RIP Boy Scouts

[Marblehead]

Girls are now allowed to be Boy Scouts for many of the Scouts activities.

 

Uni-sex Scouts from now on.

 

 

[rene]

RIP indeed.

All things change; some I like, some I dont. This one I dont.

[Marblehead]

If I was still a Boy Scout maybe ...

 

Edited October 13, 2017 by Marblehead

[Marblehead]

Just now, Apeiron&Peiron said:

Bot scout....

Yeah, I saw that and corrected it.  Most typos I don't bother correcting but this one was important.

 

[rainbowvein]

People Scouts, now!

[rainbowvein]

No, kid scouts... 

[thelerner]

unisex scouts.. hmnn, unfortunately the problem with getting the older boys and girls together, ie 15, 16, 17 (the oldest) like for camping, is it might not be unisex, but regular sex. 

 

On the other hand what I've witnessed is there were simply less boyscout troops and they were smaller.  It's not as popular as it has been.  I wonder if this is an attempt to survive by growing.  In truth they know there situation.  So.. best luck to them. 

 

If that's the case, I wonder how the Girl Scouts feel about it?  If its a flagrant attempt at poaching. 

[Lost in Translation]

Will there still be Girl Scouts? More specifically, will there still be Girl Scout Cookies?

 

I don't wanna buy no "Uni Scout Cookies!"

[Apech]

[Aetherous]

I don't like the attempt to break down literally every barrier in existence, or else sue if someone doesn't let you...next thing we know there will be 50 year old men attempting to become Boy Scouts, and some idiots letting them because of the need for inclusivity.

But on the other hand, I was a Boy Scout, and don't see a problem with girls who want to learn to tie knots, build a campfire, learn how to fish, etc. It's too bad that Girls Scouts are so lame that they don't really focus on cool skills. But then again, I hope they will still do their things, because I crave samosas and thin mints on a yearly basis.

Of course there might need to be stronger supervision if there are camping trips, because it's only natural that attraction will occur when they're together...and male bonding will basically be a thing of the past, which is pretty unfortunate for the development of boys to men.

The name might be confusing, but just change it to Scouts, which actually sounds better to me.

So yeah...mixed bag. But girls should be able to tie knots and stuff too.

[Marblehead]

And boys should be allowed to sell cookies.

 

[Aetherous]

1 hour ago, Marblehead said:

And boys should be allowed to sell cookies.

 

Hopefully only the ones that want to!

[silent thunder]

<shrug>

 

this was my reaction to being in the scouts as well...

 

[rene]

And if a boy wanted to join the Girl Scouts? That's okay, too. Right?

 

smh, lol

 

 

 

[sagebrush]

wondering why the Brownies got overlooked?

[thelerner]

Too often I/we judge a story before getting the facts.  Here an article that explains it.  We were all thinking the boy scouts were going co-ed.  Not exactly.  The girls program will be separate from the boys. 

 

From ABC   http://abcnews.go.com/US/boy-scouts-admit-girls-cub-scouts-create-program/story?id=50417637

 

The Boy Scouts of America will now allow girls to join the ranks of its Cub Scouts program, as well as create a Scouting program for older girls, the organization announced today.

 

Cub Scout "dens," as they are referred to, will be single-gender, allowing the organization "to maintain the integrity of the single-gender model while also meeting the needs of today’s families," the Boy Scouts of America said in a press release.

 

"The historic decision comes after years of receiving requests from families and girls, the organization evaluated the results of numerous research efforts, gaining input from current members and leaders, as well as parents and girls who’ve never been involved in Scouting -- to understand how to offer families an important additional choice in meeting the character development needs of all their children," the press release reads.

 

The program for older girls, which will allow them to attain the rank of Eagle Scout, is expected to be formally announced next year and is projected to be available in 2019, according to the press release.   The Boy Scouts of America "has offered co-ed programs since 1971 Exploring and the Venturing program," the press release notes.

[Spotless]

We have had our son in a program called Trackers - it is co-ed and I think it is a new breed of "scouting".

 

https://trackersbay.com/?gclid=CMSqxNfs8dYCFZRgfgodcu0HSg

 

The scouts systematically alienated themselves from a huge swath of our population - while they may have maintained a large following in certain states the more populous ones dropped them like stones. We do not know of one single family with a son in the scouts. I'm sure as you move inland to the more rural areas they increase. 

