MLK 44

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Martin luther king was killed at 4.4
MLK IS 13 12 11 LETTER NUMBER
IN HEBREW 13 12 11 LETTERS IS
מלך (KING).
MLK IS KLM IF SPELLED FROM
RIGHT TO LEFT .
KLM IS ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINE
AND ITS SYMBOL IS THE CROWN
WITH 4 DOTES .
THE DUTCH MI IS MIVD
IV IS 4 , D IS 4 ,SO 44
LIKE MLK  DEATH DAY 4.4 .

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44 is all so king David  דוד
ד is 4 and ו is + ,so 4+4 isדוד
King David.
44 in gimatria is דם blood
And king David was bloody red.
דם  sound like dam.
Amster dam , roter dam .

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King David דוד is 44 (4+4)
44 is 8
King David was the 8 son of ישי his father.
King David had 8 wife in the bible.

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Today is 8 day of passover

haleluya הללויה

[gnome]

May I add something? That leads nowhere, but it's your choice. And you need to rest your head. This is not healthy.

[thelerner]

It'd be even more intriguing if Martin Luther King Jr had been killed by a Dutch Airplane that'd been painted red. 

 

Thing is, gematria works as long as you're creative and willing to force it a bit. 

 

For example, the date of death doesn't work, unless you knock out the year.  The man's full name wasn't Martin King or Martin Luther King, it was Martin Luther King Jr, but his real legal name would blow out the gematria.   Also JKLM isn't an airline, though that's not gematrian ofcourse, though googling JKLM gives you a first hit of Proudly Producing Energy For America.. given a few minutes I could probably link that company to Martin Luther King Junior, somehow, but why?? 

 

JKLM gives a gematria value of 38.  If I google Martin Luther King Jr. and 38.. what wonderous links will I get? 

Ah very poignant speech on 38 and death ofcourse.. “You may be 38 years old, as I happen to be. And one day, some great opportunity stands before you and calls you to stand up for some great principle, some great issue, some great cause. And you refuse to do it because you are afraid…. You refuse to do it because you want to live longer…. You’re afraid that you will lose your job, or you are afraid that you will be criticized or that you will lose your popularity, or you’re afraid that somebody will stab you, or shoot at you or bomb your house; so you refuse to take the stand.
Well, you may go on and live until you are 90, but you’re just as dead at 38 as you would be at 90. And the cessation of breathing in your life is but the belated announcement of an earlier death of the spirit.”

 

So, what does it mean that the letters of his name translated into numbers thru the hebrew alphabet = 38.. or 44.. well it can mean just about anything you want it to.  Hopefully something positive.  But in imo, it can mean what you want it to.

 

 

 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, gnome said:

May I add something? That leads nowhere, but it's your choice. And you need to rest your head. This is not healthy.

 

Indeed ,  one can observe this 'issue' developing and gaining momentum .

 

We had a guy in our town that would sit on the corner outside a cafe, drink endless cups of coffee and read the number plates of cars passing and parking and offer  gematrical interpretations  .....  out loud ... for everyone to hear  ... continually .

 

And thats all he ever said or talked about

 

 

 

[thelerner]

On the third hand, such things can also help hone awareness.  I have my own half crazed system of fortune telling based on coins I find on the street.  Each coin means something based on denomination (dimes bad), face up, face down, condition and particularly the year. 

 

Like most systems (imo) its mostly 'Rorschach-ian',  reflecting my state of mind and expectations as much as glimpsing the future, though in truth the two are not so separate.  It's not particularly accurate, yet I take the time to do it each time I find a coin.   Cause right or wrong, the focus is what's important, not the 'prophecy'. 

 

The 'light' side of superstition is honing awareness, looking closer at the world for synchronicity and symbols.  Not so bad really, if you keep it light and don't get into.. darker reflections.  (i think its because of a darker reflection that i commented here)

 

 

So viva la personal prophetic runes and devices.  They add spice to life, though best not to expect others to follow your own eccentricity. 

Edited April 7, 2018 by thelerner

[Nungali]

38 minutes ago, thelerner said:

On the third hand, such things can also help hone awareness.  I have my own half crazed system of fortune telling based on coins I find on the street.  Each coin means something based on denomination (dimes bad), face up, face down, condition and particularly the year. 

