What happened to the Matriarchal Cultures

[Chang]

42 minutes ago, dawei said:

 

Males in china 'think' they hold power... I know they do but tell that to the wife and see what happens

 

 

In the US, 'white privilege' may be a close, equivalent phrase...  which is then genderless, and I get it... but maybe not exactly your point... which I think is more to the point in some ways. 

 

White privilege is simply that which is supposedly enjoyed by the white male.

 

Your suggestion that the finger is pointed at whites in general is disingenuous. The feminist movement have been pivotal in the denigration of white masculinity and to believe otherwise would require you to have been marooned on a desert island since the 1960's.

[dawei]

2 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

White privilege is simply that which is supposedly enjoyed by the white male.

 

Your suggestion that the finger is pointed at whites in general is disingenuous. The feminist movement have been pivotal in the denigration of white masculinity and to believe otherwise would require you to have been marooned on a desert island since the 1960's.

 

Not sure I completely agree but could largely agree...  from my marooned, desert island... here in the US...

[Apech]

6 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

White privilege is simply that which is supposedly enjoyed by the white male.

 

Your suggestion that the finger is pointed at whites in general is disingenuous. The feminist movement have been pivotal in the denigration of white masculinity and to believe otherwise would require you to have been marooned on a desert island since the 1960's.

 

 

I detest the terms 'white privilege' and even more 'whiteness' - it's a disgusting and lazy way to slur and discount millions of individuals.

 

[Chang]

3 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

I detest the terms 'white privilege' and even more 'whiteness' - it's a disgusting and lazy way to slur and discount millions of individuals.

 

 

But Youre a White Male Apech and even have a white cat as a pal.

 

It is also noteworthy that the term "White Male" is generally used as an abusive slur by Socialists and Feminists especially towards white males with right wing leanings. The innuendo being that the world is their oyster.

[Apech]

Just now, Chang said:

 

But Youre a White Male Apech and even have a white cat as a pal.

 

It is also noteworthy that the term "White Male" is generally used as an abusive slur by Socialists and Feminists especially towards white males with right wing leanings. The innuendo being that the world is their oyster.

 

 

Well exactly.

 

 

[MooNiNite]

It is only natural that white people historically had more power in the USA and UK. Afterall, the other races moved there and worked their way up in societies owned by white people. 

 

It's hard to be winning a game someone else creates. For example, if I go work at a restaurant nearby, I could work there 40 years and never become the owner. Guess how long I would have to work in China or Russia before I became a royal person with influence and power over the nation; probably never going to happen.

 

The ruling classes in India, Africa, Thailand, Japan, China, Russia all these other countries are historically leaded and "privileged" by people of their own race/origin. So "white male" power positions in the US and UK isn't some oddity. The difference between the US and all these other countries is that the US is historically more accepting and a Melting Pot. So race power positions stand out more. 

[MooNiNite]

Tell me how many years the leaders of African countries have been African. Tell me how many years the leader of Thailand has been Thai. What about China? How many years have leaders in China been Chinese? 

I mean sure, many countries have been conquered, but there is an overwhelming trend of leaders and people in power positions to be of the same race/origin as their countrymen.

 

To tie back into the central topic, I think historically the leaders in all these countries have primarily been male. Especially eastern countries like Japan. 

Edited February 15, 2018 by MooNiNite

[Chang]

15 minutes ago, MooNiNite said:

Tell me how many years the leaders of African countries have been African. Tell me how many years the leader of Thailand has been Thai. What about China? How many years have leaders in China been Chinese? 

I mean sure, many countries have been conquered, but there is an overwhelming trend of leaders and people in power positions to be of the same race/origin as their countrymen.

 

This is all true but you really fail to appreciate the situation that now exists in the west.

 

Cultural Marxists have now become the "Establishment" certaily as regards the media, education and politics. That being the case they are pushing for greater equality and diversity in all areas. Such equality and diversity will be at the expence and to the detriment of the native races. This can only be constued as a suicidal mentality that defies belief, yet it is happening before our eyes.

 

To facilitate our downfall there is a continued "pussification" of young white men throughout the west who appear to feel ashamed of both their sex and race.

[Taoist Texts]

2 hours ago, Chang said:

white cat as a pal.

his cat looks quite privileged. More power to you white cat!

[ralis]

39 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

This is all true but you really fail to appreciate the situation that now exists in the west.

