Jonesboy Posted April 12, 2018 From The Triadic Heart of Siva Abhinavagupta refers to this concept of the spiritual family (samtana) in the TA. because the notions of 'self and 'other' are equally imaginary, howsoever many become united with the teacher, he forms a single self with all of them and, as such, is called "perfected one" (siddha) and "liberated one." Abhinavagupta continues: The group that is constituted by the teacher, the teacher's wife, the brothers, and sons is not generated by a connection of blood, but rather a connection of consciousness. This larger consciousness-group is experienced during the group ritual. In a revealing passage Abhinavagupta says: Consciousness, which is composed of all things, enters into a state of contraction due to the differences generated by separate bodies, but it returns to a state of oneness, to a state of expansion, when all of its components are able to reflect back on each other. The totality of our own rays of consciousness are reflected back one on the other when, overflowing in the individual consciousness of all present as if in so many mirrors, and without any effort whatsoever in an intense fashion, it becomes universal. For this reason, when a group of people gather together during the performance of a dance or of song, etc., there will be true enjoyment when they are concentrated and immersed in the spectacle all together and not one by one. Consciousness which is overflowing with bliss, even when considered individually, attains in these spectacles a state of unity and, because of that, a state of full and perfect blissfulness. The absence of causes of contraction such as jealousy, hate, etc., allows consciousness in such moments fully to expand without obstacles in a fullness of bliss, but if even one of those present is not concentrated and absorbed, then consciousness remains offended as at the touch of a surface full of depressions and protuberances because he stands out there as a heterogeneous element. This is the reason why during the rites of adoration of the circle (cakra) one must remain attentive and not allow anyone to enter whose consciousness is in a dispersed state and not concentrated and absorbed, because he will be a source of contraction. In the practice of the circle (cakra) one must adore all the bodies of all those present because since they have all penetrated in the fullness of consciousness they are in reality as if they were our own body. If through some negligence a stranger succeeds in entering, the initiated ritual may proceed together with him provided that he does not enter in a state of contraction. Such a one, if divine grace falls upon him, will become concentrated and absorbed with the various rituals, but if he is struck by a sinister and malevolent power of the Lord, he will criticize the group. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesboy Posted April 13, 2018 Any thoughts or comments? How about when he mentions “because the notions of 'self and 'other' are equally imaginary, howsoever manybecome united with the teacher, he forms a single self with all of them”. or “the circle (cakra) one must adore all the bodies of all those present becausesince they have all penetrated in the fullness of consciousness they are in reality as if they were our own body.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilumairen Posted April 16, 2018 On 4/12/2018 at 11:47 AM, Jonesboy said: If through some negligence a stranger succeeds in entering, the initiated ritual may proceed together with him provided that he does not enter in a state of contraction. Such a one, if divine grace falls upon him, will become concentrated and absorbed with the various rituals, but if he is struck by a sinister and malevolent power of the Lord, he will criticize the group. How does the above align with the bit you highlighted? "because the notions of 'self and 'other' are equally imaginary" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesboy Posted April 16, 2018 It’s kinda like just because you feel energy it doesn’t mean everyone does. You have to be open to it. If someone comes in not believing, totally against the idea, practices, etc. chances are they won’t experience anything and will just disparage the practice because they feel nothing from it. Were against the idea to begin with. I have seen this a few times myself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted April 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, Jonesboy said: It’s kinda like just because you feel energy it doesn’t mean everyone does. You have to be open to it. If someone comes in not believing, totally against the idea, practices, etc. chances are they won’t experience anything and will just disparage the practice because they feel nothing from it. Were against the idea to begin with. I have seen this a few times myself. I think this section is saying a bit more on the topic. In such a KS ritual, you need to remember that it is a guru to group of students practice. As the text states... In the practice of the circle (cakra) one must adore all the bodies of all those present because since they have all penetrated in the fullness of consciousness they are in reality as if they were our own body. The guru is connecting the entire group of participants, sort of like setting up a daisy chain of connections within "Self". In such a situation, all of the members are affected by the underlying energy/light. If any one of the members becomes overwhelmed and pulls back (contracts energetically), the entire chain will crash within the space of such a KS guru. Also, the "malevolent power" is really just an energy overload that causes someone to freak out a little. p.s. A similiar practice based upon an emptiness (rather than Self) framework, does not crash the entire chain. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesboy Posted April 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jeff said: I think this section is saying a bit more on the topic. In such a KS ritual, you need to remember that it is a guru to group of students practice. As the text states... In the practice of the circle (cakra) one must adore all the bodies of all those present because since they have all penetrated in the fullness of consciousness they are in reality as if they were our own body. The guru is connecting the entire group of participants, sort of like setting up a daisy chain of connections within "Self". In such a situation, all of the members are affected by the underlying energy/light. If any one of the members becomes overwhelmed and pulls back (contracts energetically), the entire chain will crash within the space of such a KS guru. Also, the "malevolent power" is really just an energy overload that causes someone to freak out a little. p.s. A similiar practice based upon an emptiness (rather than Self) framework, does not crash the entire chain. Thank you, I felt I was missing something but couldn’t put my finger on it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites