Anastasia Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) I really like surfing in the internet for hours and reading about all different kinds of topics. Just recently, I this fascinating piece of information caught my interest. I wish to share with the fine people here. This is about the earliest examples of figurative art that were found by the archeologists, and guess what, many of them are sexual symbols. From the article I linked on the bottom, I will post a few pictures and quotes to comment on. About this figurine: Quote No one would mistake the Stone Age ivory carving for a Venus de Milo. The voluptuous woman depicted is, to say the least, earthier, with huge, projecting breasts and sexually explicit genitals. Nicholas J. Conard, an archaeologist at the University of Tübingen, in Germany, who found the small carving in a cave last year, said it was at least 35,000 years old, “one of the oldest known examples of figurative art” in the world. It is about 5,000 years older than some other so-called Venus artifacts made by early populations of Homo sapiens in Europe. Another archaeologist, Paul Mellars of the University of Cambridge, in England, agreed and went on to remark on the obvious. By modern standards, he said, the figurine’s blatant sexuality “could be seen as bordering on the pornographic.” Isn't that marvelous? Now the archeologists find one of the oldest art objects - and it's "pornography"! Quote The discovery, Dr. Conard wrote, “radically changes our view of the origins of Paleolithic art.” Before this, he noted, female imagery was unknown, most carvings and cave drawings being of mammoths, horses and other animals. Scholars say the figurine is roughly contemporaneous with other early expressions of artistic creativity, like drawings on cave walls in southeastern France and northern Italy. The inspiration and symbolism behind the rather sudden flowering have long been debated by art historians. I have heard that Pleiadian extra-terrestrians influenced human genetics right around that time. But I guess those art historians wouldn't consider such ideas. More in general: Quote These sites, he concluded, “must be seen as the birthplace of true sculpture in the European — maybe global — artistic tradition.” These objects are all awesome . A is a Paleolithic "Venus" figurine, B shows female vulvar symbols carved on a limestone block, and C represents a phallus, carved from the horn core of a bison (shhh... I wonder if this could have been some happy woman's toy ). Quote The short, squat torso is dominated by oversize breasts and broad buttocks. The split between the two halves of the buttocks is deep and continuous without interruption to the front of the figurine. A greatly enlarged vulva emphasizes the “deliberate exaggeration” of the figurine’s sexual characteristics, Dr. Conard said. The object reminded experts of the most famous of the sexually explicit figurines from the Stone Age, the Venus of Willendorf, discovered in Austria a century ago. That Venus is somewhat larger and dated about 24,000 years ago, but it is in a style that appeared to have been prevalent for several thousand years. Scholars speculate that these Venus figurines, as they are known, were associated with fertility beliefs or shamanistic rituals. I wonder, what may those shamanistic rituals have been like? Curious me... Original article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/science/14venus.html?_r=0 Edited November 27, 2017 by Anastasia 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCLounge Posted November 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Anastasia said: Thought this was chicken for a sec Sorry just trolling...but it's interesting. I wonder if they actually masturbated to this.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Anastasia said: I really like surfing in the internet for hours and reading about all different kinds of topics. Spoiler The unveiling of a 4,000-year-old civilization calls into question conventional ideas about ancient culture, trade, and religion. http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan 4 hours ago, Anastasia said: Just recently, I this fascinating piece of information caught my interest. I wish to share with the fine people here. This is about the earliest examples of figurative art that were found by the archeologists, and guess what, many of them are sexual symbols. From the article I linked on the bottom, I will post a few pictures and quotes to comment on. About this figurine: Isn't that marvelous? Now the archeologists find one of the oldest art objects - and it's "pornography"! Sexuality......"pornography".......or 'fertility' ? 4 hours ago, Anastasia said: I have heard that Pleiadian extra-terrestrians influenced human genetics right around that time. But I guess those art historians wouldn't consider such ideas. No, serious researchers want a bit more than 'what someone has heard'. 4 hours ago, Anastasia said: More in general: These objects are all awesome . A is a Paleolithic "Venus" figurine, B shows female vulvar symbols carved on a limestone block, and C represents a phallus, carved from the horn core of a bison (shhh... I wonder if this could have been some happy woman's toy ). I wonder, what may those shamanistic rituals have been like? Curious me... 4 hours ago, Anastasia said: Original article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/science/14venus.html?