 

Like most systems (imo) its mostly 'Rorschach-ian',  reflecting my as much as glimpsing the future, though in truth the two are not so separate.  It's not particularly accurate, yet I take the time to do it each time I find a coin.   Cause right or wrong, the focus is what's important, not the 'prophecy'. 

 

I disagree ...   how does it  'hone awareness' ?   I can see this happening  with a process that describes the human psyche, like astrology or tarot, that , regardless of outcomes or predictions contains knowledge within the system ...  but random numbers, number plates, coins on the street and football results ?     This isnt 'honing awareness' , its the 'malpractice of a facility '

 

It is the prophesy or insight that is important , (or used to be )  along with the result ... its what made our ancestors 'the quick or the dead ' , that is, in the 'real world'    if they discerned signs and linked them together   correctly , it lead to survival or improvement  and development of intelligence.  Interpretation  leading to a good outcome, that is ,  NOT   reflecting the state of mind and expectations but "glimpsing  (anticipating correctly ) the future'   kept you alive .

 

Nowadays it doesnt matter since we have circumvented evolution ... any idiot can survive going around thinking all sorts of significance relating to the real world but it really coming from their own state of mind and expectations. IMO this is NOT 'honing awareness' , it using an intelligent faculty in an non intelligent way .

 

But I suppose it matters little , in modern times one  need not worry about becoming  a sabretooth supper and it 'just' means a further loss of human intelligence    ( those sabretooths were a great regulator of human intelligence    ..... via elimination  ) .

 

 

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The 'light' side of superstition is honing awareness, looking closer at the world for synchronicity and symbols.  Not so bad really, if you keep it light and don't get into.. darker reflections.  (i think its because of a darker reflection that i commented here)

 

 

So viva la personal prophetic runes and devices.  They add spice to life, though best not to expect others to follow your own eccentricity. 

 

 

'Spice'    , I suppose thats one way of looking at it . 

Edited April 7, 2018 by Nungali

[LAOLONG]

Jefferson airplane

 

 

"White Rabbit"
 

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call
Call Alice
When she was just small

When the men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head
Feed your head

[Nungali]

Cant wait to hear what all that means ... according to  " gimatria "       

 

 

 

 

"Pull up  ...      PULL UP JEFFERSON  !  "

 

 

Edited April 7, 2018 by Nungali

[gnome]

I'm all for shamanic intuitions, but sinchronicity is revealed IMO through interaction of people, not through numbers or mathematical calculations. Gematria, the jewish one ('cause there's a greek one) is only meant to be applied to deciphering the Torah, like the greek one was only used in religious concepts, not else. Those jews who use gematria in/for material life are no better than conspiracy theorists. 

I was going to say that this should belong to The Rabbit Hole, since you mentioned it, but even Alice's hole is a spiritual, live one, full of symbols and ideas, whereas you're dwelling in a dead one of calculations.

[thelerner]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

I disagree ...   how does it  'hone awareness' ?   I can see this happening  with a process that describes the human psyche, like astrology or tarot, that , regardless of outcomes or predictions contains knowledge within the system ...  but random numbers, number plates, coins on the street and football results ?     This isnt 'honing awareness' , its the 'malpractice of a facility '

 

'Spice'    , I suppose thats one way of looking at it . 

Personally it hones my awareness by making me more alert outside.  I find bills and coins, bracelets, wallets & purses all the time(& lots of pens).  Wallets, purses and jewelry I'll ask around for the owner, leave at the front desk or lacking that leave'em where I found them(ie good karma yoga). 

 

When things are lost outside, I'm the person to call, not because of psychic ability but I've honed my awareness.  There are tricks, angle of sun to where you're walking shows reflections.  Keeping the eyes (& mind) in certain focuses.  Probably helps to walk quite alot too.

 

Coins.. you see the relevance in say (randomly shuffled) tarot, but not in a coin.  That might be a lack of imagination.  Personally I don't see the difference.  Maybe coins are a little richer since they have persons on them, symbolism (explosive as of late) and dates rich in history(which cards lack).  Like cards they have 2 sides, which in my reading has meaning.  As does there wear and tear.   I think like tarot & astrology much of the value I find is as I wrote Rorschach-ian.

 

This heightened finding ability is part conscious, part unconscious field of awareness.  Trained over decades because I took an interest in it.  Its multi-dimensional too, interpretation requires a knowledge of history to feel the dates; reading history books and the daily- 'On this Date' in the newspaper keeps refreshing ones knowledge of what happened during certain years.

