What the Nazi hate the most

[LAOLONG]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling

The Nazi coudnt predict the mischling trait

Misch is the german word for Mix

Edited April 20, 2018 by 121

[Marblehead]

And that is rooted in the theory of parallel evolution of the three races of man:  Caucasian, African & Peking

 

But by the 1900s the races were already well mixed.  The Nazi's efforts were ridiculous.

 

[LAOLONG]

Most ashkenazi jews are mischling

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

[windwalker]

28 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

And that is rooted in the theory of parallel evolution of the three races of man:  Caucasian, African & Peking

 

But by the 1900s the races were already well mixed.  The Nazi's efforts were ridiculous.

 

 

"in physical anthropology the term is one of the three general racial classifications of humans — Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid"

 

 

"Craniometry is the measurement of cranial features in order
to classify people according to race, criminal temperament,
intelligence, etc[1]
Using the skull-based categorization, anthropologists
identified three or four racial groups;

 

• Caucasoid characterized by a tall dolichocephalic
skull, receded zygomas, large brow ridge and
projecting-narrow nasal apertures.

• Negroid characterized by a short dolichocephalic skull,
receded zygomas and wide nasal apertures.

• Mongoloid characterized by a medium brachycephalic
skull, projecting zygomas, small brow ridge and small
nasal apertures.[2]

When using phenotypic variation to measure the similarity
between the populations of a species one should analyse the
variation in several characters simultaneously. 

http://www.jpsr.pharmainfo.in/Documents/Volumes/Vol6Issue11/jpsr06111407.pdf

Edited April 20, 2018 by windwalker

[ralis]

43 minutes ago, windwalker said:

 

"in physical anthropology the term is one of the three general racial classifications of humans — Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid"

 

 

"Craniometry is the measurement of cranial features in order
to classify people according to race, criminal temperament,
intelligence, etc[1]
Using the skull-based categorization, anthropologists
identified three or four racial groups;

 

• Caucasoid characterized by a tall dolichocephalic
skull, receded zygomas, large brow ridge and
projecting-narrow nasal apertures.

• Negroid characterized by a short dolichocephalic skull,
receded zygomas and wide nasal apertures.

• Mongoloid characterized by a medium brachycephalic
skull, projecting zygomas, small brow ridge and small
nasal apertures.[2]

When using phenotypic variation to measure the similarity
between the populations of a species one should analyse the
variation in several characters simultaneously. 

http://www.jpsr.pharmainfo.in/Documents/Volumes/Vol6Issue11/jpsr06111407.pdf

 

Cut and pasting one paper from a dental college teacher in India who claims a relationship of morphological characteristics to race obtains what point in your mind? Further, geneticists have debunked racial theory on the basis of evolutionary genetic research in which the study of the genetic code leads to one conclusion, there is one species of human, i.e, Homo sapiens. Moreover, there are no racial categories within Homo sapiens, as social constructionists have proposed, in which such beliefs are circa 1850-early to mid 1900's. The cut/paste quote is based on racist phrenology which has no basis in science. Positing a claim that anthropologists are phrenologists is patently absurd! 

 

Homo sapien DNA genetic code is based on four nucleotides, ATGC. We all share the same DNA, in various combinations.

 

https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/gallery.php?ModuleId=10007679&MediaType=PH

 

 

[ralis]

2 hours ago, 121 said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling

The Nazi coudnt predict the mischling trait

Misch is the german word for Mix

 

Point being?

[windwalker]

2 hours ago, ralis said:

what point in your mind?

 

Whats you point,  can humans be identified as to be from different groups based on bone structure alone?

 

[Marblehead]

Well, the OP was about the Nazis and their desire to keep the Aryan (Caucasian) race pure.  It never was pure because it had mixed with Neanderthal from the very beginning.

 

A recent DNA study showed that Caucasians had the greatest mix of Neanderthal DNA, the Mongoloids second highest, and the Negroid the least.

 

A different study has suggested that Neanderthal made it as far as what is now Israel but there is no evidence of Neanderthal having ever ventured into Africa.

 

So a question might be:  Where did the Neanderthal originate if they didn't originate in Africa?  

 

 

 

 

[ralis]

1 hour ago, Marblehead said:

Well, the OP was about the Nazis and their desire to keep the Aryan (Caucasian) race pure.  It never was pure because it had mixed with Neanderthal from the very beginning.

 

A recent DNA study showed that Caucasians had the greatest mix of Neanderthal DNA, the Mongoloids second highest, and the Negroid the least.

 

A different study has suggested that Neanderthal made it as far as what is now Israel but there is no evidence of Neanderthal having ever ventured into Africa.

 

So a question might be:  Where did the Neanderthal originate if they didn't originate in Africa?  

 

 

 

 

Provide references to said study. 

[Marblehead]

7 minutes ago, ralis said:

Provide references to said study. 

Ain't gonna' happen.  They were TV documentaries that I watched months ago.

 

I have no idea if those studies have been validated or not as I did no backup research.

 

[windwalker]

"Over the past 150 years, scientists have found bones belonging to an extinct population of ancient humans. These ancient humans are known as Neanderthals and were named after the site where their bones were first identified (Neander Valley, Germany). Neanderthals and modern humans share a common ancestor as well as many morphological and social traits, but differed in key respects. Over the past decade, genome sequencing has shed more light on the Neanderthal and our complicated relationship with them."  

 

"

For many years, scientists were limited to scraping together clues from fragments of bones and other materials to discover who we are and where we come from. New techniques have allowed scientists to look even closer at DNA hidden within those bones. While the full picture of our past is still emerging, it is clear that as early as 50,000 years ago there were at least three different types of humans.

