Tin Yat Dragon Taoism

[The Elchemist]

Can anyone tell me more about this Guy. 

I tried searching here to see if this System is Discussed here. Would this be considered a genuine lineage ? 

 

I'm posting the website and another video : https://www.tinyatdragon.com/

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2018 by The Elchemist

[Zhongyongdaoist]

I went to the site

 

tinyatdragon.com

 

and it confirmed what I thought, that it is:

 

On 3/9/2015 at 6:58 AM, Zhongyongdaoist said:

The site is part of  a self-proclaimed Daoist master, Mak Tin Si, . . . (Mak tin Si's online activity, ZYD). Back in 2009 and 2010 he tried to take over the site through spamming and flame wars.  He is basically a cult leader who considers every thing but his own cult, Chi in Nature, evil, and the Dao Bums is simply part of this evil "everything else".  It is a particular sore spot to him because he failed to take over the forum over.  There have been many threads about this in the past, including some a couple of years ago, but I can't specifically site them now.

 

There was a great deal of activity related to his teacher, Mak Tin Si, and Chi in Nature, when I started on Dao Bums nine years ago.  So searching under Mak Tin Si, and Chi in Nature would be the way to research this.  I also seem to remember that this fellow, who seems to be in charge of teaching magic now, posted in the past year or so on Dao Bums to invite people to learn Daoist magic with him.  I don't think he got much of a response, as really not many here are interested in Daoist magic to begin with, though there are a small number of Dao Bums that are.

 

As a forum, the Dao Bums has no opinion about this group, we only post the opinions and experiences of our members about it.  Our members opinions have varied, but if you follow the link in the post of mine that I quoted, you can get an overview, and more of our members may weigh in here about them.  I did some research on their site when I first joined here, and as far as I can tell they do not represent a lineal descent from a specific school, but that the founders do represent some authentic aspects of Chinese magical tradition, and that they believe they were authorized in visions by the highest level of the Daoist Pantheon to teach.  I would suggest a lot of "due diligence" in regard to any association with them, but that is my personal opinion as a person with a good familiarity with Daoist Ritual and magic, and should not be confused with any official position of the Dao Bums, even though I am a moderator here.  As I have said the Dao Bums does not have an official position on this school.  I hope other members who remember past interactions with this group will join in with the discussion.

 

ZYD

[silent thunder]

I recall a time when searching Tao Bums on a search engine would bring up this site and a video made by sir pudgy taoist upset guy, where he was flashing his gun and talking about how Tao Bums was a 'fake taoist site'. 

[The Elchemist]

Whoa very interesting. I'm looking for all Opinions on this matter and of course . I'm doing my own research 

[Taiji Bum]

Here is his other Youtube site. https://www.youtube.com/user/Chiinnature

[Aetherous]

It's not a legitimate lineage, and in my opinion they also messed with the mind of a really fun and kind former Daobum (whose name on here was Yoda).

[thelerner]

I'm always been leery of people who keep changing there name and web sites.  There was a time I thought Mak Ti Sin might be a source for old school Daoism, but the more I watched his videos and read his writings on various sites a strong paranoid streak became apparent as did commercialism.  

 

Hopefully he's better now, but for a while he seemed very imbalanced.  That doesn't mean you can't learn some things but I'd avoid any system he promoted.  There are better teachers and systems out there, without his negative baggage. 

[cold]

2 hours ago, Aetherous said:

It's not a legitimate lineage, and in my opinion they also messed with the mind of a really fun and kind former Daobum (whose name on here was Yoda).

 

Is anyone in touch with Yoda?

[The Elchemist]

1 hour ago, thelerner said:

I'm always been leery of people who keep changing there name and web sites.  There was a time I thought Mak Ti Sin might be a source for old school Daoism, but the more I watched his videos and read his writings on various sites a strong paranoid streak became apparent as did commercialism.  

 

Hopefully he's better now, but for a while he seemed very imbalanced.  That doesn't mean you can't learn some things but I'd avoid any system he promoted.  There are better teachers and systems out there, without his negative baggage. 

 

 

Please do tell about better systems and teachers. I'm all ears . Part of the reason I joined this site . Thank You 

[Starjumper]

8 hours ago, The Elchemist said:

Can anyone tell me more about this Guy.

 

He said my tai chi isn't real tai chi, but that's because he'd never seen real tai chi, till then.  

 

Edited January 4, 2018 by Starjumper

[thelerner]

59 minutes ago, The Elchemist said:

 

 

Please do tell about better systems and teachers. I'm all ears . Part of the reason I joined this site . Thank You 

On 12/29/2017 at 8:49 PM, thelerner said:

 

The question- Can anyone nudge me to the most straightforward school or system of Nei-Kung?  Is much argued.  The top guys in most systems are amazing.. but there are also many mediocre teachers and students.    I'll often recommend seeing what's close by, observe a few classes, paying as much attention to the students demeanor as to the teachers ability.

 

A nearby teacher who's good is better then an expert 1,000 (or 100) miles away.  Especially when you're beginning.  Don't disregard seemingly common Yoga or Tai Chi classes, there are hidden gems around.  We all start in kindergarten and to be a babe taking college courses doesn't make sense, for you or the teacher. 