 

As long as such personal superstitions are kept on the light side, I don't think there's any problem with them.  Traveling around, meeting people, I have to say those with quirks and interesting (but positive) superstitions add a certain spice to my life. 

 

People like 'Guru' Gil who wrote his own gem-atria torah, a whole book of just numbers.  It had meaning to him, and he'd see connections and numbers everywhere.  Good guy, very interesting.  As long as its positive, more power to him and such eccentricities allow one to see the world in a different way. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 8, 2018 by thelerner

[Nungali]

On 08/04/2018 at 9:48 AM, gnome said:

I'm all for shamanic intuitions, but sinchronicity is revealed IMO through interaction of people, not through numbers or mathematical calculations. Gematria, the jewish one ('cause there's a greek one) is only meant to be applied to deciphering the Torah, like the greek one was only used in religious concepts, not else. Those jews who use gematria in/for material life are no better than conspiracy theorists. 

I was going to say that this should belong to The Rabbit Hole, since you mentioned it, but even Alice's hole is a spiritual, live one, full of symbols and ideas, whereas you're dwelling in a dead one of calculations.

 

Dear Mr Gnome ,

 

'Intuitions' work best in areas we are already expert in , thats been proven in studies .    The traditional shaman, who might have to 'intuit' things , like the amount of cull and preserve of the herd to last through winter depending on the type of winter ( not enough - starve, too  much - impact on next springs breeding stock )  , might seem like a ritual , magic, and 'communication with spirits' but he is actually going on all the specialist information logged into his unconscious and  combines that with the most recent observations of flora, fauna and weather patterns .

 

....   a bit like an engineer  looking with his eyes and ' No ... that isnt 3/100th of an inch, that 2/1000th of an inch .   Seems impossible and 'other worldly' to us .

 

I agree with your comments on  synchronicity   and   Gematria  .    What we have above is devolved from Gematria >  Hermetic 'Gematria'   >   numerology  >   New Age "spontaneous'  Gimatria .         

 

( A note; As Gnome pointed out re the traditional usages, this is important , any Gematric code is to help further  understand the system in which it is being used  ,  not to be applied  all over the place to everything.  For example, in some cases one has to learn, by heart. numerous hermetic correspondences ( which include Hermetic Gematric  values and associations ) to be able to take part in Lodge initiations, so as to understand the highly symbolic and visually demonstrated 'knowledge lecture'  of that degree .    Such knowledge often appears and is communicated in symbols ... to get that message across  ( eg, the Masonic Tracing Board ) . It isnt meant to apply outside that context .

 

Like many the overt claims of many 'conspiracy theorists'  these are exactly the sort of things people with  'unbalanced mental' issues do .  Now, I am not saying  everyone that does such things is mentally unstable , but we all know that when someone IS really mentally unstable ... they abound with conspiracy theories and 'out of context' associations .

 

 

[Nungali]

On 08/04/2018 at 10:53 AM, thelerner said:

Personally it hones my awareness by making me more alert outside.

 

Sure. But being aware of things and finding them isnt the same as giving the images on them significance that relate to other things.

 

 

On 08/04/2018 at 10:53 AM, thelerner said:

 

When things are lost outside, I'm the person to call, not because of psychic ability but I've honed my awareness.  There are tricks, angle of sun to where you're walking shows reflections.  Keeping the eyes (& mind) in certain focuses.  Probably helps to walk quite alot too.

 

Great practice !  But see my comment above .

 

 

On 08/04/2018 at 10:53 AM, thelerner said:

 

Coins.. you see the relevance in say (randomly shuffled) tarot, but not in a coin.

 

Thats because tarot deck , regardless of it being shuffled or used for any divination has a system in it of knowledge and teaching (if you know about that )  , the same way as astrology can map the human psyche .  Coins and notes  dont have that  .

 

They are money .

 

On 08/04/2018 at 10:53 AM, thelerner said:

 

 

 

  That might be a lack of imagination. 

 

Or it ight be an increase of understanding .

 

On 08/04/2018 at 10:53 AM, thelerner said:

 

 

 

Personally I don't see the difference.  Maybe coins are a little richer since they have persons on them, symbolism (explosive as of late) and dates rich in history(which cards lack).  Like cards they have 2 sides, which in my reading has meaning.  As does there wear and tear.   I think like tarot & astrology much of the value I find is as I wrote Rorschach-ian.