_r=0 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 27, 2017 4 hours ago, TheCLounge said: Thought this was chicken for a sec Sorry just trolling...but it's interesting. I wonder if they actually masturbated to this.. Sexuality......"pornography".......or 'fertility' ? (cant blame him I suppose.....I blame; Paul Mellars of the University of Cambridge 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anastasia Posted November 28, 2017 23 hours ago, TheCLounge said: Thought this was chicken for a sec Sorry just trolling...but it's interesting. I wonder if they actually masturbated to this.. I don't know, but it raises the question whether porn addiction was already a problem in prehistoric times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anastasia Posted November 28, 2017 19 hours ago, Nungali said: Reveal hidden contents The unveiling of a 4,000-year-old civilization calls into question conventional ideas about ancient culture, trade, and religion. http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan I have heard of the Oxus civilisation before, but I didn't know all the details of its discovery. Thank you for that fascinating article, Nungali. It looks like you like archaeology too. 19 hours ago, Nungali said: Sexuality......"pornography".......or 'fertility' ? I think that these topics were just not separated from each other at that time. 19 hours ago, Nungali said: No, serious researchers want a bit more than 'what someone has heard'. And most of them wouldn't believe in extra-terrestrians anyway. 19 hours ago, Nungali said: That looks like they were really having fun. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Anastasia said: I have heard of the Oxus civilisation before, but I didn't know all the details of its discovery. Thank you for that fascinating article, Nungali. It looks like you like archaeology too. Yes, but more as sub-discipline of cultural anthropology. 6 hours ago, Anastasia said: I think that these topics were just not separated from each other at that time. Maybe, I tend to think it is modern separation though 6 hours ago, Anastasia said: And most of them wouldn't believe in extra-terrestrians anyway. Some may, but art history is not supposed to be about ‘belief’ 6 hours ago, Anastasia said: That looks like they were really having fun. until...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anastasia Posted November 29, 2017 22 hours ago, Nungali said: Yes, but more as sub-discipline of cultural anthropology. That sounds interesting. How would you define cultural anthropology? 22 hours ago, Nungali said: Maybe, I tend to think it is modern separation though Yes, I meant to say that the separation is a more recent thing. It has probably got to do with the influence of organised religion. 22 hours ago, Nungali said: Some may, but art history is not supposed to be about ‘belief’ But before you accept something as possible, you usually won't see it even if it's in front of your eyes. 22 hours ago, Nungali said: until...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Anastasia said: That sounds interesting. How would you define cultural anthropology? the study of human cultures. Here is another culture and people, ‘frozen in time'..for now amazing they still live like this! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese Errrrmmmm, not advised to go here: "In early 1974, a National Geographic film crew went to the island...The boat landed at a point on the coast out of range of the arrows and the police (dressed in jackets with padded armour) landed and left gifts in the sand....The policemen returned to the boat and waited to see the locals' reaction to the gifts. The reaction was to launch another round of arrows, one of which struck the documentary's director in the left thigh. The man who wounded the director withdrew and laughed proudly, sitting in the shade while others speared, then buried, the pig and the doll. On August 2, 1981, the MV Primrose ran aground on North Sentinel Island, stranding twenty-eight sailors. The next morning, the captain of the ship broadcast urgent messages indicating that natives were on the verge of attacking the vessel with arrows and spears.[18] After being shipwrecked for two weeks, all crew and passengers on the ship were successfully evacuated by helicopter.[19] The Sentinelese appear to have emerged relatively unscathed from the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, apparently managing to reach high ground. Three days following the tsunami, an Indian naval helicopter was sent to check on them and drop food on the beach. It was warned away by a Sentinelese warrior who emerged from the jungle and brandished a bow and arrow.[11] In 2006, Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally for mud crabs within range of the island. Their boat's improvised anchor failed to prevent it from being carried away by currents while they were asleep. The boat drifted into the shallows of the island, where they were killed. An Indian Coast Guard helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies was driven off by Sentinelese warriors, who fired a volley of arrows.[ sorta getting back on topic; "They all began shouting some incomprehensible words. We shouted back and gestured to indicate that we wanted to be friends. The tension did not ease. At this moment, a strange thing happened—a woman paired off with a warrior and sat on the sand in a passionate embrace. This act was being repeated by other women, each claiming a warrior for herself, a sort of community mating, as it were. Thus did the militant group diminish. This continued for quite some time and when the tempo of this frenzied dance of desire abated, the couples retired into the shade of the jungle. However, some warriors were still on guard." 