Levels of conscious mind residing...

[Jeff]

11 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

I know we do Jeff.

 

It would just be nice for those with the loudest voices shouting warnings...

 

To at least have the common courtesy to find out what we are doing, to visit, to talk, to experience something of the "light group" before going on for years with thread after thread with the same old uniformed junk.

 

I understand accepting and letting it flow through.. but sometimes it is best to let the rest of the world know what they are saying is a bunch of bs. If all everyone hears is fear, danger and all we do is not respond to such things...

 

Sometimes when you can't even do a thread saying congrats to a friend without it being used to attack an entire group of people...

 

Get's old Jeff..

 

33. Jesus said, "What you will hear in your ear, in the other ear proclaim from your rooftops. After all, no one lights a lamp and puts it under a basket, nor does one put it in a hidden place. Rather, one puts it on a lampstand so that all who come and go will see its light."

 

Nor should you let others put in in a basket.

 

I completely agree with that quote from Jesus, but don't necessarily agree with your concept of the context fitting here.  The light/clarity of mind naturally shines through.  It cannot be hidden or covered by words.  It really is not a big deal. The Dao simply flows...

[rene]

16 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

Rene,

 

Thank you for your review.  But the website itself has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

 

 

Too bad, that. There is some really great stuff on the site.

 

16 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

... All of the activity is really in the chatroom.

 

Also, I agree with you regarding words. Too many contexts, too many different meanings.  That is why our approach is to directly share.

 

Best,

Jeff

 

After seeing the 'sharing' on this thread, methinks I'll pass. (-:

 

Have fun!

[C T]

26 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

CT,

 

Your attacks through out this thread against a person, a group and a set of practices with no interaction or personal knowledge speaks volumes about you.

 

That is not a sign of respect.

 

We are open to questions, have thread after thread providing answers to questions.

 

Beyond just talking we also offer to demonstrate what we are talking about so that someone can experience it.

 

Now the question is, is such demonstrations dangerous?

 

From those with no experience of us, fear group energy work, fear energy work in general or who have publicly stated they have an agenda to stop us then the answer is yes.

 

You sir have been leading that bandwagon and encouraging it and you know you are ignorant of anything we do.

 

That is not mutual respect to me.

 

Maybe that is where our issues lie.. We see respect for others practices and beliefs differently.

 

You have no problem disparaging others without having any information.. just speculation.. You don't see me doing that do you....

So now you have even opted to insult my comprehension skills, saying that despite so much info about your 'work' being made available (quote: Jonesboy -- "have thread after thread providing answers to questions."), that i'm still ignorant, and my responses are therefore based off this ignorance. This to me sounds rather strange because it implies the ineffectiveness of the people who have been attempting the communicative aspect of your 'work'. (Not yours, per se, but the group's). So the failure for effective communication, which has impacted on subsequent ignorant responses, have now somehow come to be my responsibility? 

 

Come on, stop pulling my leg please. 

[Bindi]

12 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

My post was addressed to Tom and generic in description.

 

 

You are subconsciously pretty strong energetically and sort of automatically connect to people. When a connection is established, you naturally start transmitting. This creates an energetic loop.  With me, you are better able to notice this energy flow and hence you feel stuff.  If you remember, we once discussed this in chat when it was causing you concern, and you once allowed me to temporarily dampen/calm that effect for you so that you could notice the change.

 

 

Yes I asked you to stop the constant energy loop that you do all the time, with everyone, because I don't find that energy useful or desirable - not because I am afraid of it, but because it is not appropriate in my subtle body. 

 

Quite simply it is not a refined energy I can use to fill my dantians, which is the only energy I am interested in. 

 

 

[Jonesboy]

3 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

I completely agree with that quote from Jesus, but don't necessarily agree with your concept of the context fitting here.  The light/clarity of mind naturally shines through.  It cannot be hidden or covered by words.  It really is not a big deal. The Dao simply flows...

 

Hate it when you get all wise on me.

 

 

[Wizz]

Jeff

Yes, absolutely nothing to worry about for this person. But, as stated above, there are situations where other people who are not yet stable could be effected. You personally have felt the relative drop effect after things like a dive wear off.

 

Its OK to take your word for granted BUT lots of people deal with self doubt and these doubts can most of the time only be solved trough personal experience and validation and I believe 30days of absence of contact with your benefactor can prove to yourself you did achieve something of permanent worth. Like driving a car on your own instead with an instructor even if the instructor stopped giving instructions long time ago but is still present in the car.

 

[Bindi]

13 minutes ago, cheya said:

We just did a dive (group energy meditation, I guess we could call it) over at LU slack... 

I had a bit of steam built up from reading this morning's posts here... but still able to be mostly amused at the kafuffle...
 