 

Cultural Marxists have now become the "Establishment" certaily as regards the media, education and politics. That being the case they are pushing for greater equality and diversity in all areas. Such equality and diversity will be at the expence and to the detriment of the native races. This can only be constued as a suicidal mentality that defies belief, yet it is happening before our eyes.

 

To facilitate our downfall there is a continued "pussification" of young white men throughout the west who appear to feel ashamed of both their sex and race.

 

The meme 'Cultural Marxism' is widely used by alt-right and extreme right wing individuals that use extremist propaganda for their individual and group goals. 

 

What is your problem with equality? And furthermore, define 'native races'. BTW, in terms of genetics, race does not exist, but is a variation in the gene pool.

Edited February 15, 2018 by ralis

[MooNiNite]

3 hours ago, Chang said:

 

This is all true but you really fail to appreciate the situation that now exists in the west.

 

Cultural Marxists have now become the "Establishment" certaily as regards the media, education and politics. That being the case they are pushing for greater equality and diversity in all areas. Such equality and diversity will be at the expence and to the detriment of the native races. This can only be constued as a suicidal mentality that defies belief, yet it is happening before our eyes.

 

To facilitate our downfall there is a continued "pussification" of young white men throughout the west who appear to feel ashamed of both their sex and race.

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And how do I fail to appreciate the situation? I used the word "historically" four separate times meaning I wasn't talking about the present situation.

I think you fail to understand the English language. 

[joeblast]

2 hours ago, ralis said:

 

The meme 'Cultural Marxism' is widely used by alt-right and extreme right wing individuals that use extremist propaganda for their individual and group goals. 

 

What is your problem with equality? And furthermore, define 'native races'. BTW, in terms of genetics, race does not exist, but is a variation in the gene pool.

Often in history when a new term is needed to specifically describe something, an amalgam of prior terms that are appropriately descriptive is usually what winds up happening.

 

The "group goal" you refer to is highlighting and counteracting academia's emasculation of young men and teaching people that "equal" means those would would rise above wind up getting played whack-a-mole with, and those moles that arent quite able to peek their head out of the hole are said to have done so anyway.

 

While you continue to focus on equal outcomes, others would simply like to not get whacked in the head for raising their head up. 

 

Being too strict on some and too generous with others, so that relatively equal outcomes are somehow set about is merely a logical fallacy and recipe for destruction of thinking minds.  What's YOUR problem with equality? 

[MooNiNite]

3 hours ago, Chang said:

Cultural Marxists have now become the "Establishment" certaily as regards the media, education and politics. That being the case they are pushing for greater equality and diversity in all areas. Such equality and diversity will be at the expence and to the detriment of the native races. This can only be constued as a suicidal mentality that defies belief, yet it is happening before our eyes.

 

To facilitate our downfall there is a continued "pussification" of young white men throughout the west who appear to feel ashamed of both their sex and race.

4

Agree with most of this. I get very annoyed with "reverse racism."  

 

Greater diversification is inevitable though and clinging to "native races" is a sickness.

The world becomes more interwoven as technology evolves. We can even share similar currencies across multiple countries now with bitcoin.  

Edited February 15, 2018 by MooNiNite

[Chang]

4 hours ago, ralis said:

 

The meme 'Cultural Marxism' is widely used by alt-right and extreme right wing individuals that use extremist propaganda for their individual and group goals. 

 

You speak as though Cultural Marxist is something that has been "made up" by the Right. Alas this is simply not the case and is all to real. A little research on the internet can fill you in regarding its history.

4 hours ago, ralis said:

 

What is your problem with equality? And furthermore, define 'native races'. BTW, in terms of genetics, race does not exist, but is a variation in the gene pool.

 

I have no problem with "equality." Unofrtunately equality in anything but mutual misery is never going to delivered by the Socialists. If it is a Socialist utopia you seek then may I suggest that you relocate to either North Korea of Venezuela.

[windwalker]

5 hours ago, Chang said:

 

You speak as though Cultural Marxist is something that has been "made up" by the Right. Alas this is simply not the case and is all to real. A little research on the internet can fill you in regarding its history.

 

I have no problem with "equality." Unofrtunately equality in anything but mutual misery is never going to delivered by the Socialists. If it is a Socialist utopia you seek then may I suggest that you relocate to either North Korea of Venezuela.

 

I hear the weather's pretty nice over there this time of year.