 

So.. look around, try new things, flirt with some, marry one.  See what you connect with, not the flashiest or that makes the most marketing or extravagant promises.  

 

  

The above is my generic answer.  Personally I started out reading books, probably got too 'top' heavy.  These practices should be done not read about.  Got into Healing Tao US, enjoyed seminars with Michael Winn and enjoy some of the forms I learned in it, but not really my cup of tea.. would I recommend it.. yes, in that its a thorough multi level progressive program but not universally loved, little is, but its open and you can try a seminar or tape and decide for yourself.  I don't do yoga. but have been known to hang out at Sivananda Yoga ashrams.. cause I like the meditations and people there. 

 

I did a seminar Stillness Motion seminar, enjoyed it, found it improved my sitting practice quite a bit.  Years ago I joined some fellow bums for a seminar with Max Christenson's Kunlun, far out, yet simple, enjoyed it but not something I do regularly.  I've gotten through 2 10 week courses of Wim Hof's, very physical kind of practice.  Great but not chi gung or all that spiritual though the breathing technique helps with other practices. 

 

Up until last year, I've mainly been sitting and doing a couple of simple forms.. enjoy chanting in the shower (actually Rawn Clarks YHVH canticle).  Late night on the John I'll do Kunlun postures.  I collect and listen to guided meditation, enjoying the strange ones.  I'll do rounds of Wim Hof Breathing then rounds of yogic 10in, 40hold, 20out loong breath cycles.  These days I'm adding a little more energetics to my sitting.. a little more 3rd eye attention and quieter and self aware. 

 

What I like and connect with, you may not.   There are good and great teachers and programs out there without the red flags (paranoia, angry vendetta based, cultic self aggrandizement and commercialism) that I've found in Mak Ti Sins various incarnations.  Though even that I may be wrong.. maybe's he's gotten past it..

 

As a beginner good if fine, build up the basics, quiet mind, time of the mat, good habits and a sincere practice.

[The Elchemist]

1 minute ago, thelerner said:

The above is my generic answer.  Personally I started out reading books, probably got too 'top' heavy.  These practices should be done not read about.  Got into Healing Tao US, enjoyed seminars with Michael Winn and enjoy some of the forms I learned in it, but not really my cup of tea.. would I recommend it.. yes, in that its a thorough multi level progressive program but not universally loved, little is, but its open and you can try a seminar or tape and decide for yourself.  I don't do yoga. but have been known to hang out at Sivananda Yoga ashrams.. cause I like the meditations and people there. 

 

I did a seminar Stillness Motion seminar, enjoyed it, found it improved my sitting practice quite a bit.  Years ago I joined some fellow bums for a seminar with Max Christenson's Kunlun, far out, yet simple, enjoyed it but not something I do regularly.  I've gotten through 2 10 week courses of Wim Hof's, very physical kind of practice.  Great but not chi gung or all that spiritual though the breathing technique helps with other practices. 

 

Up until last year, I've mainly been sitting and doing a couple of simple forms.. enjoy chanting in the shower (actually Rawn Clarks YHVH canticle).  Late night on the John I'll do Kunlun postures.  I collect and listen to guided meditation, enjoying the strange ones.  I'll do rounds of Wim Hof Breathing then rounds of yogic 10in, 40hold, 20out loong breath cycles.  These days I'm adding a little more energetics to my sitting.. a little more 3rd eye attention and quieter and self aware. 

 

What I like and connect with, you may not.   There are good and great teachers and programs out there without the red flags (paranoia, angry vendetta based, cultic self aggrandizement and commercialism) that I've found in Mak Ti Sins various incarnations.  Though even that I may be wrong.. maybe's he's gotten past it..

 

As a beginner good if fine, build up the basics, quiet mind, time of the mat, good habits and a sincere practice.

Thank You for your help here . I've also like Rawn's work a lot , I've read a little here and there mainly his Bardon work

[Zhongyongdaoist]

One of the things that you can do on the Dao Bums is save search results by copying the address out of the space that has the IP address of the page you on.  I did a search for Tin Yat as a topic and came up with the following:

 

Search "Tin Yat" on Dao Bums

 

There are a lot of good posts here which should give some idea of what is going on with Yin Tat Taoism.  The most important one is probably this one:

 

Yin Tat Taoism by Yin Tat Taoist

 

There are also a few on Mak Tin Si.  In a funny example of self-reference, the first thread listed in the search is this one.  To give some credit where credit is due, it was our former staff member Kar3n who found out that you could save searches like this, and it is a real useful technique for data mining on Dao Bums.

 

 

 

 

Edit: Corrected link to Yin Tat Taoism

[thelerner]

 

Love Rawn Clark.  Beyond his Bardon work is YHVH canticle practice and his Archaeous system which I do standing ala Zhan Zhuang.  Deep stuff.  As for strange guided meditations his Center of Stillness meditation is a classic with lessons parallel to Taoist 'sealing the senses'. 

