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[MegaMind]

4 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Since they don't belong to the actual school in Java, but act exclusive, they are creating their own egregore--one that feeds off of victimization and paranoia, and is why by all definitions, they are a cult. 

 

Plenty of members suffer psychosis. 

 

Seriously, kids: don't try this at home. They're worse than cocaine addictions. 

 

"they are a cult."

 

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We are a group of rational freethinkers.

We encourage skeptics to practice and see for themselves.

We want people to base their beliefs on their own observations, and on the best evidence available to them.

We do not want anyone accepting anything as true based on someone else's personal testimony, because a book says so, or on faith.

We do not worship any humans, demigods, gods, goddesses, demons, spirits, etc.

No one is required to pay homage to anything or anyone.

We do not charge money, and we do not accept donations.

In our opinion this makes us as anti-cult as it gets.

 

[Earl Grey]

2 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

"they are a cult."

 

 

 

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[ilumairen]

3 minutes ago, Zork said:

It makes no sense. He talks about them being atheists and he then describes the WMPs as agnostics. If they believe in something else it is fine but he mentioned people being atheists so it begs the question what the motivation for people who don't believe in the spiritual dimension of mopai is.

 

There's much which doesn't make sense to me regarding this group..

 

Especially the "free thinkers" bit when it comes to the "See 'n Say" type responses - pull the string, the arrow spins, and when it stops predetermined noise manifests. 

 

3 minutes ago, Zork said:

I think they are underestimating the egregore of the system they claim to be a branch of. They may have created their own in the process. Who knows?

 

I don't know, although it is not something I would recommend playing with to anyone - unless I really really didn't like them, and there is no one I dislike this much. 

[Zork]

4 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

The experiences I am referring to are not ones that occur inside our minds as visions or visualizations, but rather externally.

Then you have it on tape?

Otherwise it is a delusion AKA scamgong.

 

Scamgong by Dj WMP!

Listen to this
Spy on me baby, use satellite
Infrared to see me move through the night
Aim, gonna fire shoot me right
I'm gonna like the way you fight
And I love the way you fight

Now you found the secret code I use
To wash away my lonely blues
(Well) so I can't deny or lie
'Cause you're the only one to make me fly

Scamgong, scamgong, you're a scamgong uh, huh
You can give it to me when I need to come along (give it to me)
Scamgong, scamgong, you're my scamgong
And baby you can turn me on (baby you can turn me on)
(You know what you're doing to me don't you, I know you do)

No, don't get me wrong ain't gonna do you no harm, no
This bomb's made for lovin' and you can shoot it far
I'm your main target come and help me ignite
Love struck holding you tight…

 

[ralis]

2 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

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I think WMP is seeking some sort of "Divine Order." Or, "Divine Providence."

[ilumairen]

5 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

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https://images.app.goo.gl/nSth9bJ2bqfi2BEj8

 

 

[MegaMind]

9 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

There's much which doesn't make sense to me regarding this group..

 

Especially the "free thinkers" bit when it comes to the "See 'n Say" type responses - pull the string, the arrow spins, and when it stops predetermined noise manifests. 

 

 

I don't know, although it is not something I would recommend playing with to anyone - unless I really really didn't like them, and there is no one I dislike this much. 

 

Which things don't make sense to you?

 

How does us being freethinkers not make sense to you?

[thelerner]

8 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

How does us being freethinkers not make sense to you?

Freethinkers generally don't do as much copying and pasting. They're able to talk freely.  Relate there personal experiences. 

[SirPalomides]

I don't know anything about mopai or martial arts really but I'm definitely getting a sense of a Mopai hivemind from these interactions. Can we please let this thread die?

[MegaMind]

3 minutes ago, thelerner said:

Freethinkers generally don't do as much copying and pasting. They're able to talk freely.  Relate there personal experiences. 

 

In a private forum, without any hostile members this is possible.

[Zork]

3 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

In a private forum, without any hostile members this is possible.

Then go there. And stay there since you do not wish to talk.

 

Scamgong by Dj W(estern)M(o)P(ai)!

Listen to this
Spy on me baby, use satellite
Infrared to see me move through the night
Aim, gonna fire shoot me right
I'm gonna like the way you fight
And I love the way you fight

Now you found the secret code I use
To wash away my lonely blues
(Well) so I can't deny or lie
'Cause you're the only one to make me fly

Scamgong, scamgong, you're a scamgong uh, huh
You can give it to me when I need to come along (give it to me)
Scamgong, scamgong, you're my scamgong
And baby you can turn me on (baby you can turn me on)
(You know what you're doing to me don't you, I know you do)

No, don't get me wrong ain't gonna do you no harm, no
This bomb's made for lovin' and you can shoot it far
I'm your main target come and help me ignite
Love struck holding you tight…

Edited January 8, 2020 by Zork

[ilumairen]

4 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

Which things don't make sense to you?

 

Thank you for asking.. I'm short on time, but may return to this. 

 

4 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

How does us being freethinkers not make sense to you?

 

It's the rote responses. The people you are communicating with here may share underlying themes, but their responses are all reflective of their own natures, experiences, and understanding. When it comes to your group, any one of you could be interchanged for another, and we'd have the same handful of phrases presented over and over again - with little to no personality coming through. It's what the guys here have referred to as "group speak," and one of the primary reasons I've limited my response to you. It's too much like pulling the string of a See 'n Say - predictable, unengaging, and honestly mildly droll (teetering on outright boring) making further communication on my part mostly nonsensical.

