Breatharianism: Is It Possible To Live Without Food?

[voidisyinyang]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Not according to the Vedas  ... blue skin signifies something else .

 

And regarding  Hathor ;

 

   

 

 

 

You should really do background research other than your own theories ... or at least show some proof . 

 

Would you like me to post my free pdf with the evidence?

 

Or do you have your "willful ignorance" breaks on.

[voidisyinyang]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Not according to the Vedas  ... blue skin signifies something else .

 

And regarding  Hathor ;

 

   

 

 

 

You should really do background research other than your own theories ... or at least show some proof . 

 

By the way - are you still ignoring the evidence of the Vedic-Brahmin invasion of India?

 

Just let me know if you are so I can post the evidence for others to read again. haha.

 

Hilarious!

 

Willful ignorance is quite funny.

[小梦想]

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Edited August 10, 2018 by 小梦想

[beingnature]

Interesting! Before some years i experienced it spontaneously, i was just full of energy and eating felt disgusting so i just lived on water for 3 days did a lot of qigong and physical activity in this days and i even had more energy on the fourth day, was also extremely happy and felt fresh but it was so intense that it frightened me so i forced myself to eat again.Ah i forget to mention that i was on this no grain diet at the time and i also didnt intended to do it.In that year i was made to do fasting before every fullmoon but i think this things are not meant for doing in society and shouldnt done by purpose, i think bigu is more a state then a practice.

[allinone]

wouldn't it be more safe?

 

to eat normally and judge from how much poop coming out. If nothing coming out despite have ate normally for months then your body is ready because to apply logic to this situation then surviving without food is easy-peasy.

 

but that logic doesn't take into account that body depends on food not destroy it to get rid of it?! or is it?

 

do we need food energy to reverse engineer oxygen and hydrogen?

 

we don't have to quit eating meanwhile we figure out or purify the body to get knowledge to body or brain to put these pieces together itself and make a working system.

[Stosh]

Poop is just the stuff your body couldnt use like fiber . What you succeed in actually taking up, is metabolically broken down into co2 and water, which you breathe out.  So in vs out isnt a thing you can observe to evaluate with any accuracy. 

[voidisyinyang]

47 minutes ago, Stosh said:

Poop is just the stuff your body couldnt use like fiber . What you succeed in actually taking up, is metabolically broken down into co2 and water, which you breathe out.  So in vs out isnt a thing you can observe to evaluate with any accuracy. 

 

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“The numbers are similar enough that each defecation event may flip the ratio to favour human cells over bacteria,” they delicately conclude in a manuscript posted to the preprint server bioRxiv¹.

 

https://www.nature.com/news/scientists-bust-myth-that-our-bodies-have-more-bacteria-than-human-cells-1.19136

 

Do 'Moving of yin and yang" with the legs shaking in horse stance - and that causes a severe sympathetic nervous system reaction that then swings to the opposite extreme as a serotonin flush of the colon, causing your anaerobic bacterial levels to half!

 

So this is why the qigong master says if you do eat dinner to eat a light dinner or preferable no dinner at all and only when the colon is cleared out are you then able to see light in the brain, etc.

 

 

[beingnature]

1 hour ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

 

https://www.nature.com/news/scientists-bust-myth-that-our-bodies-have-more-bacteria-than-human-cells-1.19136

 

Do 'Moving of yin and yang" with the legs shaking in horse stance - and that causes a severe sympathetic nervous system reaction that then swings to the opposite extreme as a serotonin flush of the colon, causing your anaerobic bacterial levels to half!

 

So this is why the qigong master says if you do eat dinner to eat a light dinner or preferable no dinner at all and only when the colon is cleared out are you then able to see light in the brain, etc.

 

 

 

 

Yes definitely, and also in my experience its about what you eat, like someone once said everything that sticks to the pan also sticks to the colon.so if you eat rawfood or maybe just veggies and no grains (or sugar, cheese etc.) i also experienced that you dont even need toilet paper but for me it doesnt really work out at the moment i cant really socialize if i do.so i enjoy my cheese and wine but for energy i am still a fan of living mostly on nuts and seeds and some fruit to get your vitamins.three days on hempmilk only nearly felt like fasting...

[Stosh]

I dont get your point as regards my comment. Im just saying why you cant measure your poop to see if you could go without eating because it doesnt mathematically equate to your food intake in grams or ccs.