 

Although only one of these groups (so-called "anatomically-modern humans") survived, we now know that they interbred with the other groups, including Neanderthals, along the way.

 

23andMe customers with Neanderthal variants have a direct Neanderthal ancestor—a grandparent to the 250th degree. What that means is still uncertain, but it's fascinating to think that we may have inherited some of our traits and behaviors from them."

 

disclosure: 

Used their service to understand some of my own back ground according to family stories 

the results confirmed what had been said,  and I felt growing up. 

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[Apech]

1 hour ago, Marblehead said:

Well, the OP was about the Nazis and their desire to keep the Aryan (Caucasian) race pure.  It never was pure because it had mixed with Neanderthal from the very beginning.

 

A recent DNA study showed that Caucasians had the greatest mix of Neanderthal DNA, the Mongoloids second highest, and the Negroid the least.

 

A different study has suggested that Neanderthal made it as far as what is now Israel but there is no evidence of Neanderthal having ever ventured into Africa.

 

So a question might be:  Where did the Neanderthal originate if they didn't originate in Africa?  

 

 

 

 

 

Just on a side note Aryan means 'noble' in Sanskrit and also in the early Persian language - in fact Iran and Aryan are the same word.  So the Aryans are Iranians and Indians.  Why the Nazis thought they were white north west European is puzzling - except of course it is all based on crazed pseudo science.

[Marblehead]

Yep.  Let's face it, the Nazis were screwed up in the mind.  Wanted to make themselves a superior race of man.

 

For whatever the reason, it seems that Aryan was used by the Nazis to indicate "anti-Jewish".  Still is, I think.

 

I looked into "Aryan Nation" here in the US and it seems that this "anti-Jewish" thing is still alive and well.  Sad.

 

 

 

[windwalker]

8 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

Yep.  Let's face it, the Nazis were screwed up in the mind.  Wanted to make themselves a superior race of man.

 

 

No less so then other human groups / cultures.  They acted on it,  the history is still recent but no less

barbaric then other past histories of human groups....some of which is still on going. 

 

 

[Marblehead]

Yeah, I guess we all need someone we are better than.

 

[Apech]

2 hours ago, Marblehead said:

Yeah, I guess we all need someone we are better than.

 

 

 

I'm still looking.

[Marblehead]

Take a trip to London.  I'm sure you will find someone.

 

[Apech]

1 minute ago, Marblehead said:

Take a trip to London.  I'm sure you will find someone.

 

 

The Queen?

[Marblehead]

1 minute ago, Apech said:

 

The Queen?

No, not that one.  I got in trouble once for suggesting that there was no purpose of having a queen if a society had an elected government.

 

 

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Maybe they were inspired by the Bible/Torah? 

 Deuteronomy 7 

Driving Out the Nations 1When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.a Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah polesb and burn their idols in the fire. 6For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

[thelerner]

1 hour ago, Golden Dragon Shining said:

Maybe they were inspired by the Bible/Torah?

No.  Golden Dragon, the Nazi party was started by a man named Adolph Hitler.  He was raised Catholic but as an adult turned against that religion.  While giving it lip service at times early in his rise, he promoted "Positive Christianity",^** a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.^[11][12]

Which is the opposite of what you're proposing.

 

In power he sought to reduce the influence of Christianity on society and encouraged a Paganistic cult based on strength and obedience.   For more information see- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler ** notation from this source

 

 

Fingers crossed this doesn't provide an opening for an anti-Semitic rant.

Edited April 20, 2018 by thelerner

[thelerner]

I agree with the voices that say we.. the human race are mutts and luckily so.  Genetic diversity makes for stronger genes.  Though for all our shapes and colors genetically we're not all that diverse.  Seems like modern genetic anthropology is finding ancestors beyond Neanderthal, adding Denisovians (https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/denisovan/) into the mix too. 

 

Along the way were near extinctions during ice ages, some may have driven the human population down to the 1,000's.  We've been around a couple 100,000 years.  Our history is a rough one.  But we're here, against long odds and hopefully we're learning.  Prejudice and racism seem to be down, and there's a better grasp that we're all in this together. 

[ralis]

1 minute ago, thelerner said:

I agree with the voices that say we.. the human race are mutts and luckily so.  Genetic diversity makes for stronger genes.  Though for all our shapes and colors genetically we're not all that diverse.  Seems like modern genetic anthropology is finding ancestors beyond Neanderthal, adding Denisovians (https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/denisovan/) into the mix too. 

 

Along the way were near extinctions during ice ages, some may have driven the human population down to the 1,000's.  We've been around a couple 100,000 years.  Our history is a rough one.  But we're here, against long odds and hopefully we're learning.  Prejudice and racism seem to be down, and there's a better grasp that we're all in this together. 

 

The 6th mass extinction is underway per findings of the rapid rate of species becoming extinct.

[windwalker]

2 hours ago, thelerner said:

Genetic diversity makes for stronger genes. 

 

Not really true, only true when defective or genetic traits are allowed to survive and continue to propagate.  The idea of genetic diversity in human terms is needed because we have  a culture and tech that allows those to survive that normally would not this is not played out in nature were its the strongest that tend to win the right to propagate. 

Many here have some romantic idea of aboriginal cultures, most of which live along the lines of natural selection were only the most fit survie 

 

Some cultures are taking steps to mitigate this 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by windwalker

[windwalker]

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The learner said:  there's a better grasp that we're all in this together. 

 

Not for  most of the world in case you haven't noticed. Unfortunately they seem to want to go to places where this is true

eventually turning into the places they left from.  A problem   

 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by windwalker