But what really struck me was having the experience of showering energy pouring down from above, a continuous blessing flowing down through my body...  just an amazing space...

And then coming back over here and reading what some people think the "light practices" involve, and how dangerous they are....

Of course YMMV... but, still....
does not compute.

 

 

There's energy junkie and there's energy refining, different faces on different coins. 

[Jonesboy]

12 minutes ago, C T said:

So now you have even opted to insult my comprehension skills, saying that despite so much info about your 'work' being made available (quote: Jonesboy -- "have thread after thread providing answers to questions."), that i'm still ignorant, and my responses are therefore based off this ignorance. This to me sounds rather strange because it implies the ineffectiveness of the people who have been attempting the communicative aspect of your 'work'. (Not yours, per se, but the group's). So the failure for effective communication, which has impacted on subsequent ignorant responses, have now somehow come to be my responsibility? 

 

Come on, stop pulling my leg please. 

 

Has anyone offered, impled or even wanted to talk about our practice in this thread?

 

Who brought it up?

 

Who keeps talking about internet persona's, authenticity, dangerous practices.

 

You have..

 

Do you see us trying to communicate our practices here? NO

 

Do you see us in the chat room working with people daily? NO

 

The attacks always start from people like you. Accusations that you want others to defend against.

 

This is real simple.

 

If you want to know what we are about here is a link to our chat room.

 

https://join.slack.com/t/livingunbound/shared_invite/enQtMjQ0MzU3ODk0NTE4LTQ0N2JkM2I4NmMwN2UzNTYwZGM0NzM1ZWY4NDc4NWMyOWQxZmU1NTJlODRkNDI1NmM1MjQ2YWJiOTc0N2E0NDE

 

We will answer any question, have many threads and posts with such questions and answers that we share with people.

 

You can observe how we interact with each other, how we work with each other, how people are experiencing such practices all before you do anything, if you decide to do anything.

 

A person of integrity would do one or all of those things before disparaging others like you have.

 

Now what type of person you are from here on ... will be telling.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2017 by Jonesboy

[rene]

13 minutes ago, cheya said:

We just did a dive (group energy meditation, I guess we could call it) over at LU slack...

 

But what really struck me was having the experience of showering energy pouring down from above, a continuous blessing flowing down through my body...  just an amazing space...

 

 

I was there, so maybe you felt the 💖 energy flowing outward through me! I take no credit, not my doing, happens on its own, all the time. Cool stuff (-:

[allinone]

35 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

I think I may speak for many when I say - what the hell???

 

when i go to meditate, it is like riding a bicycle, or walking around other words nothing special.

 

So i sit in meditation and think that i won't ever going to sit long and years(its boring). But i also can't give up, so there is this awful hopelessness feeling rises.

So the thought is rejection of activity but i also can't give up. So it starts fire what doesn't feel pleasant at all.

So i try to cultivate those feelings, they will deplete and something else happens, satisfaction, tranquility whatever..

 

Urges are like also i want to drink coffee. My mind is in coffee machine, i see a mental image of coffee machine, i need return mind from it. One way to return my mind is to drink coffee but nope i don't want because one day i maybe don't have the coffee so i need to get my mind back without drinking a coffee.

 

So two different variants already.

 

Done it so many times i can recon also many other correlations and shortcuts and what can be done easier and better without much bad backlashes.

 

So perhaps its individual to me, but well i have a story, thanks for listening.

 

 

[cheya]

And, Rene, maybe you also felt the heart energy pouring out through us! LOL

 

Anyway, very happy you dropped by. The writings on the site have never drawn me much, with a few notable exceptions, and I almost missed the gold because they did not draw me... The energy work is a whole different story. 

 

But I do appreciate your checking it out! 

Edited September 27, 2017 by cheya

[Jeff]

7 minutes ago, Wizz said:

...

 

@Jeff

 

By "weak" do you mean its not worth developing the astral body or you are just saying that the "higher" levels are higher in comparison? 

 

By weak I just meant a subset that is no way near the same as what one might call the "soul" or what some could call the "light body"?  Astral stuff is fun and cool, if people want to focus on that fine.

 

7 minutes ago, Wizz said:

Also if and when you die physically how is someone who hasn't yet reached the "higher level" supposed to get it? I'm asking this because you implied that your not doing the energy stuff I described, so how will you do it? Wouldn't it rather be fair to say and give credit to the astral body immortality in a proper supposed way since pursuing it gives you the chance to do your "light work" even in afterlife like here on Earth?

 

Maybe first of all think of it more like the "light group" as a network, rather than just one person. And each person who becomes "stabilized" besides being part of the broader network, also creates their own local network. Hence, your concern/question is reasonable, but superseded by ongoing growth in the number of connection points.