 

This heightened finding ability is part conscious, part unconscious field of awareness.  Trained over decades because I took an interest in it.  Its multi-dimensional too, interpretation requires a knowledge of history to feel the dates; reading history books and the daily- 'On this Date' in the newspaper keeps refreshing ones knowledge of what happened during certain years.

 

As long as such personal superstitions are kept on the light side, I don't think there's any problem with them.  Traveling around, meeting people, I have to say those with quirks and interesting (but positive) superstitions add a certain spice to my life. 

 

People like 'Guru' Gil who wrote his own gem-atria torah, a whole book of just numbers.  It had meaning to him, and he'd see connections and numbers everywhere.  Good guy, very interesting.  As long as its positive, more power to him and such eccentricities allow one to see the world in a different way. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a difference, I will explain it later (visitor turned up )

[gnome]

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Dear Mr Gnome ,

 

'Intuitions' work best in areas we are already expert in , thats been proven in studies .    The traditional shaman, who might have to 'intuit' things , like the amount of cull and preserve of the herd to last through winter depending on the type of winter ( not enough - starve, too  much - impact on next springs breeding stock )  , might seem like a ritual , magic, and 'communication with spirits' but he is actually going on all the specialist information logged into his unconscious and  combines that with the most recent observations of flora, fauna and weather patterns .

 

....   a bit like an engineer  looking with his eyes and ' No ... that isnt 3/100th of an inch, that 2/1000th of an inch .   Seems impossible and 'other worldly' to us .

 

I agree with your comments on  synchronicity   and   Gematria  .    What we have above is devolved from Gematria >  Hermetic 'Gematria'   >   numerology  >   New Age "spontaneous'  Gimatria .         

 

( A note; As Gnome pointed out re the traditional usages, this is important , any Gematric code is to help further  understand the system in which it is being used  ,  not to be applied  all over the place to everything.  For example, in some cases one has to learn, by heart. numerous hermetic correspondences ( which include Hermetic Gematric  values and associations ) to be able to take part in Lodge initiations, so as to understand the highly symbolic and visually demonstrated 'knowledge lecture'  of that degree .    Such knowledge often appears and is communicated in symbols ... to get that message across  ( eg, the Masonic Tracing Board ) . It isnt meant to apply outside that context .

 

Like many the overt claims of many 'conspiracy theorists'  these are exactly the sort of things people with  'unbalanced mental' issues do .  Now, I am not saying  everyone that does such things is mentally unstable , but we all know that when someone IS really mentally unstable ... they abound with conspiracy theories and 'out of context' associations .

 

 

 

Exactly my point. Gematria is used in those sepecific systems to help organize ideas by encoding them in texts or inscriptions, as was the case with greek gematria.

Shamanic intuitions relate the worldly phenomena to the spiritual reality or noumena. Seeing signs wherever you look is just the associative animal tendency in us, has no spiritual goal or spiritual orientation. The kingdom of heaven can only be found inside, as a guru once said...

[thelerner]

12 hours ago, Nungali said:

There is a difference, I will explain it later (visitor turned up )

Please, don't bother on my account.  You've got a guest and hopefully they have idiosyncrasies that they're dying for you to critique.   

You don't have to follow what I do, man.  Go your own way.    

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, thelerner said:

Please, don't bother on my account.  You've got a guest and hopefully they have idiosyncrasies that they're dying for you to critique.   

You don't have to follow what I do, man.  Go your own way.    

 

Ohhh , its no bother at all .    I awake before dawn and often spend some time on TB before sun comes up. Its quiet comfy propped up in bed with a hot coffee.

 

  The guest had massive problems which I was trying to help her with -  and they intersect with massive problems in the community and create suffering.   We talked, she got angry complained got upset cried wailed etc etc .... then came to a better understanding and a course of action. I spent a few hours with her . Hopefully the problem is moving towards resolution. for all concerned . Its a serious problem and impact many people and families.      So your hope above was completely misplaced .

 

I am in no way 'following what you do '  ,  if I see things written that I consider wrong, incorrect or potentially dangerous ,   or trivialities touted as having some  spiritual significance from anyone. I will speak up and offer the views I have developed over a life time of study of such things like divination,  symbolism,  systems  of psychic anatomy , hermetics  , Tarot ... in depth years long study . And not just off my own bat ... I had to learn, be examined and advanced by 3rd parties ... people outside of myself ... objectively .

