leave behind the place where you are to wander in vain through the red dust of other lands? If you make one misstep, you stumble past what is directly in front of you... Spoiler But the answer is obviously Hawaii. Edited July 28, 2017 by Stonehouse 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted July 28, 2017 So really, there is no mention of a hidden city in any Daoist scriptures? Then how come Shambala is in Tibetan Buddhism? They do have to have some cross references....? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stonehouse Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, qicat said: So really, there is no mention of a hidden city in any Daoist scriptures? Then how come Shambala is in Tibetan Buddhism? They do have to have some cross references....? Shambhala as a concept has been heavily muddied by western esotericism and the popular imagination. Like many other realms and world systems in Buddhist cosmologies, Shambhala is not a physical place so much as an idea which might be helpful to shape attitudes around practice. It is not some place to go find. It's a place to create here and now, and to have faith that such a place can exist. As Shambhala (The Buddhist Association formed by Chogyam Trungpa) says: Quote The Shambhala teachings are founded on the premise that there is basic human wisdom that can help to solve the world’s problems. The wisdom does not belong to any one culture or religion, nor does it come from the West or the East. Rather, it is a tradition of human warriorship that has existed in many cultures at many times throughout history. Shambhala is the nation you can claim if you consider yourself a warrior for peace, compassion and liberation of all beings. In the same way, when a student of Zen receives Jukai or Shukkai Tokudo (The precepts) they receive the Bloodline - their blood is now the blood of all Buddhas and Ancestors through all time and Universes. This doesn't involve a blood transfusion, but it changes the heart. To be of Shambhala or the Pure Lands in your heart is to be softened and changed. It's magic of the heart. Edited July 28, 2017 by Stonehouse 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starjumper Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) If you are referring to Shambalah as a place, then it is a place in the Tien Shan mountains, which is home of a Taoist lineage. Here is the only factual thing I have read about it, from an article written by a master Pak Dong Sun. The part about Shambala is near the end but I wanted to leave it in context: Quote Around 5000 years ago, Tien Shan monks, having reached the highest level of skill, were looking for like minded people and went South extending their knowledge. This knowledge is popularly known these days as the Tibetan teachings of Bon, yet it has it's roots in Taoist chi kung from Tien Shan. Bon is known as the most powerful school of magic and wonder in the world. In it's original version Tien Shan was extreme, with the practitioners undertaking certain risks for the sake of attaining super powers. When the Tien Shan monks reached Tibet they encountered the School of Bon, the strength of which was in it's methodology but the practice was rather weak. From the unification of these two was born the strongest spiritual system of development of super human Characteristics. In the history of mankind the heritage of practices of Tien Shan has left a trace in the constellation of the brightest names of Enlightened Masters: Tilopa, Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa and Gambopy. In The present, to answer the question of the origins of their spiritual mastery, Buddhist, Tibetan, and Nepalese lamas claim that their “knowledge” originated in the place which is called “Jung-Jung”, “sheng-sheng”, “Tang-sheng” but those names are from different Himalayan dialects which mean the same in Chinese – Tien-Shan! Even the mythical country of Shambhala is a particular place of the same name in the Tien Shan mountains, if translated from the local dialect means “mountain spring”or “wonderful source”. In our time a place of beauty, and an amazing ski resort. Edited July 28, 2017 by Starjumper 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted July 28, 2017 Interesting... Well, somebody here referred to a book "Entering the Circle". ( https://www.amazon.com/Entering-Circle-Siberian-Discovered-Psychiatrist/dp/0062514172) .I bought it and read it and the second book. I see a lot of similarities with the medical qigong healing techniques, but obviously they are referring not to Daoism, but to some "hidden lands" somewhere North. Thus, the question, are they actually talking about real place and real humans ( beings). Starjumper, what you wrote in a quote is actually very similar to the myths the shrink is talking in the book about. As some old race who is capable of mental magic ( vs techno advances)... Interesting... Anybody has more books ( even if it is a sci-fi) on a subject? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starjumper Posted July 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, qicat said: Starjumper, what you wrote in a quote is actually very similar to the myths the shrink is talking in the book about. As some old race who is capable of mental magic ( vs techno advances)... Interesting... My teacher told me that Tien Shan chi kung was originated by some Taoists that wandered into Northwestern China. But that was probably before it was officially China and there was an official Taoism. Concerning your mention of magic, here's some more: Quote In the heart of Asia lies the enormous, mysterious massif of the Tian Shan Mountains, from which rivers flow East from the timbered ridges of the Sayan, to sink and die in the hot sands of Western Khayan. It stretches over a huge portion of Central Asia. The cradle of peoples, histories and legends; the native land of bloody conquerors, who have left nearby their capitals covered by the sand of the Gobi, their mysterious rings and their ancient nomad laws; the states of monks and evil devils, the country of wandering tribes administered by the descendants of Genghiz Khan and Kublai Khan, the Khans and Princes of the Junior lines: that is Tien Shan. The land of mysterious doctors, prophets, sorcerers, fortune-tellers and witches; the land which has not forgotten the thoughts of the long deceased great potentates of Asia and of half of Europe: that is Tien Shan. The land of nude mountains, of plains burned by the sun and killed by the cold; the land of boiling hot springs and of mountain passes inhabited by demons; of sacred lakes swarming with fish; of wolves, rare species of deer and mountain goats, marmots in millions, wild horses, wild donkeys and wild camels that have never known the bridle, ferocious dogs and rapacious birds of prey which devour the dead bodies cast out on the plains by the people: that is Tien Shan. Tien Shan, the land whose disappearing primitive people gaze upon the bones of their forefathers whitening in the sands and dust of their plains; where are dying out the people who formerly conquered China, Siam, Northern India and Russia. From this page: http://www.tienshan.net/origins.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted July 29, 2017 Ah the beginner's question. Haven't you figured it out yet young lady? Taoists are scientists they don't pay too much attention to realms of existence. Same as Buddhist don't care about Samsara's science. Also that Sambhala subject, it looks like a Tibetan Buddhism myth to me. They are a bit different than Theravada Buddhists which are a bit more grounded than Tibetans. Keep practising with discipline and great care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted July 29, 2017 15 minutes ago, Gerard said: young lady? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted July 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, Gerard said: Taoists are scientists they don't pay too much attention to realms of existence. Same as Buddhist don't care about Samsara's science. references please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudfoot Posted July 29, 2017 Penglai islands is what you are searching for. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyniguma Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) . Edited August 9, 2017 by ladyniguma 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) ladyniguma....EVERYTHING is inside, including you and I. Try to find where! References? Neijing. I hope is enough! Edited July 30, 2017 by Gerard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damdao Posted July 30, 2017 I think Peng Lai is the better candidate but there are several realms (including Kun Lun). In this good book there is a translation about that: https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=RTH8ecesLCYC&printsec=frontcover&hl=es&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=peng lai&f=false 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Gold Qilin Posted July 31, 2017 On 7/28/2017 at 6:24 AM, Marblehead said: Wherever you hang your hat. Yes center home earth element that even correlates to zizhong.....center home yes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