 

[ilumairen]

7 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

In a private forum, without any hostile members this is possible.

 

I call bullshit. 

 

I am a woman posting in a place where there are individuals who believe all women to be low frequency, and some who even believe us all to be succubi. You don't see me hiding, do you?

 

Yep, bullshit. You don't want to, and the "hostility" is a convenient excuse - which somewhat ironically only creates further hostility. 

[ilumairen]

12 minutes ago, SirPalomides said:

I don't know anything about mopai or martial arts really but I'm definitely getting a sense of a Mopai hivemind from these interactions. Can we please let this thread die?

 

It can be dead for you anytime you wish it to be - just play an old patriarch disowning his child. As for me, I'll continue to post as I wish, thanks.

 

: said with a smile, lest this be perceived as harsher than intended :

[MegaMind]

11 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

I call bullshit. 

 

I am a woman posting in a place where there are individuals who believe all women to be low frequency, and some who even believe us all to be succubi. You don't see me hiding, do you?

 

Yep, bullshit. You don't want to, and the "hostility" is a convenient excuse - which somewhat ironically only creates further hostility. 

 

Here in this environment there is little that we can say without giving our adversaries more ammunition to attack us with.

 

It is unfortunate that things are this way, but indeed they are.

 

While you see this as hiding, we see it as necessary.

 

Hopefully in the future things will change, but as they are right now this is the best we can do.

[Earl Grey]

28 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

Here in this environment there is little that we can say without giving our adversaries more ammunition to attack us with.

 

It is unfortunate that things are this way, but indeed they are.

 

While you see this as hiding, we see it as necessary.

 

Hopefully in the future things will change, but as they are right now this is the best we can do.

 

Strange--what I said in the original thread was never an attack against you until you presumed it was and attacked me, and so I responded in kind. 

 

Paranoia, paranoia
Everybody's coming to get me
Just say you never met me
I'm running underground with the moles, digging holes
Hear the voices in my head
I swear to god it sounds like they're snoring
But if you're bored then you're boring
The agony and the irony, they're killing me.
I'm not sick but I'm not well
And I'm so hot, cause I'm in hell
I'm not sick but I'm not well
And it's a sin, to live this well
One, two, three, four.

 

 

[Earl Grey]

1 minute ago, GSmaster said:

 

Poor victims

 

Spamming forum with 9999 quote quote posts

 

Stealing practice from Java School

 

Recruiting people in their closed off religious cult

 

Don't forget they have a gopnik defending them now, too. 

 

...unless Baba Yaga ate him already. 

[SirPalomides]

Baba Yaga doesn't like all that nylon from the Adidas tracksuits getting caught in her iron teeth.

[Starjumper]

18 hours ago, MegaMind said:

Both John and Kosta were legitimate students.

 

Many in our group were legitimate students of either Kosta or Jim.

 

This is how knowledge is transmitted, from teacher to student.

 

If you think your answer implies you are in the Mo Pai lineage that is a god damn lie! 

[Zork]

5 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

If you think your answer implies you are in the Mo Pai lineage that is a god damn lie! 

Of course it is a lie but we expect from him to have at least the decency to admit that they are not a legitimate fragment from the lineage but simple copyright thieves.

As it was mentioned above many times, nobody in the dao bums would care to bother if they said that they practice something similar to what John Chang practices and that they cannot duplicate what he does.

They deliberately leave the notion that they are part of MoPai hanging and that what they practice actually leads somewhere instead of a dead end. 

[MegaMind]

1 hour ago, Zork said:

Of course it is a lie but we expect from him to have at least the decency to admit that they are not a legitimate fragment from the lineage but simple copyright thieves.

As it was mentioned above many times, nobody in the dao bums would care to bother if they said that they practice something similar to what John Chang practices and that they cannot duplicate what he does.

They deliberately leave the notion that they are part of MoPai hanging and that what they practice actually leads somewhere instead of a dead end. 

 

"what they practice actually leads somewhere "

 

This is the most advanced system that we are aware of at the moment, otherwise we would be pursuing something else.

[ralis]

5 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

"what they practice actually leads somewhere "

 

This is the most advanced system that we are aware of at the moment, otherwise we would be pursuing something else.

Have you practiced other systems? Flying Phoenix, Soaring Crane, Doo Wai, Temple Tai Chi, Frank Bardon, Shaktipat from a real master? I guess you couldn’t handle a Shaktipat transmission which can be mind blowing. 
 

Find a Sufi master and see what it feels like! 

[MegaMind]

12 minutes ago, ralis said:

Have you practiced other systems? Flying Phoenix, Soaring Crane, Doo Wai, Temple Tai Chi, Frank Bardon, Shaktipat from a real master? I guess you couldn’t handle a Shaktipat transmission which can be mind blowing. 
 

Find a Sufi master and see what it feels like! 

 

"Have you practiced other systems?"

 

Yes. 

 

However we haven't found anything else even close to Mo Pai.

[Starjumper]

2 hours ago, MegaMind said:

This is the most advanced system that we are aware of

 

So, Wimps have the awareness of an earthworm. I could have told you that.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Starjumper

[MegaMind]

5 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

So, Wimps have he awareness of an earthworm. I could have told you that.

 

 

At the moment we know of no systems besides Mo Pai and Tummo documented on camera with scientists and medical doctors present to do their best to rule out fraud.

 

If you know of such evidence for another art, please let us know.