Internal flora exacerbate the situation, and I can attest that eating some diets can render you unneedful of much TP.

[Nungali]

On ‎6‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 1:29 PM, voidisyinyang said:

 

Would you like me to post my free pdf with the evidence?

 

Or do you have your "willful ignorance" breaks on.

 

I prefer to get my info from a variety of sources .... not just one person's pdf .

 

I could litter the page with those varieties of sources .... but I just prefer to show how the Egyptians themselves depicted their own beliefs.

 

But if you know better about what the Egyptians know than the Egyptians  themselves  ....        

[Nungali]

On ‎6‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 1:31 PM, voidisyinyang said:

 

By the way - are you still ignoring the evidence of the Vedic-Brahmin invasion of India?

 

Just let me know if you are so I can post the evidence for others to read again. haha.

 

Hilarious!

 

Willful ignorance is quite funny.

 

 

Of course not ,  I checked in on the debate recently, the Out of India mob are still interpreting the evidence their way , The 'into India ' mob (from Africa ) are still interpreting the evidence their way .

 

Some Indians are very adamant there was no invasion .  Some are claiming the Vedic Indians were Indians all along.

 

And still no one can show archaeological evidence of an Invasion . 

 

We know some cultures in India passed and others rose in the same place. Doesn't mean an invasion .  Just as genetic and linguistic evidence doesn't ensure 'invasion'  .

[Aaron]

To answer your question, no. And you will die trying.

[Aaron]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Of course not ,  I checked in on the debate recently, the Out of India mob are still interpreting the evidence their way , The 'into India ' mob (from Africa ) are still interpreting the evidence their way .

 

Some Indians are very adamant there was no invasion .  Some are claiming the Vedic Indians were Indians all along.

 

And still no one can show archaeological evidence of an Invasion . 

 

We know some cultures in India passed and others rose in the same place. Doesn't mean an invasion .  Just as genetic and linguistic evidence doesn't ensure 'invasion'  .

 

Genetically we find that the Indians in Northern India are genetically descended from Middle Easterners, whereas the Indians in Southern India (and Sri Lanka) are a distinct people. So there could be an argument for an invasion, but it would also have to define what constitutes an invasion of India since the southern half of India apparently escaped it. However keep in mind a united India was only a recent idea and historically it was separated into many different kingdoms. 

[voidisyinyang]

5 minutes ago, Aaron said:

 

Genetically we find that the Indians in Northern India are genetically descended from Middle Easterners, whereas the Indians in Southern India (and Sri Lanka) are a distinct people. So there could be an argument for an invasion, but it would also have to define what constitutes an invasion of India since the southern half of India apparently escaped it. However keep in mind a united India was only a recent idea and historically it was separated into many different kingdoms. 

 

Sorry - we were commenting on a whole other thread that has tons of information in it. So you would need to refer to the genetic studies in that thread.

 

 

So we can talk the conservation over there - just review the dna studies I posted. thanks.

[Cueball]

Interestingly the story of Prahlad Jani in the original vid sounds similar to that of Therese Neumann's — especially in how it originated. Therese Neumann is also mentioned in Yogananda's book as they met in the 1930s.

 

I feel these things do happen and have happened, but have so little to do with the mechanics of food and drink that anyone attempting it for the sake of fasting/purity/spiritual cleansing etc is missing the mark.

 

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On the anniversary of her death, September 30, 1927, St Therese of Lisieux appeared to Therese in a vision and told her that henceforth she would live entirely off the Eucharist, and would have not need for earthly food. This total abstinence from food and drink continued until her death in 1962. The fast actually began in 1922, but was not a total and complete fast from food or drink until September of 1926.

 

This led to a request by the Bishop of Regensburg that Therese submit herself to a period of medical observation. The request was for a fifteen-day observation, for specialists in these matters considered such a period sufficient. They asserted that hunger might pos­sibly be borne longer than that, but a complete fast of two weeks without taking any liquid nourishment was not possible. Resl's father agreed to comply with the episcopal request, and so from July 14 to 28 inclusive, in the year 1927, Therese was under the observation of four Mollersdorfer Sisters, members of a nursing order, who came to her home. They were placed under oath by the Regensburg ordinariate before and after the observation. All were well qualified for the task, and carried out with the most scrupulous care the directions of Dr. Seidl, the medical supervisor.