 

So to finish off, for anyone still interested in why one should use a system of divination and interpretation instead of going off one's own 'Rorschach  associations '    ( and this just does not apply to divination, it relates to many things - teachings and applications in Daoism , TCM , etc . )  ; first , again consider what I already wrote above, then the 'resultant dynamic' might be best explained by this  well known (to some here ) story  ;  he infamous interpretation of the RW 6 of cups .

 

The systematic interpretation is a happy balanced emotion state ; 'happiness'  , fondness, support, affection,   etc .

 

 

One persons  ( ' Rorschach '   ) interpretation was   ... 'child molesting'  ... a  weird dwarf like  man tries to tempt a little girl with a gift, while the figure of authority in the background, turns his back and walks away .

 

This created a massive argument on the now defunct  AE Tarot site ; one lot argued for  'Traditional' interpretation, another for the 'Rorschach' version AND their rite to be able interpret any card or symbol according to their own '  Rorchachian  whims' .

 

I think its pretty obvious that the child molesting interpretation was coloured by that persons experience . Now, here is the problem .

 

If one is reading the card for a querent and the querent themselves makes that association, fine. Maybe they want to talk about this issue, and their might even be some advice in the reading , using the wisdom inherent in the system / deck .  But for the reader to make this interpretation and then project that into the  reading for the querent is totally off. They would be advising the querent about their own issues, problems and possibly their own inability to resolve the issue .

 

That could really mess someone up . ... certain types of people that is , especially those that have a propensity to  continually seek advise from divination in the first place .

 

Of course if one isnt reading for a person or isnt giving found coins extra significance  and 'reading them psychically'   for others but just doing it for themselves ... thats different . We are free to mess up our own psyche however we want .

 

 

 

[thelerner]

Yes..um thanks for the reminder that the 6 card in tarot is not about child molesting.   Very helpful and glad you're aware of it.. surprising where your mind goes.. yet that's  pretty much the kind of reply I expected. 

 

[Nungali]

21 minutes ago, thelerner said:

Yes..um thanks for the reminder that the 6 card in tarot is not about child molesting. 

 

I see you totally missed the point of the example , regarding interpretations within systems as opposed to ones own 'Rorschach understandings'. Perhaps other readers got it  though

 

21 minutes ago, thelerner said:

 

 

 

  Very helpful and glad you're aware of it.. surprising where your mind goes.. yet that's  pretty much the kind of reply I expected. 

 

 

No , the point was ... it is surprising where  other people's minds go when they interpret 'signs' according to their own unbalanced psychology, hang ups, traumas, etc .     Thats the whole point , understanding the system keeps one 'in check' when 'interpreting' . 

 

 

[thelerner]

??  huh, you strangely brought child molestation into this thread.  I'm just surprised you went there. 

Again, I'm glad you get the concept that astrology isn't about child abuse.  Excellent. 

 

kidding, though in truth what I personally like about astrology (IChing) is that it focuses the mind on certain subjects in ways that archetypal, which to me allows quite a bit of latitude.  I don't see the value of it as predicting the future, rather its better at focusing the mind symbolically which is a powerful tool.  Giving it something to chew on.  My coins do something for me. 

 

I'm glad your fighting to keep your interpretations out of the gutter.  Thankfully I don't need to. 

 

Edited April 9, 2018 by thelerner

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Nungali in your post you are under
The influence of MLK 44.
44 in gimatria is טלה baby lamb
The symbol in Jewish astrology
To April (MLK isמלך king,April is in
Jewdaism month of kings )
44  in gimatria is ילד child .
The astrological personality of April born .
44 is דם blood .
The red color of astrological color
Of April .
 

[thelerner]

fwiw, it's good to remember that Hebrew has 22 (main) letters, and since many words are built on common roots (like most languages),  numbers can have quite a few words attached to them.  This also complicates reading Hebrew since the vowels in ancient (& most modern) writing are not shown.  In modern times there's an understand of what the word is, whereas reading old texts there can be debate and differing traditions on which word the text is about.  Cause it's like reading nglsh wtht th vwls. 

[9th]

I think the word "Alphabet" itself is hebrew-ish as well...

[9th]

but as usual... wtf do i know?