 

ralis, might want to do it sooner than later.

Edited February 16, 2018 by windwalker

[ralis]

5 hours ago, Chang said:

 

You speak as though Cultural Marxist is something that has been "made up" by the Right. Alas this is simply not the case and is all to real. A little research on the internet can fill you in regarding its history.

 

I have no problem with "equality." Unofrtunately equality in anything but mutual misery is never going to delivered by the Socialists. If it is a Socialist utopia you seek then may I suggest that you relocate to either North Korea of Venezuela.

 

Apparently you didn’t read what I wrote and therefore proceeded from an incorrect conclusion. As I previously stated, “used by”, in no way implies the alt-right constructed the term. Cultural Marxism has been widely used in academic circles as well as right wing groups. To imply that I was advocating as you stated, “a Socialist utopia”, is baseless. 

 

Why have you capitalized “Right” and “Socialist”?

[cold]

23 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

I detest the terms 'white privilege' and even more 'whiteness' - it's a disgusting and lazy way to slur and discount millions of individuals.

 

 

I much more prefer "cracker" "towhead" and to a lesser extent redneck

[Chang]

13 hours ago, ralis said:

 

Apparently you didn’t read what I wrote and therefore proceeded from an incorrect conclusion. As I previously stated, “used by”, in no way implies the alt-right constructed the term. Cultural Marxism has been widely used in academic circles as well as right wing groups. To imply that I was advocating as you stated, “a Socialist utopia”, is baseless. 

 

I did read your post and will apologise if I came to an incorrect conclusion. If however you are of a left wing persuation you may still wish to relocate to the named nations, the choice is yours.

 

13 hours ago, ralis said:

 

Why have you capitalized “Right” and “Socialist”?

 

Why not?

[Nungali]

On 2/15/2018 at 0:59 PM, windwalker said:

 

 

 

Do mean to say that all thats needed is for the opposition to use women, and they will run away?

 

 

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Did I mean to say that   ... is that the question ?   .... if so , no , I didnt mean to say that .

[Nungali]

On 2/16/2018 at 4:45 AM, Taoist Texts said:

his cat looks quite privileged. More power to you white cat!

 

 

Indeed!   It looks as if it was born with a silver spoon in its mouth !

 

 

 

But some cats are very poor and do not even have a human family and must rely on adoption

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zerostao]

Sarah Winnemucca's Life among the Piutes: Their Wrongs and Claims is a transformative work for several reasons. This is her autobiography and memoirs, and it was a virtuous attempt to bridge understanding between the cultures of Native Americans with the newly arrived and dominant European settlers. Winnemucca asserts an ideal that is a respectful, complementary, symbiotic, and reciprocal relative to a relationship with the "other" by enacting Indigenous feminism as a social project to serve and save her Piute tribe.  At the beginning of chapter one, Winnemucca describes the apprehension felt by the Piute symbolically by the approach of the settlers; "They came like a lion, yes, like a roaring lion, and have continued so ever since, and I have never forgotten their first coming" (Winnemucca).
Winnemucca embodies the bridge of understanding between the two cultures. She offers a philosophy that is complementary, both similar and different, simultaneously incorporating and critically responding to the aggressive polarity of colonialist gender roles.
She uses translations and mediations of gender and crossover to advantage among the European settlers and Piutes. She presents a clear understanding of the complexity of language and cultural translation needed to relate and reflect social constructs and actions. Winnemucca presents herself to allow people to judge her on how her actions are reflected by her words. By doing so she is  complementary and reciprocal, presenting her culture's traditions setting a path for fellow Piutes and also the European settlers. Winnemucca demonstrates a self-determined sovereignty by asserting her agency and participating in the developing "inclusive" American national identity. Her Indigenous feminism simultaneously critiques the power based dominant discourse and actions as enforcing binaries and hierarchies rather than communal needs. " You call my people bloodseeking. My people did not seek to kill them, nor did they steal their horses, – no, no, far from it. During the winter my people helped them. They gave them such as they had to eat. They did not hold out their hands and say:–
"You can't have anything to eat unless you pay me." No, – no such word was used by us savages at that time; and the persons I am speaking of are living yet; they could speak for us if they choose to do so" (Winnemucca).
 Winnemucca transcends being a Piute woman. She reflects a myriad of possible genders, races, and cultures, blending into a  nationality. She moves across identities with various social and political positions beyond simplistic binaries.  Winnemucca attempts to break down the barriers of gender and race, within a traditional Piute context. Her reciprocity reveals another layer of the conflict: cross-cultural understanding, acceptance, mediation, and translation. Chapter Two, Domestic and Social Moralities is heartfelt, charming, and humanistic. She tells of warrior women and suggests that the (1882) Congress in Washington could use a few women. Here is another passage where Winnemucca presents a different but similar example; "The men are in the inner circle, for there would be too much smoke for the women inside. The men never talk without smoking first. The women sit behind them in another circle, and if the children wish to hear, they can be there too. The women know as much as the men do, and their advice is often asked. We have a republic as well as you. The council-tent is our Congress, and anybody can speak who has anything to say, women and all. They are always interested in what their husbands are doing and thinking about" (Winnemucca).

