Can We Know Truth?

[voidisyinyang]

16 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

precisely wandelaar, Now, suppose we western mathematicians might find a frequency with O(N) time, would that refute the uncertainty principle?

Did you read the pdfs I posted yet? Hiley explains that Heisenberg was wrong about uncertainty.

So Heisenberg thought the uncertainty was due to the measurement process relying on technology interfering with the quantum energy - since quantum energy is based on frequency. So the higher the resolution of the measurement, the higher the energy, which then limits what can be seen, since it interferes with the object being measured. As Hiley explains actually position-momentum uncertainty is from time-frequency uncertainty. But, as Alain Connes points out, as well as others, the time-frequency uncertainty is actually due to noncommutative phase.

 

So the noncommutative algebra is the new science to overcome this uncertainty relation - Hiley has been working with "weak measurements" which means directly measuring the quantum correlations "before" the "collapse" of the wave function into amplitude squared as the probability location. So the weak measurement is also what Feynman modeled as the advanced time trajectories - from the future - in the noncommutative phase "pre-space" as Hiley details.

 

The whole issue here is how time is measured. Science measures time geometrically - so the uncertainty is based on 4pi due to, the quantum spin as a sphere. Since it is noncommutative then it means the 1/2 spin has to take two rotations as 720 degrees to resolve to a symmetric measurement that overcomes the uncertainty relation. But in meditation we do not define time as a visual geometric measurement. So science has proven that listening is up to 10 times faster that time-frequency uncertainty - and so as Dr. Mae-Wan Ho points out - this is due to quantum phase coherence. Also Dr. William Bisalek (now professor at Princeton) points this out - as does quantum physicist Lawrence Domash (previously at Hampshire college) and as I mentioned, CIA mind control scientist Dr. Andrija Puharich. So "listening" as logical inference does directly overcome time-frequency uncertainty because it engages directly with the noncommutative phase as the 5th dimension, as the process of "pure time" as Professor Hiley calls it (referencing Hamilton).

 

So due to relativity even zero and infinity are "relative" whereas only the phase is superluminal - as Louis de Broglie figured out - for both quantum and relativity to be real, then there HAS to be "two" times - one from the future that is superluminal phase and one from the past. So "frequency" as a concept is defined by the logarithmic math but as math professor Luigi Borzacchini details, actually logarithmic math was created from music theory! And this music theory was wrong - as I have detailed as well - since it covered up the noncommutative phase logic. The Pre-Socratic music of Pythagoreans was the same as Daoist logic, and is the same as the oldest philosophy of India - the "three gunas."

[Marblehead]

5 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

I could start another topic to calculate the effects.

Please don't if it's solely for my purpose.  I trust that you know more about this stuff than I do.  And as I'm not planning to jump out of any airplanes the knowledge would be basically useless.

 

 

[whitesilk]

27 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

Are you referring to the complexity of calculations? And what frequency are you talking about. How does this all relate  to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle? In mathematics of the non-VIYY type we need to be precise about what we are talking about, otherwise the discussion will lead nowhere. 

 

 

alright, modens ponens -> 'the way of affirming through affirming' So I refer to the wiki link I posted, in which it states that the standard deviation in time multiplied by the standard deviation in frequency is constant, which is actually the only formula on that entire page that I can understand. So, since a fft algorithm, let us say is more efficient, O ( N log N ) vs. a ft algorithm O ( N^2 ) let us start with an fft algorithm by the numbers. A power of 2 is needed for the fft to work properly. Say we have a window size of 4096 samples, and we are processing 48k audio. The frequency resolution would be relative to the window size. [(freq - (freq - 1) / 4096) * 48k == 0.000244 * 48k == 11.7185 hz], Now if we upped to near a second of audio ,[(1 / 32768) * 48k == 1.46484375 hz] we have lower frequency resolution, and more time resolution.

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[whitesilk]

12 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

complexity of calculations

 

Yes, I am referring to the time complexity, didn't I state that? I am sorry if it is jargon that I was taught.