 

To your other questions, it may be more an issue related to terms or meaning of "astral body".  If one believes there really is such a thing as "death", then yes that is probably what I would an astral (or energy) body.  But, one who has realized something like a light body, knows that there is really no such thing as death.  Specifically, in my case, I have access to all of my past (and future) lives, hence such concerns are completely non-existent for me. 

 

7 minutes ago, Wizz said:

Also if this person is well beyond such concepts of the astral body then she or you wont have a problem of showing some advance astral skills either.

 

Finally would you agree that pursing both higher levels and astral levels would be good for people or you think otherwise?

 

 

You have already felt and noticed the energetic difference. On advanced astral skills, people have daily field trips visiting various beings at LU.  Feel free to join in.  

 

Yes, I think all such exploration is fun and interesting. If one is so inclined, I think they should do what they want.  Also, as I tell all of the people who notice/access what we are calling the "light", there are sort of three different ways you can go with it.  The choice is totally up to you. 

[s1va]

1 hour ago, C T said:

If you only knew how clued in people are, despite your lack of faith, it might actually restore some of that lost shine, and maybe help you to understand why it is important, as one who has the intention to help, never to undermine another person's experiences, no matter how these may seem to be counter to your cause or belief. Of course, if your basic belief is not one of helping but of something other than, then by all means, continue with your emotional outbursts. No one can deny you that. 

 

You think all presumed detractors are 'them' and then there's 'our group' and 'our teachings'. This is a fundamental flaw, something which may not be apparent to you now, but perhaps someday you will learn how to rise above mundane dualistic views and cultivate more equanimity to further strengthen your desire to be of real, genuine service for the good of sentient beings. 

 

I think it helps if we know more about a certain issue and even truly know the people involved!  I have the pleasure of knowing Tom for the last few months.  I have seen him  always put himself right in the front when it comes to helping others, serving others with equanimity and no expectation of any returns.  So, it does help to truly know someone.  Actions speak louder than the words, even the words expressed in forums.

 

We all are passionate about certain things and fight or defend for certain causes.  In my view, there is absolutely no flaw in this.  

[C T]

32 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Has anyone offered, impled or even wanted to talk about our practice in this thread?

 

Who brought it up?

 

Who keeps talking about internet persona's, authenticity, dangerous practices.

 

You have..

 

Do you see us trying to communicate our practices here? NO

 

Do you see us in the chat room working with people daily? NO

 

The attacks always start from people like you. Accusations that you want others to defend against.

 

This is real simple.

 

If you want to know what we are about here is a link to our chat room.

 

https://join.slack.com/t/livingunbound/shared_invite/enQtMjQ0MzU3ODk0NTE4LTQ0N2JkM2I4NmMwN2UzNTYwZGM0NzM1ZWY4NDc4NWMyOWQxZmU1NTJlODRkNDI1NmM1MjQ2YWJiOTc0N2E0NDE

 

We will answer any question, have many threads and posts with such questions and answers that we share with people.

 

You can observe how we interact with each other, how we work with each other, how people are experiencing such practices all before you do anything, if you decide to do anything.

 

A person of integrity would do one or all of those things before disparaging others like you have.

 

Now what type of person you are from here on ... will be telling.

 

 

Im not responsible for your own shortcomings and how you choose to employ same to interpret my presence on this thread. 

 

The matter of the 'work' was not brought up because, borrowing your tag line, the basis for it is older than my nana's teapot. I have read all I need to, and have some sense of what this 'work' is about. If you are in denial of this, its not my problem, but an implied failure on the part of your communications oracle (Jeff, in the main) to ensure that representations are made clearly and concisely so that we 'the nay sayers' could at least not have to resort to subjective interpretations of said 'work'. Since this is one of the points that is causing you grief, and which you have attempted to make me responsible for (btw i graciously decline the good intentions), maybe then the real issue is quite apparent, but, temporarily clouded by your own emotions, have failed to 'connect the dots' (again, borrowing your words). 

Edited September 27, 2017 by C T

[allinone]

34 minutes ago, Wizz said:

The energy of desire, taste, dance, sexuality and dreaming all come from the 2nd Sacral Chakra, all of these energies use the same "fuel" or force which Castaneda called the "binding force" because its the force in the universe that keeps things together so when this force gets too weak and "breaks" people die. This is why its important to work on the so called "astral body" which in Nagualism is just referred to as the "dreaming body" its the body of longevity or immortality as people call it here.

 

 

the area below navel is the most hardest craving burn i feel when its on. I suffered greatly, now not so much but still i need mostly meditate like it is a job.

[C T]

12 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

I think it helps if we know more about a certain issue and even truly know the people involved!  I have the pleasure of knowing Tom for the last few months.  I have seen him  always put himself right in the front when it comes to helping others, serving others with equanimity and no expectation of any returns.  So, it does help to truly know someone.  Actions speak louder than the words, even the words expressed in forums.