 

The directions were very strict and carefully calculated to meet every possible contingency. Therese was not to be left alone for a single moment, day or night, whether at home, in church, or out of doors. For this reason, even her customary confession was foregone. The Sisters were to bathe Therese, but with a damp cloth instead of a sponge. The water for mouth washes was to be measured and remeasured before to Resl so she could swallow the Host was to be measured by the Sisters before it was given to her. Periodic weigh­ing of the body, taking of the pulse and temperature were prescribed. Blood smears were to be made during the Friday ecstasies and compared with a blood smear from the ear lobe taken on another day, after which the hemo­globin content was to be determined.

 

According to the Miinchner medizinische Wochenschriit supplement, No. 46, 1927, the directions went so far as to demand that "All excretions - urine, vomit, and stools - must be gathered, measured, and weighed, and immediately sent to the physician for analysis."

 

Professor Ewald of Erlangen, an opponent of any super­natural explanation of this phenomenon, admitted in a brochure on Konnersreuth that the keenest and most relentless attention was given to the matter of food throughout the period of observation. Despite the constant alertness, it could never be ascertained that Therese Neumann took nourishment or attempted to take it. The professor claimed that the stigmatist ought to have lost weight heavily, but such was not the case. She did lose considerably (3 to 8 pounds in a few days is no slight loss) following the days of ecstasy, but regained this in the course of the same brief period. Without taking food or drink she gained 5 to 6 pounds, so that at the conclusion of the observation her weight was the same as before.

 

Dr. Ewald also draws attention to the fact that about 400 grams of water are taken from the body daily through exhalations. It is to be especially noted that to meet the demands of exhalation is a purely phys­ical process and almost totally independent of the consti­tution of the individual. To the loss in this manner must be added that which accompanies the bleeding, perspira­tion, etc. "Therese ought long since to have been dried up like a mummy. But she is fresh-looking and lively, has saliva, and moist mucous membrane. One may indulge in the most fantastic imaginings, a prolongation of metabolism as in hibernation, or Iakirism - though The­rese does not hibernate, but moves, speaks, reads, writes letters, goes about - this increase in weight simply cannot be explained; for something cannot come from nothing.”

 

Dr. Seidl, who had been Therese Neumann's attending physician since at least 1918, testified under oath in a Munich court case on April 15, 1929, that there could be no question of Therese having taken any nourishment during the period of observation. He maintained flatly that the abstention of all nourishment by Therese Neumann was a fact, which he had not the least reason to doubt. He added that since September, 1926, the stigmatist took no nourishment at all, not even a bit of water, as she had at the time of the fifteen days' observation.

 

She was once asked how it was possible that she lived on the Eucharist alone, and she responded “The Saviour can do all things. Did He not say that “my Flesh is real food, and my blood is real drink?”

 

http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2009/12/therese-neumann-mystic-victim-soul.html

Edited August 10, 2017 by Cueball

[voidisyinyang]

There is some kind of "reverse electrolysis" is what I called it - the qi of the third eye converts the air into water by combining oxygen and hydrogen and then it flows down as the ambrosia out of the nasal cavity, down the throat, to the stomach.

 

And nourishment is similarly created - this is from reverse entropy or quantum relative entropy as science calls it.

 

 

 

 

[roger]

I was in a hospital once and didn't eat for about four days. All I had was cranberry juice. I never even got hungry or wanted to eat, and I felt fine and had plenty of energy.

 

The question, 'Is it possible to live without food?' has a certain innocence to it, in that it seems to not realize a certain dynamic of words - the idea of absolutes.

 

I'm saying, it may be POSSIBLE, but probably almost no one could do it.

 

I do recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda wrote of a person who never ate, but used certain techniques which made it unnecessary for them.

[liminal_luke]

15 minutes ago, roger said:

 

I'm saying, it may be POSSIBLE, but probably almost no one could do it.

 

I do recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda wrote of a person who never ate, but used certain techniques which made it unnecessary for them.

 

I think it`s possible to live without food, but not without sustenence.  We need to take in energy and if we don`t get it from food we have to get it the qi directly from the environment.  How to move in this direction is the really interesting question.  Most practitioners won`t get to the point where they can actually stop eating, but could nevertheless learn how to "ingest" environmental energy.  

[Miffymog]

 

10 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

There is some kind of "reverse electrolysis" is what I called it - the qi of the third eye converts the air into water by combining oxygen and hydrogen and then it flows down as the ambrosia out of the nasal cavity, down the throat, to the stomach.