 

We do see the cookies being sold - but with that racket exposed recently I don't think it is as popular with informed families as it once was.

https://medium.com/@Jenikaplan/the-great-girl-scout-cookie-scam-f02b93a98bde

 

For that matter the whole of the BSA reminds us of the Catholic Church and its institution as a gateway for pedophiles and refuge for them. It appears to have made some strides regarding this but so many excellent programs have emerged in their place.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_sex_abuse_case

 

It is nice to see new things happening in an organization with such a disgusting past.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2017 by Spotless

[liminal_luke]

Like so many others, I was dismayed to think that the Boy Scouts were being forced to accept girls.  (Until, of course, I read TheLerner`s post and discovered that`s not the case.)  On second thought though, maybe co-ed programs are best.  Those boys and girls will have to get along with each other as adults, so does it really make sense to artificially separate them as children?  It`s also possible, I think, that a co-ed organization will be less prone to attract sexual abusers. 

Edited October 15, 2017 by liminal_luke

[Chang]

One point worthy of note is that the girls were not in fact barred from scouting as they had their own organisation - The Girl Guides.

 

Co-Education is very much the mantra of the Liberal Left and I see this as very much a case of the breaking down of a male bastion. As to whether you view this as a good or a bad thing will depend very much on your sociopolitical viewpoint.

 

It is also worthy of mention that that this is not an isolated incident but is very much the social norm in what is aften described as the feminisation (pussification) of the western world.

[TheWhiteRabbit]

I think it might be a good thing... we have to just wait and see of course.

 

I tend to disagree with the idea that Boy Scouts was an abusive organization.  One or both my parents were present at troop meetings and all activities.  Parents should be a part and present at such things because it protects kids.

 

But, the thing that I don't get is that there were girls in Boy Scouts even as far back as my childhood.  So, I do not see what the big deal is.  I mean there was not a lot of paperwork involved (as far as I know) and maybe they fudged things a bit in Vermont (Where I lived back then).  We didnt have camping trips or anything like that.  In fact some of the Scout leaders were women, even though it might not have been Kosher to what Boy Scouts demanded.  Just saying.  I mean there were male scout leaders... But the moms did most of everything.  The leadership was just all show.  I know I am stepping on some feet here, but most of us who maybe lived in the northeast where things always were a bit different probably know what I mean.

 

I think keeping women in organizations that involve children are a good thing.  If something is going on, the women are more easily approachable especially if there was abuse.  As far as I remember they were very mentally balanced.

 

I think abuse has become demagogic in our age.  I would like to see people trying to prevent abuse rather than simply labeling religion or a group as abusive.  This kind of thing has gotten out of hand and people can't accept responsibility for things if we go around blaming a bunch of perceived pedobears when people do nothing to get involved to prevent it.  I think it makes the people pointing fingers just as much to blame.  If you have children and they are a part of something, try to be present or be a part in it if you can.  I know that is not always possible but I think that is something anyone can do to prevent child abuse.  It is one of the few causes I really believe in.  Just being there means all the world to children.  If everyone did their part there would be much less child abuse in the world.  That is also why I do not think sex-ed should be taught by anyone other than teachers and parents.  There is too much abuse going on when activist groups come to schools bringing porn paraphernalia to push their ideas on impressionable children.  This is a greater danger than the catholic church and ensures some children a lifetime of depression and unhappiness due to accepting a lifestyle that is destructive.

[Apech]

15 minutes ago, Chang said:

One point worthy of note is that the girls were not in fact barred from scouting as they had their own organisation - The Girl Guides.

 

Co-Education is very much the mantra of the Liberal Left and I see this as very much a case of the breaking down of a male bastion. As to whether you view this as a good or a bad thing will depend very much on your sociopolitical viewpoint.

 

It is also worthy of mention that that this is not an isolated incident but is very much the social norm in what is aften described as the feminisation (pussification) of the western world.

 

 

I view it as a bad thing ... so what does that say about my sociopolitical viewpoint?

[windwalker]

36 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

I view it as a bad thing ... so what does that say about my sociopolitical viewpoint?

 

 

That you would be in accordance with the great silent majority that is starting to make its voice know unwilling to allow 

the country to fall into the confusion that some seem to want.  Its a culture war

[Apech]

6 minutes ago, windwalker said:

 

 

That you would be in accordance with the great silent majority that is starting to make its voice know unwilling to allow 

the country to fall into the confusion that some seem to want.  Its a culture war

 

 

Which country is that?

[Marblehead]

9 hours ago, rene said:

And if a boy wanted to join the Girl Scouts? That's okay, too. Right?

 

smh, lol

 

 

 

Hey, equal opportunity and all that shit.

 

[Marblehead]

9 hours ago, sagebrush said:

wondering why the Brownies got overlooked?

Coming soon.  Trust me.