I posted already how the Cherokee were a matriarchal society. The Piute may have been patriarchal, yet, they included the women at all levels. I think if I had an opportunity to start a new society, it wouldn't be purely patriarchal or matriarchal; I think basing it on the Piute model would be a thought.

[Taomeow]

Norway has four women in four top government positions.  Norway is rated as the happiest country in the world for the 12th consecutive year, consistently scoring the highest out of 200 countries in life expectancy, education, and standard of living, as well as in a number of other categories, such as the best healthcare, the highest per capita income, and preservation of the natural beauty of the land (despite an oil based economy). 

 

Now what are they doing wrong?..  

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

Norway has four women in four top government positions.  Norway is rated as the happiest country in the world for the 12th consecutive year, consistently scoring the highest out of 200 countries in life expectancy, education, and standard of living, as well as in a number of other categories, such as the best healthcare, the highest per capita income, and preservation of the natural beauty of the land (despite an oil based economy). 

 

Now what are they doing wrong?..  

 

 

Nothing presumably.  The Solberg govt. is a centre-right coalition - also we have Theresa May in the UK - the second conservative PM after Thatcher - Angela Merkel in Germany centre - right also for whom 'women make the difference '- https://www.ft.com/content/e6346682-212d-11e8-9efc-0cd3483b8b80

 

Odd that the right is driving actual women in power while the left talks 'equality'.

 

Why would this be?

[liminal_luke]

 Add my name to the list of people who don`t like the phrase "white privilege".  By the way, I am gay and find the phrase "heterosexual privilege" equally offensive.  Both terms seem to imply that people with the right amount of melanin in their skin and the correctly gendered partner on their arm are living in a hunky-dory la-la land exempt from the difficulties of life.  Obviously that`s not the case.

 

Which is not to deny that some life situations are harder than others.  I`m a white guy who grew up in a middle class family with two college-educated parents.  Right off the bat that gives me some advantages over someone born in a black ghetto to a single mom.  Let`s say that I want to provide that ghetto-born child with some extra educational opportunities and a healthy free lunch.  Does that make me a pussy?  A pussified and emasculated white male?  It does not.  It makes me a human being.  

 

 

Edited March 9, 2018 by liminal_luke

[Taomeow]

3 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

Nothing presumably.  The Solberg govt. is a centre-right coalition - also we have Theresa May in the UK - the second conservative PM after Thatcher - Angela Merkel in Germany centre - right also for whom 'women make the difference '- https://www.ft.com/content/e6346682-212d-11e8-9efc-0cd3483b8b80

 

Odd that the right is driving actual women in power while the left talks 'equality'.

 

Why would this be?

 

Because the right hand is the dominant hand of the left brain, and vice versa? 

 

Because the right wing and the left wing are the wings of the same bird?

 

In any event, far from "every" woman in power has motherly/family instincts that in the course of our long matriarchal "prehistory" (which I view as the real history of our species in the wild, before the zoo caging commenced) safeguarded continuous use of this power toward blanket-protecting the tribe (male children, their fathers, brothers, uncles, grandfathers as much as female children, their mothers, sisters, aunts, grandmothers) rather than oppressing it.  But while the left who have decided motherly/family instincts are completely obsolete, to be replaced by 97 new and improved genders and a set of behaviors with each that has nothing to do with nurturing, while the right still try to love their mothers, to the best of their curtailed ability and the actual contemporary mothers' loveability...  maybe that's why?  I don't know.  I only know that Norwegians get very smug when you tell them, "boy, you got a good deal going over there..."