Edited January 4, 2018 by thelerner

[Zhongyongdaoist]

5 minutes ago, The Elchemist said:

Thank You for your help here . I've also like Rawn's work a lot , I've read a little here and there mainly his Bardon work

 

I was just about to ask you to clarify your principle reason for asking about this system, and whether your concern with systems was principally that of Daoist magic, or other aspects.  This answer does seem to indicate an interest in magic and some familiarity with modern Western magic.  In this regard you might find my own posts on Dao Bums of interest since I have studied Chinese and Western magic extensively for decades, and they might be useful to you.  Here is a search for mentions of magic in posts of mine:

 

ZYD: posts mentioning magic

 

There's about ten pages of posts, but it should give you some interesting food for thought.

[Mig]

How interesting that I had similar idea asking especially the second video clip on DDJ. Even though it seems to me he's not a valid practitioner by intuition only, some of his opinions sound right regarding Chinese popular religion or DDJ interpretation. It is interesting his interpretation on DDJ Ch 5.  Have someone noticed anything that makes sense in his presentation on DDJ?

[The Elchemist]

2 hours ago, Zhongyongdaoist said:

 

I was just about to ask you to clarify your principle reason for asking about this system, and whether your concern with systems was principally that of Daoist magic, or other aspects.  This answer does seem to indicate an interest in magic and some familiarity with modern Western magic.  In this regard you might find my own posts on Dao Bums of interest since I have studied Chinese and Western magic extensively for decades, and they might be useful to you.  Here is a search for mentions of magic in posts of mine:

 

ZYD: posts mentioning magic

 

There's about ten pages of posts, but it should give you some interesting food for thought.

It seemed to be a system that is online and has many interesting aspects. I can't say that I was seeking Magick from the outside but seeing it as a part of the lineage made it more interesting . Even more interesting is that no one here would green light this lineage. Which is okay because at the end of the day I'm more about the truth than just hearing what I want to hear .

[The Elchemist]

I'm New here and Will assume by DDJ that you mean Tao Te Ching. I always saw the text as valid and drew inspirations from it . In fairness I would like to compare his opinions on the matter to other teachers to see if this is something that is agreed upon in other lineages .

[The Elchemist]

2 hours ago, Zhongyongdaoist said:

One of the things that you can do on the Dao Bums is save search results by copying the address out of the space that has the IP address of the page you on.  I did a search for Tin Yat as a topic and came up with the following:

 

Search "Tin Yat" on Dao Bums

 

There are a lot of good posts here which should give some idea of what is going on with Yin Tat Taoism.  The most important one is probably this one:

 

Yin Tat Taoism by Yin Tat Taoist

 

There are also a few on Mak Tin Si.  In a funny example of self-reference, the first thread listed in the search is this one.  To give some credit where credit is due, it was our former staff member Kar3n who found out that you could save searches like this, and it is a real useful technique for data mining on Dao Bums.

 

 

 

 

Edit: Corrected link to Yin Tat Taoism

I don't know why these didn't come up when I tried to search but I definitely appreciate you posting this here and I will of course review it .

[Zhongyongdaoist]

42 minutes ago, The Elchemist said:

at the end of the day I'm more about the truth than just hearing what I want to hear .

 

The love of the truth is the only sure protection we have on the path.

[Mig]

1 hour ago, The Elchemist said:

I'm New here and Will assume by DDJ that you mean Tao Te Ching. I always saw the text as valid and drew inspirations from it . In fairness I would like to compare his opinions on the matter to other teachers to see if this is something that is agreed upon in other lineages .

I have the impression his explanation are based from popular religion to Daoist teachings that are common in Hong Kong popular culture

[dawei]

At one time, he was touting himself as a modern day ghost busters group... armed with guns (in pictures) to remove any ghosts.

 

I would personally advise you drop it and look for something more realistic and of substance.  JMO.

 

Here are his posts here:

Tin Yat Taoist

 

[Mig]

13 hours ago, dawei said:

At one time, he was touting himself as a modern day ghost busters group... armed with guns (in pictures) to remove any ghosts.

 

I would personally advise you drop it and look for something more realistic and of substance.  JMO.

 

Here are his posts here:

Tin Yat Taoist

 

 

I understand his postings were not appropriate back then but what about his video explanations on the DDJ?

[silent thunder]

The health of a tree is shown by the state of its fruit.

[Starjumper]

According to his story he was 'joined' to a lost? lineage by an immortal that came to see him, which is entirely possible.  It's also possible that he can see the intense amateurism among so many teachers and fight against it, which is a natural thing to do.  He does know some effective Taoist talismanic magic and probably some other types as well; guns could be brandished or fired to scare off ghosts by the way.  He has good psychic knowing and character reading.  Like when he was giving me crap about my tai chi I posted a picture of myself and as soon as he saw it he instantly STFU and it was yes sir, no sir, and he's outa there.  Typical reaction of middle management.  So there's some chance that he's pretty authentic and he has a bad temper/bedside manner with the weenies and bozos, which, let me tell you, is easy to acquire,  I now return you to your regular program, may the shit slinging continue.

 

He probably had plans to get rich quick in the West and when that didn't pan out he got irritable =)

Edited January 5, 2018 by Starjumper