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[wandelaar]

11 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

alright, modens ponens -> 'the way of affirming through affirming' So I refer to the wiki link I posted, in which it states that the standard deviation in time multiplied by the standard deviation in frequency is constant, which is actually the only formula on that entire page that I can understand. So, since a fft algorithm, let us say is more efficient, O ( N log N ) vs. a ft algorithm O ( N^2 ) let us start with an fft algorithm by the numbers. A power of 2 is needed for the fft to work properly. Say we have a window size of 4096 samples, and we are processing 48k audio. The frequency resolution would be relative to the window size. [(freq - (freq - 1) / 4096) * 48k == 0.000244 * 48k == 11.7185 hz], Now if we upped to near a second of audio ,[(1 / 32768) * 48k == 1.46484375 hz] we have lower frequency resolution, and more time resolution.

 

The link you posted is not about algorithms or their complexity... 

 

See the video I posted.

Edited September 29, 2018 by wandelaar

[voidisyinyang]

15 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

 

 

alright, modens ponens -> 'the way of affirming through affirming' So I refer to the wiki link I posted, in which it states that the standard deviation in time multiplied by the standard deviation in frequency is constant, which is actually the only formula on that entire page that I can understand. So, since a fft algorithm, let us say is more efficient, O ( N log N ) vs. a ft algorithm O ( N^2 ) let us start with an fft algorithm by the numbers. A power of 2 is needed for the fft to work properly. Say we have a window size of 4096 samples, and we are processing 48k audio. The frequency resolution would be relative to the window size. [(freq - (freq - 1) / 4096) * 48k == 0.000244 * 48k == 11.7185 hz], Now if we upped to near a second of audio ,[(1 / 32768) * 48k == 1.46484375 hz] we have lower frequency resolution, and more time resolution.

 

I go into this calculations - in the pdf I posted - human hearing is up to ten times faster than the time it takes to measure the frequency.

https://ecoechoinvasives.blogspot.com/2018/03/why-time-frequency-uncertainty-is.html

So this blog post goes into the details.

Keep in mind that "Wikipedia" is inherently against anything considered "woo woo" but in that blog post I cite the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center physicists discussing paranormal abilities! Then I cite a Wiki image that I discovered:

 

When I say I "discovered" this image - I mean that this is secretly posted by a Chinese philosophy professor! Patrick Edwin Moran - he translates Daoist philosophy.

Juliana Mortenson (formerly Brooks): https://ecoechoinvasives.blogspot.com/2018/01/double-your-kinetic-energy-juliana.html

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The mean energy of a single oscillation or wave of light [energy/number of oscillations) is numerically equal to the value of Planck's proportionality constant "h"....The photon, as historically defined, is a time dependent packet of energy, based on the arbitrary measurement time of one second....An arbitrary one second energy increment cannot be a truly indivisible and elementary particle of nature....The variable for measurement time was relegated to an invisible existence as a hidden variable, with an implicit and fixed value of "one second." ...Planck thereafter adopted the methods of Wilhelm Wien to convert the experimental black-body data, from time dependent energy measurements to energy density measurements seemingly "independent" of time....The wave and the particle of light are not simply dual, they are identical....Planck described resonant electromagnetic waves as orderly "homogenous vibrations"..."the energy would have to be completely free to be converted into work." This was Planck's insightful Resonance Hypothesis.
Using Planck's incomplete quantum formula however, De Broglie was constrained to working with an energy variable - the product of action and frequency - rather than the fundamental energy quantum. Never-the-less, De Broglie gallantly tried to make sense of the paradox created by the fact that it was "impossible to consider an isolated quantity of energy" and yet "we have returned to statements on energy as fundamental and ceased to question why action plays a large role."

 

 

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[whitesilk]

anyway, I have developed in O(N) time complexity frequency detection algorithm, and I was merely curious of the effects if I were to release this to the world. What might happen to technology, what might happen to me... to paraphrase the Wen-tzu: the foolish see great gain, yet do not see great harm.