 

And nourishment is similarly created - this is from reverse entropy or quantum relative entropy as science calls it.

 

Just a quick question, I know that there is Oxygen in air, but I was wondering where the Hydrogen comes from?

 

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Miffymog said:

 

 

Just a quick question, I know that there is Oxygen in air, but I was wondering where the Hydrogen comes from?

 

Well...

 

Air is roughly 0.000053% hydrogen and that hydrogen is in H₂ molecules which would have to be ionized first (as would the O₂ molecules).   Ionization takes energy.  Recombining hydrogen and oxygen releases energy.  There's a risk, BTW -- if the oxygen is fully ionized -- of creating hydrogen peroxide instead (although biological processes tend to be highly selective here because H₂O₂ is a dangerously strong oxidizer).  Not sure how air would reach the "third eye" but that's a different discussion (and it's not clear that "air" is the source being considered above but, given the title of this thread, I figured that was a reasonable starting point).

 

For comparison, air generally contains more than ten thousand times that percentage of water vapor.  Condensing liquid water straight from airborne water vapor is a fairly straight-forward process (se the Namib Desert beetle, for instance...)

 

EDIT: probably should have mentioned that the human body is typically about 65% water (roughly 55% to 75% range).

 

 

Edited August 11, 2017 by Brian

[voidisyinyang]

Yeah I think hydrogen is pretty common in our bodies - either water or other molecules.

 

If you study my free pdf - I cite Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, the quantum biologist Taoist, who did detailed research arguing that the source of qi or yang qi is from superconducting proton-proton energy or proticity. So Dr. Jack Kruse who is still living also promotes this view - although he is more of a diet-natural living advocate, and not so much into the qigong training.

 

So also CIA mind control research Dr. Andrija Puharch had the same model of parapsychological energy - from superconducting proton "magnetic moment" precession energy.

 

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/04/10/idiot-s-guide-to-taoist-alchemy/

[Brian]

Mmmmm...

 

Word salad.

 

 

 

<sigh>

[silent thunder]

It's an experiential realization for me, that the vast majority of my energy comes from my breath, not food.  Food provides a bit of energy for motion and mostly building blocks to replace worn out cells and regenerate body tissue.

 

This realization was made evident through repeated experiences when I have an illness and my lungs are compromised and not working efficiently... when climbing one flight of stairs is enough to cause me full bodily exhaustion and need to rest.

 

No amount of soup will rectify this... my lungs need to heal before I will regain stamina and vitality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Miffymog]

23 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

It's an experiential realization for me, that the vast majority of my energy comes from my breath, not food.  Food provides a bit of energy for motion and mostly building blocks to replace worn out cells and regenerate body tissue.

 

This realization was made evident through repeated experiences when I have an illness and my lungs are compromised and not working efficiently... when climbing one flight of stairs is enough to cause me full bodily exhaustion and need to rest.

 

No amount of soup will rectify this... my lungs need to heal before I will regain stamina and vitality.

 

 

 

Interesting experiential realization - breath, or Oxygen is indeed required to release energy. However, the 'energy' is 'in' the food, the oxygen helps release it, It's bit like reverse photosynthesis. If your muscles work with out oxygen, you get that painful build up of lactic acid in them that athletes are so familiar with.

[Miffymog]

 

 

1 hour ago, voidisyinyang said:

Yeah I think hydrogen is pretty common in our bodies - either water or other molecules.

 

If you study my free pdf - I cite Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, the quantum biologist Taoist, who did detailed research arguing that the source of qi or yang qi is from superconducting proton-proton energy or proticity. So Dr. Jack Kruse who is still living also promotes this view - although he is more of a diet-natural living advocate, and not so much into the qigong training.

 

So also CIA mind control research Dr. Andrija Puharch had the same model of parapsychological energy - from superconducting proton "magnetic moment" precession energy.

 

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/04/10/idiot-s-guide-to-taoist-alchemy/

 

I'm quite happy that a proton has a magnetic moment, I'm also quite happy that it processes in the presence an external magnetic field.

 

It does lead me to a couple of questions though

 

1 - Where does the external magnetic field come from?

2 - How does a proton become super conducting? ie what are the conditions for it to become super conducting and what characteristics would it demonstrate that it doesn't have while in normal conditions?

 

Knowing this would help me to understand how this then leads to parapsychological energy.

 

Edited August 11, 2017 by Miffymog