Patterns of believers and non believers

[Pedro]

Agent Fox Mulder got a poster in his office with the big letters "I WANT TO BELIEVE", which represented the viewers standpoint and hopes for the series.

 

If you search for "empty force" videos in youtube you will probably notice a strange pattern. All the "victims" looks like "weird nerds", in some way "deformed".

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YiAUPKQ2dg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wFR2u69As0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJr2BdUTYkU

 

Or if you have ever visited a TCM or acupuncture course, there you may be get in contact with strange womens who claim that they are able to feel a energy burst from the acupuncture points, but later I found out they was in the middle of their menopause and hot flashes was common symptom for them.

 

I really want to believe, but sometime the weirdos are too weird. And believe me, I regard myself as a "nerd", but they are more nerdier than 20 clones of me put in a blender and distilled in a alchemical laboratory.

 

But there is the other side, the non believers, the skeptics or even the pseudoskeptics. If they are in some way correlated to things like aluminium or fluoride (dentists for example), then their scepticism is even worse. They regard qi as pure fantasy, there is no phenomena like nonlocality and for sure no sense in life, because everything started by pure chance and everything will end in pure chance.

 

And there is a pattern in their look too, for example James Randi looks like Charles Darwin:

http://cheezburger.com/1827157248

 

This could go on forever. Maybe this patterns are based on typical blockages these people have in common.

[Marblehead]

So which are you Pedro?

 

I'm a skeptic but I do try to remain open-minded until it is show and tell time.

 

I guess I just heard that "You can trust me." BS too often.

 

[windwalker]

10 hours ago, Pedro said:

If you search for "empty force" videos in youtube you will probably notice a strange pattern. All the "victims" looks like "weird nerds", in some way "deformed".

 

mmm,  not sure I should reply since you mention the "victims" as you call us, look like weird nerds.

 

kong jin, is something that many promot, but they do so in a way that strains the credibility of it. 

This talks about my teach in beijing 93 at the time of the clip.

 

"He would often be questioned by people passing by asking if it was real.

He would smile and say ” of course its not, they are faking it” The people asking would laugh we would smile, they would leave and we would go back to practice….It was only recently that any clips could be found of his work on the net posted by a close friend and taiji teacher.

路過的人們經常詢問他的太極拳是否是真的。他會微笑地說：“當然不是，他們都是裝出來的”問的人會大笑我們也會跟著微笑。之後他們離開，我們會繼續練拳……一直到最近才有一位太極拳老師兼好友將張師傅有關的影片發布在網路上。"

https://journeytoemptiness.com/2016/07/02/a-day-in-the-park/

 

I neither promot it, nor defend it...all I can say for those looking to understand it..Start by first understanding the basis by which  its based on, and why one feels a need to learn , or believe or not believe it....

 

Something I have looked into for over 10yrs and have documented a little bit in my blog.

not my teacher but illustrative of the topic.  

 

 

Many questions arise when viewing demos of  this nature.

 

Often the suggestion is that its faked or the students have been conditioned to react by subtle cues from the teacher.

 

A reasonable person might ask why?  what would be the point?

A better question might be:

How is it done

Why is it done

Is it useful

https://journeytoemptiness.com/2017/12/24/ripples-in-time/

 

Edited March 28, 2018 by windwalker

[Marblehead]

I won't speak for at against it but if it is real it is a result of reverberating harmonic energy.  And yes, such a thing as reverberating harmonic energy exists.

 

If one accepts that it is real the next question would be "How is that energy concentrated and applied?"

 

Again, I am skeptical but will remain open-minded if and until I can personally experience the process.

 

 

[windwalker]

6 hours ago, Pedro said:

I really want to believe

 

Its not a matter of believing, its a matter of knowing....which comes though study and experience. 

For me its not a belief, I know, this knowing is not always explainable but can be explained in many different ways depending on context by which one wants to view it in or can understand from.

 

 

Each attempting to clarify what is known by those that "know" to those wanting to understand or believe something that they do not.  .. 

 

They real question outside of ones self  "does it matter"

Edited March 28, 2018 by windwalker

[silent thunder]

I'm a skeptic, but I'm not a skepdick.

 

Due to a general lack of certainty about anything phenomenal, or noumenal, aside from there being awareness... I find ample space to allow for knowing that I don't know why and how many things occur and likely I never will...  and that's absolutely fine.  Some things don't require my understanding, to accept them when encountered.

 

Understanding is not a requisite for experiencing, or complying, or rejecting. 

 

I experienced several things in the presence of accomplished lineage holders that shook my paradigm.

 

What I had previously experienced and subsequently projected as possible and expected in 'reality', was rather radically altered not just once, or twice, but on a regular basis, when around these humans.  Hence the beautiful introduction of lack of certainty about previously held notions into my world view and with that, a healthy dose of gratitude at the exposure to phenomenon that pried open the rather rusty box in which I was maintaining those notions.

 

I'm thrilled to be in the mystery and as a good friend and one of my bosses at work said the other day. 

"I'd rather have questions I can't answer, than answers I can't question."

 

 

 

 

[Lost in Translation]

The world is a strange place.

 

People are strange.

 

I knew a guy who was injured and could not exercise anymore. He would eat chocolate all day to "teach" his body how to burn fat better.

 

I also knew someone who ran eight miles every day for the same reason.

 

Go figure.

[windwalker]

I would think it would be the results that matter as to the validity of any approach.

[Lost in Translation]

Just now, windwalker said:

I would think it would be the results that matter as to the validity of any approach.

 

Yes, one would think that. Sadly results are secondary to dogma for many people, and there is so much dogma ...

[silent thunder]

soon enough, their karma will run over their dogma... so all should balance out in the end. 

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, Pedro said:

Agent Fox Mulder got a poster in his office with the big letters "I WANT TO BELIEVE", which represented the viewers standpoint and hopes for the series.

 

If you search for "empty force" videos in youtube you will probably notice a strange pattern. All the "victims" looks like "weird nerds", in some way "deformed".

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YiAUPKQ2dg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wFR2u69As0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJr2BdUTYkU

 

Or if you have ever visited a TCM or acupuncture course, there you may be get in contact with strange womens who claim that they are able to feel a energy burst from the acupuncture points, but later I found out they was in the middle of their menopause and hot flashes was common symptom for them.

 

I really want to believe, but sometime the weirdos are too weird. And believe me, I regard myself as a "nerd", but they are more nerdier than 20 clones of me put in a blender and distilled in a alchemical laboratory.

 

But there is the other side, the non believers, the skeptics or even the pseudoskeptics. If they are in some way correlated to things like aluminium or fluoride (dentists for example), then their scepticism is even worse. They regard qi as pure fantasy, there is no phenomena like nonlocality and for sure no sense in life, because everything started by pure chance and everything will end in pure chance.

 

And there is a pattern in their look too, for example James Randi looks like Charles Darwin:

http://cheezburger.com/1827157248

 

This could go on forever. Maybe this patterns are based on typical blockages these people have in common.

 

 

No .... they just  'weird nerds '   .       You might be right, I suggest watching their  antics , fits, jumps, flips, hops  etc .  to analyse their specific  blockages in more details  ...... especially when they al jump in a line or wave ..... and especially when they cant manage the wave jump and after the first one they all get out of sync  ( means they should have practised more    )   . 

 

at 4 :00      ;   

 

 

 

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, silent thunder said:

soon enough, their karma will run over their dogma... so all should balance out in the end. 

 

 

That is not necessary ,,, all   the karma needs to do is to  imagine it is running over by the dogma  from a distance ......

 

[windwalker]

6 hours ago, Lost in Translation said:

People are strange.

 

yep