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[whitesilk]

7 minutes ago, voidisyinyang said:

human hearing is up to ten times faster than the time it takes to measure the frequency.

 

I like that idea, would you agree that cultivation enhances our senses?

[Marblehead]

2 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

 

I like that idea, would you agree that cultivation enhances our senses?

I would.

 

[voidisyinyang]

11 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

 

I like that idea, would you agree that cultivation enhances our senses?

absolutely - I have permanent magnetic bliss in the center of my brain - the pineal gland. Someone who read my posts on this website ended up visiting me - and as I sat in full lotus on the sofa next to him, suddenly he exclaimed, "Your eyeballs are pulsating!" I knew they were pulsating but I didn't think or know whether other people could see it happening. haha. I had never mentioned this to anyone before. So the pineal gland shoots out biophotons with the qi energy - out of the eyes. Actually it's omnidirectional.

 

. As quantum consciousness neuroscientist Stuart Hameroff says, ""Change the Music.... Indeed, microtubule

resonant vibrations have been likened to music, specifically anharmonic Indian Raga (Ghosh et al, 2014)....As the Beatles sang, “Take a sad song and make it better”."
 

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"Bandyopadhyay and his team will couple microtubule vibrations from active neurons to play Indian musical instruments. Consciousness depends on anharmonic vibrations of microtubules inside neurons, similar to certain kinds of Indian music, but unlike Western music which is harmonic [commutative logarithmic]" Hameroff explains (Science News, 2014)

So I corresponded with Bandyopadhyay and Hameroff also.

 

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[whitesilk]

Interesting, I did not know that the eyes actually emit qi. Thank you for teaching me something new!

 

Perhaps you could check out George Bekeley's 'A new theory of vision' I personally have never picked it up, yet he thought around 1750 AD or so (cannot remember) that we see by projecting our vision outward, rather than receiving light into our eyes.

[voidisyinyang]

20 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

anyway, I have developed in O(N) time complexity frequency detection algorithm, and I was merely curious of the effects if I were to release this to the world. What might happen to technology, what might happen to me... to paraphrase the Wen-tzu: the foolish see great gain, yet do not see great harm.

https://api.intechopen.com/chapter/pdf-download/29583

"Non commutativity is the central mathematical concept expressing the uncertainty." 2012 pdf link

[wandelaar]

21 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

anyway, I have developed in O(N) time complexity frequency detection algorithm, and I was merely curious of the effects if I were to release this to the world. What might happen to technology, what might happen to me... to paraphrase the Wen-tzu: the foolish see great gain, yet do not see great harm.

 

What is your algorithm supposed to do? The frequency of what is detected?

[voidisyinyang]

3 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

Interesting, I did not know that the eyes actually emit qi. Thank you for teaching me something new!

 

Perhaps you could check out George Bekeley's 'A new theory of vision' I personally have never picked it up, yet he thought around 1750 AD or so (cannot remember) that we see by projecting our vision outward, rather than receiving light into our eyes.

Yes you can read Luigi Borzacchini on Light - this goes back to the Pre-Socratics.

https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1515/semi.2001.070 pdf link

[whitesilk]

11 minutes ago, voidisyinyang said:

anharmonic vibrations of microtubules inside neurons

 

So if a neuroscientist and a musician have a child?

[whitesilk]

3 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

What is your algorithm supposed to do? The frequency of what is detected?

 

I am tempted to post videos. The frequency of any harmonic signal.

[voidisyinyang]

Just now, whitesilk said:

 

So if a neuroscientist and a musician have a child?

I posted on this last night - so I discussed this with Stuart Hameroff - about ultrasound. It's called the "Hypersonic Effect" in natural harmonics, in non-western music. For example in gamelan music of Indonesia - the Gong subharmonics has a nonlinear amplification of the ultrasound overtone harmonics - proven to increase alpha brain waves in the center of the brain.

[voidisyinyang]

Just now, whitesilk said:

 

I am tempted to post videos. The frequency of any harmonic signal.

