Limahong Posted June 22, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 12:18 AM, wandelaar said: Perfect squares only exist in the imagination of the mathematician... Hi again wandelaar, You have underlined what William Blake had said when it comes to the imagination of outline... On 5/17/2018 at 12:18 AM, wandelaar said: But I don't know whether that was already known at the time. Life-long learning... On 5/17/2018 at 1:06 AM, wandelaar said: Uhh Ahh ¿ - LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) On 5/26/2018 at 11:47 PM, wandelaar said: So what is your interpretation of the sentence this topic is about? Hi again and again wandelaar, The topic is - "The perfect square has no corners". Is such a square a problematic concept? If so - no interpretation? On 5/27/2018 at 12:12 AM, wandelaar said: So you think Lao tzu was simply wrong here? Did Lao tzu penned this - "The perfect square has no corners"? On 6/2/2018 at 11:00 PM, wandelaar said: In this Dutch translation there is an explanation... Lao tzu would not be able to understand Dutch. It is a translation Lost in Translation - any comment? On 6/3/2018 at 12:39 AM, wandelaar said: Here is the note in English Lao tzu would not be able to understand English It is an English translation from Dutch. Lost in Translation - ditto. On 6/3/2018 at 12:53 AM, wandelaar said: And here's the sentence in English Lao tzu would not be able to understand English. A great weekend. - LimA Edited June 22, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wandelaar Posted June 22, 2018 @ Limahong No use to post all those comments: you are on my list of ignored users. However I did take a look just now to see what was happening. But I still see no common ground as a basis for discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, wandelaar said: No use to post all those comments: you are on my list of ignored users. However I did take a look just now to see what was happening. But I still see no common ground as a basis for discussion. Hi wandelaar, Thank you. - LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 23, 2018 The perfect square has no circles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 23, 2018 Wait! The perfect square has no curves; the perfect woman does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) On 6/24/2018 at 6:07 AM, Marblehead said: The perfect square has no circles. (1) Hi Dada-da, Says who? - LimA Edited June 25, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Marblehead said: The perfect square has no curves; the perfect woman does. Zzzzz... - LimA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted June 24, 2018 Square and corners are just words... Remember the DDJ1: The Dao that is spoken is not the Eternal Dao Squares and corners spoken are not the eternalness [of squares and corners]. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) On 6/24/2018 at 8:11 AM, dawei said: Square and corners are just words... (1) Hi dawei, No words: - LimA Edited June 25, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Limahong said: No words... Hi All, I had recently communicated with two trusted Bro's at TDB with no/little words. One - with my 1st chakra and the other - my 5th chakra. Respectfully and respectively I communicated thus: I have become a better person... To me TRUST and RESPECT are central to such communication. Also... Thanks Bro's - you know who you are. - LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Limahong said: No words... (2) Hi All, Words may hinder energy flows... + attention => + energy => + flow => + ... - LimA Edited June 24, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 24, 2018 Yep. Sometimes one would do best to sit down and shut up. (I don't remember that often enough.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Marblehead said: sit down and shut up Hi Dada-da, - LimA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 25, 2018 On 6/24/2018 at 6:07 AM, Marblehead said: The perfect square has no circles. (2) Hi Dada-da, The perfect square and circles have found peace... - LimA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 25, 2018 On 6/24/2018 at 8:11 AM, dawei said: Square and corners are just words... (2) Hi dawei, This thread begs - "The perfect square has no corners?" Yes/no - without words...? - LimA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Limahong said: Hi dawei, This thread begs - "The perfect square has no corners?" Yes/no - without words...? - LimA Some questions (words) deserve answers (words)... Zen understood we could show that words are full of meaning in one plane and empty on another. So my answer is Yes and No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, dawei said: My answer is Yes and No. Good morning dawei, Your answer without words - Zen understood we could show that words are full of meaning in one plane and empty on another. - LimA Edited June 26, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 1, 2018 A thought for anyone who cares to consider it: The perfect Taoist never lets him/herself get boxed in and pushed into a corner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wandelaar Posted July 1, 2018 Lao tzu wasn't the type of guy to endlessly waste words on saying the same thing over and over again, and he said so himself. So I consider it an unhelpful interpretation to see all the paradoxes (including the one on the square) of the Tao Te Ching as simply pointing us to nonduality. If it were all about nonduality than one chapter would have been enough. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Marblehead said: A thought for anyone who cares to consider it... Hi Dada-da, I am wondering why you - as The Wondering Taoist - is still wandering. - LimA 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/1/2018 at 9:09 AM, wandelaar said: Lao tzu wasn't the type of guy to endlessly waste words on saying the same thing over and over again, and he said so himself. So I consider it an unhelpful interpretation to see all the paradoxes (including the one on the square) of the Tao Te Ching as simply pointing us to nonduality. If it were all about nonduality than one chapter would have been enough. Except in 5,000 words and 81 chapters.. he tends to repeat himself quite a bit Ever told your S.O, wife, child the same thing 10 times and see it still does not sink in... I feel LZ had the last laugh in knowing that repeating himself doesn't convince others to change their mind nor his message. He is talking directly about duality.. he is here and now! So why he has to repeat it? Till the few realize the non-dual source of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wandelaar Posted July 6, 2018 I don't buy it. There are perfectly natural explanations for most of the paradoxes in the Tao Te Ching that don't have anything to do with nonduality, but rather with not overdoing things and acknowledging the dynamic and often cyclic nature of phenomena. Explaining all paradoxes away by nonduality kills off most of the richness of the book. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 7, 2018 6 hours ago, dawei said: He is talking directly about duality.. he is here and now! Hi dawei, I trust that you are not offended I cited you thus umpteen times to underline the eternity of the unspoken word - On 6/24/2018 at 8:11 AM, dawei said: Squares and corners spoken are not the eternalness [of squares and corners]. I think Lao Tzu had not mentioned the above two words there and then - that's why they are still with us here and now silently until... Not anymore at TDB... - LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 7, 2018 8 hours ago, dawei said: S.O, SOS - what is S.O,? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
