Is it true that focusing on developing your middle dantian (heart), also develops and refines the upper and lower dantians too?

[exorcist_1699]

On 2019/7/17 at 1:20 AM, Limahong said:

 

Hi exorcist_1699,

 

How much do we know/understand of the "Indian system"?

 

 

 Not much , but I am quite sure that there is no yin-yang concepts as Taoist in the Indian Yoga system. Indian Yoga entered China more than one thousand years ago , so the Chinese Buddhists and Taoists do know what it is .

Edited July 18, 2019 by exorcist_1699

[Limahong]

14 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

Not much , but I am quite sure that there is no yin-yang concepts as Taoist in the Indian Yoga system. Indian Yoga entered China more than one thousand years ago , so the Chinese Buddhists and Taoists do know what it is.

 

Hi exorcist_1699,

 

"The Chinese Buddhists and Taoists do know what it is" ~ "it is" refers to the Indian Yoga system... which entered China more than one thousand years ago?

 

So there was a rooted Indian-Chinese tradition/amalgamation... re Indian Yogis, Chinese Buddhists and Taoists?

 

 

If so ~ can we say for sure there is no yin and yang in Indian systems?

 

- Anand

 

[Daolander1]

On 7/16/2019 at 12:39 PM, exorcist_1699 said:

If we  just view Taoist dantians and  the Indian chakras  as some kind of centers where energy comes  out, then it is easy to make some sort of comparisons , however , people seem to miss that there are  yin-yang  and  i-ching  concepts  behind the Taoist dantian theory  which  the Indian system  lacks of .  For example , in the  Taoist system  , wherever part  of  our body gets convex/overhanging part and/ or  hair growth  ,  wherever is  viewed as the part possessing yang qi . It is therefore not strange to find that  the lower abdomen, center of  our  breasts and forehead plus the in-depth part from it to the skull  be viewed as dantians ;  and  by focusing on any of  them , it is much easier to mobilize qi we want .

 

The general rule is  while women be advised to paying attention to their middle dantians , men are advised to focus on their lower abdomen. The upper dantian , despite being some kind of short-cut to the final destination ,its difficulty of  being managed in terms of how strong a  strength  we should apply  , is  seldom advocated.

 

There is also no   I-ching typed of concepts such as using  water ( hidden in the lower dantian ) to  counteract the upper  fire  ( the fluctuating  minds)  in the Indian system . In fact, it is  unlikely that  the mind can  settle itself ,   empty itself without other help . In most cases, the more eager  we want to settle it, empty it, the more minds we are putting into it...  ,making it nearly  an impossible job . Taoist solution gives  us another  perspective to deal with the issue .

In daoist taijiquan and neidan focus is on developing the middle dantian as a source for your taijiquan efficiacy, but for both it starts in the lower dantian, although women also have to do additional alchemical work to not damage their blood cycle. When they practice well theyr cycle returns to premenstrual default

 

[Wu Ming Jen]

Start at the foundation. Movement is directed from the lower field, the center. if the center was the middle field one is top heavy and easily thrown of balance. the root of power is resistance of the earth and suspension of heaven. humanity is in the middle

 

We could  view the middle field as a womb that gives birth to the immortal fetus with alchemy training.

 

speaking specifically about post heaven of acquired energy men  work on the lower field associated with ego the main culprit for men and women work on middle field associated with emotions the main culprit for women.

 

Jing Chi and shen we call them 3 but in reality they are one energy when they divide we have trouble when the unite we give birth to the the immortal spirit or at least a better person and better health.

 

These energies have no physical location they are merely associated with the three demi physical locations known as the lower middle and upper fields.

 

This is the same for chakra system no physical location they are associated with locations and also a color that doesn't really exist we are born with these energies before we have a body to talk about.

 

Chakra means wheel they do not open or close they spin the higher frequency attract higher things into our lives

 

 

 

 

[Limahong]

8 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

Start at the foundation. Movement is directed from the lower field

 

Hi Ming Jen,

 

Yes ~ be it (a) Jing Chi Shen or (b) the chakras.

 

8 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

Jing Chi and Shen we call them 3 but in reality they are one energy when they divide we have trouble when the unite we give birth to the the immortal spirit or at least a better person and better health.

 

When (a) is ONE and... (b) is ONE... (a) + (b)... are also ONE? 

 

The body is ONE but the mind divides the body?

 

The mind also differentiates one body from another?

 

The mind may divide but it can also unite...

 

- Anand

 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Limahong
Enhance ...

[Wu Ming Jen]

4 hours ago, Limahong said:

 

Hi Ming Jen,

 

Yes ~ be it (a) Jing Chi Shen or (b) the chakras.

 

 

When (a) is ONE and... (b) is ONE... (a) + (b)... are also ONE? 

 

The body is ONE but the mind divides the body?

 

The mind also differentiates one body from another?

 

The mind may divide but it can also unite...

 

- Anand

 

Love it! Mind garbage needs to be taken out and disposed of properly. Unite and conquer 

[freeform]

On 26/07/2019 at 12:30 PM, Wu Ming Jen said:

We could  view the middle field as a womb that gives birth to the immortal fetus with alchemy training.

 

And the middle field in alchemical training (or in congenital forms of Neigong) generally isn’t located at the heart region - just to complicate matters

 

The answer to the OP is - no - work on the lower Dantien first (as in for the first decade of daily, disciplined training)... You’ll know when to move along.

[Limahong]

5 hours ago, freeform said:

And the middle field in alchemical training (or in congenital forms of Neigong) generally isn’t located at the heart region - just to complicate matters.

 

Hi freeform,

 

In the days of Lao Tze... 心 ... was not penned/recorded... as heart... a five letter word.

 

- Anand

 

Edited July 27, 2019 by Limahong
Enhance ...

[Rocky Lionmouth]

I really like your take on it @Wu Ming Jen, starting at the center and the lower field is precisely that afaik.

All things start at the center and must pass through it in going anywhere.

 

It’s the great equalizer, the Emperors position and where he stands is where the center is.

What litterature translations on alchemy i’ve read also speaks to this it seems (might be wrong of course), the center as True Earth is the necessary ingredient to both do and control the process.