Frequency as a concept was created by Mersenne. It's from the wrong music theory. People need to really "think" about the logic involved. It takes "un-learning" to figure it out.

 

[whitesilk]

for the way you lose daily?

[voidisyinyang]

4 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

for the way you lose daily?

So Nobel physicist Gerard 't Hooft argues we exist inside a 5th dimensional black hole - as microblack holes - this is the "ether" that we can resonate with - if we so choose. Western science has thus far brainwashed people into a materialistic reality.

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 "...superconductivity within one neuron could become phase coherent with that in an adjoining cell by virtue of quantum tunnelling, and this could be stimulated by the macroscopic analog of stimulated emission (alluded to before in connection with the mantra), that is an AC Josephson effect. ...At a more interesting level, the quantum vacuum state may be said to be empty (of excitation) and yet full in the sense of pure potentiality; it contains "virtual" (unphysical) representatives of all possible modes of matter and excitation in the form of vacuum fluctuations or "virtual particles" (zero-point excitations of each field mode, assigned one-half quanta of energy, due directly to the non-commutative property of the field operators)."

 

Former Hampshire College physicist Lawrence Domash, confirms superluminal quantum sound as noncommutative meditation! 1975, pdf

[voidisyinyang]

6 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

for the way you lose daily?

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Both the electron and the black hole [i.e. extremely dense matter with zero beats] are characterized by totally curved space and by curved time. This means that the time of electrons and of black holes is opposite to our 'material' time, which moves on a straight line from past to present to future. This, in turn, may imply that if entropy grows in the 'material' world, then in the world of electrons (and black holes) precisely the opposite force might grow, the force of negentropy.

Jean Charon, quantum physicist, was ahead of his time. 't Hooft now realizes this is true.

[wandelaar]

3 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

I am tempted to post videos. The frequency of any harmonic signal.

 

And what is so special about that? Does it take samples of the signal as input for the algorithm?

[voidisyinyang]

3 minutes ago, whitesilk said:

for the way you lose daily?

 

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“Nature itself is the fastest calculator,” he said.The notion that a “Matrix”-like machine might be running the show behind the scenes may seem a little out there, but the idea can be seen as part of a larger trend that treats information as a physical quantity, on par with mass and charge. This is not information as most people define it, but rather a kind of entropy (often called Shannon entropy) in which different quantum degrees of freedom are thought of as bits. These bits are an important element in black hole studies, where a major concern is the fate of information that falls into a black hole. Erik Verlinde from the University of Amsterdam has taken the information-black hole connection and effectively turned it around to re-define gravity. He claims that gravity is not a real force, but merely emerges from thermodynamic principles: two masses attract because their infall increases the information entropy. At the conference, Verlinde showed that this entropic force becomes stronger at galactic scales

So science assumes a left brain dominance (right hand technology) measurement of time as geometry.

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As proved by Hawking, had the Universe's entropy increased been reversed, this reversal would be impossible to observe. This is because time orientation of all biological processes (as we show elsewhere in detail) relies solely on entropy's increase.

Avshalom C. Elitzur, Shahar Dolev
Black-Hole Uncertainty Entails An Intrinsic Time Arrow, Dec. 2000

This is not true for meditation as logical inference or eternal listening.

[wandelaar]

Why does VIYY keep on dissing Western science when according to him almost all famous scientists agree with his crackpot theories?

[voidisyinyang]

Referring to me in the third person - is almost your "self-censorship" tactic but not quite.

Then making an inaccurate claim about me with no evidence - is your typical vague ad hominem tactic.

Let's get back to discussing information as content - and not fixate on me.

 

So the noncommutative phase logic refers to a "pre-space" process of pure time as algebra - the 5th dimension that is also a "zero dimension" in geometry. This enables non-local correlations for quantum teleportation signals.

We can use my quantum physics professor Herbert Bernstein's technology as an example.

But this has to have a pre-established boundary condition created.

Meditation is not limited as such.