 

We all are passionate about certain things and fight or defend for certain causes.  In my view, there is absolutely no flaw in this.  

Well, now you know him even more, i guess. 

 

Good stuff. 

[allinone]

1 hour ago, dwai said:

I wonder if people realize that what they find objectionable in "light work" could very well be their own projections. Stuff their minds have to let go of, in order to be free. If one feel upset/angry/sad/sexual attraction during a joint energy session (this happens in solo practice at home as well if one is doing a good energetic/spiritual practice), odds are that they are one's own issues that are becoming apparent. Instead of asking "who is doing this to me?" and looking for a source outside, perhaps one should ask "to whom is this happening? And Why is it happening?".

 

Odds are there will be some things one will learn about one's own mental habits and issues (inner-demons masking as self-righteous indignance based on some moral or ethical framework). If we don't  have buttons to push, there will be no one who can push the buttons (either knowingly or unknowingly).

 

 

Like if i am sitting and taking sunbath, and then i hear that my boss is coming then i think i need now to start working otherwise i might get salary cut.

My boss is a factor i can't decide how it acts without having later a physical punishment. So also the forum members cause sensations and are factors i can't change.

 

So it is that level of realness. If its claimed like someone got a high jhana so well good but does it help you get better life situation, do you now can get away from feeling suffering when someone beats you with a stick..

[allinone]

25 minutes ago, s1va said:

We all are passionate about certain things and fight or defend for certain causes.  In my view, there is absolutely no flaw in this.  

 

yes and some even sleep on spikes and under spiked blanket. So to get another extra microsecond on nerve speed and not miss the triggers on bad sensitivity.

[allinone]

42 minutes ago, Jeff said:

To your other questions, it may be more an issue related to terms or meaning of "astral body".  If one believes there really is such a thing as "death", then yes that is probably what I would an astral (or energy) body.

 

There is death issue. When you see a bug what is stuck and you will come to aware of a idea that you could save it- that knowledge rises in your mind with the potential to make a effort to save the bug. So now if you don't do it then does it equal to a deed of letting a bug die?

[allinone]

So Jeff could i ask you those kind of philosophical questions? and how are they related to light practices?

[allinone]

...or watching a movie clips uploaded by various users into Youtube. So if they will satisfy the desire to see the entire product  therefore also buy the product. Is that i cause bad karma to manifest in these people who uploaded these clips? for me it means i get satisfy and lock the heart and plus i won't feel anything for a while.

 

What about critics, if they are wrong?, maybe the product is fine to me and i don't buy it or try it because critics. Anyways someone gets beaten up. Sick thoughts rise pretty easily.

[Jeff]

19 minutes ago, allinone said:

 

There is death issue. When you see a bug what is stuck and you will come to aware of a idea that you could save it- that knowledge rises in your mind with the potential to make a effort to save the bug. So now if you don't do it then does it equal to a deed of letting a bug die?

 

I would say the answer directly relates to the level that one resides, so there is not really a "light group" answer.  For me personally, I would agree with the Tao Te Ching.  Heaven and Earth can be cruel, but there is a natural order or flow.  Or you could say, that the bug has its own flow. Saving the physical life of the bug, may not be helpful in the greater scheme of things.

 

 

[allinone]

7 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

I would say the answer directly relates to the level that one resides, so there is not really a "light group" answer.

 

 

yes

[dwai]

48 minutes ago, allinone said:

 

Like if i am sitting and taking sunbath, and then i hear that my boss is coming then i think i need now to start working otherwise i might get salary cut.

My boss is a factor i can't decide how it acts without having later a physical punishment. So also the forum members cause sensations and are factors i can't change.

 

So it is that level of realness. If its claimed like someone got a high jhana so well good but does it help you get better life situation, do you now can get away from feeling suffering when someone beats you with a stick..

 I don't think the analogy applies. I'd ask you -- do you have to stick around to let someone beat you with a stick?

If you can leave but instead, choose to stick around and get beaten up, then I'd call it stupidity (or something else) 

 

And yes, the body does continue to feel pain. But one (who has unequivocally dropped the body-mind identification) can exist quite easily with the pain.

 

 

 

[allinone]

5 minutes ago, dwai said:

 I don't think the analogy applies. I'd ask you -- do you have to stick around to let someone beat you with a stick?

If you can leave but instead, choose to stick around and get beaten up, then I'd call it stupidity (or something else) 

 

And yes, the body does continue to feel pain. But one (who has unequivocally dropped the body-mind identification) can exist quite easily with the pain.

 

 

 

 

yes you should even want to stick around, unless you want to get sticked by Vlad the impaler type by taking a birth as a enemy of such a person.