1 hour ago, Anastasia said: Yes, I meant to say that the separation is a more recent thing. It has probably got to do with the influence of organised religion. Yes, especially the Gnostics; ‘heaven’ is home: earthly life / incarnation is bad/evil. More people-more suffering; therefore sex is evil as it creates more people (it is also unclean dirty and guilt ridden) and, you know who got the blame for that!... 1 hour ago, Anastasia said: But before you accept something as possible, you usually won't see it even if it's in front of your eyes. -goes ‘both ways’ " . The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices. " 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anastasia Posted November 30, 2017 21 hours ago, Nungali said: the study of human cultures. Here is another culture and people, ‘frozen in time'..for now amazing they still live like this! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese Thank you, that's so interesting! 21 hours ago, Nungali said: Errrrmmmm, not advised to go here: "In early 1974, a National Geographic film crew went to the island...The boat landed at a point on the coast out of range of the arrows and the police (dressed in jackets with padded armour) landed and left gifts in the sand....The policemen returned to the boat and waited to see the locals' reaction to the gifts. The reaction was to launch another round of arrows, one of which struck the documentary's director in the left thigh. The man who wounded the director withdrew and laughed proudly, sitting in the shade while others speared, then buried, the pig and the doll. On August 2, 1981, the MV Primrose ran aground on North Sentinel Island, stranding twenty-eight sailors. The next morning, the captain of the ship broadcast urgent messages indicating that natives were on the verge of attacking the vessel with arrows and spears.[18] After being shipwrecked for two weeks, all crew and passengers on the ship were successfully evacuated by helicopter.[19] The Sentinelese appear to have emerged relatively unscathed from the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, apparently managing to reach high ground. Three days following the tsunami, an Indian naval helicopter was sent to check on them and drop food on the beach. It was warned away by a Sentinelese warrior who emerged from the jungle and brandished a bow and arrow.[11] In 2006, Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally for mud crabs within range of the island. Their boat's improvised anchor failed to prevent it from being carried away by currents while they were asleep. The boat drifted into the shallows of the island, where they were killed. An Indian Coast Guard helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies was driven off by Sentinelese warriors, who fired a volley of arrows.[ Definitely not a good place for going on a vacation to. 21 hours ago, Nungali said: sorta getting back on topic; "They all began shouting some incomprehensible words. We shouted back and gestured to indicate that we wanted to be friends. The tension did not ease. At this moment, a strange thing happened—a woman paired off with a warrior and sat on the sand in a passionate embrace. This act was being repeated by other women, each claiming a warrior for herself, a sort of community mating, as it were. Thus did the militant group diminish. This continued for quite some time and when the tempo of this frenzied dance of desire abated, the couples retired into the shade of the jungle. However, some warriors were still on guard." Yes, I was particularly impressed by that part of the article. Passionate love replacing hostility. That's amazing! I just wish that in our so-called civilized world, the women (wives and girlfriends) would keep their men from getting themselves killed in useless battles in the same way... 21 hours ago, Nungali said: Yes, especially the Gnostics; ‘heaven’ is home: earthly life / incarnation is bad/evil. More people-more suffering; therefore sex is evil as it creates more people (it is also unclean dirty and guilt ridden) and, you know who got the blame for that!... Were all Gnostics thinking this way? 21 hours ago, Nungali said: -goes ‘both ways’ " . The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices. " Yes, it certainly goes both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 30, 2017 46 minutes ago, Anastasia said: Thank you, that's so interesting! Definitely not a good place for going on a vacation to. Yes, I was particularly impressed by that part of the article. Passionate love replacing hostility. That's amazing! Excellent example of this in; 46 minutes ago, Anastasia said: I just wish that in our so-called civilized world, the women (wives and girlfriends) would keep their men from getting themselves killed in useless battles in the same way... a youth says he likes Crusoe’s idea of competition and stars arguing aggressively about it.. the tribe’s ‘doctor’ says this is a ’sickness’ and a instructs young woman to take him to her hut to make him ‘better’. On his return he seems to have totally forgotten about it. 46 minutes ago, Anastasia said: Were all Gnostics thinking this way? ‘Black school’ Gnostics did/do. Like most things, it went through changes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism#Development there is general meaning of ‘Gnosis’ which is different NOUN knowledge of spiritual mysteries. 46 minutes ago, Anastasia said: Yes, it certainly goes both ways. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 30, 2017 two perspectives on ‘competition’; 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anastasia Posted December 2, 2017 On 1.12.2017 at 0:20 AM, Nungali said: two perspectives on ‘competition’; Man Friday understood that "the way is the goal." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
