Creation ---> Mind, evolution

[Gerard]

"Give us a moment. . . . For what would seem to you to be eons, according to your time scale, men were in the dreaming state far more than they were in the waking one. They slept long hours, as did the animals—awakening, so to speak, to exercise their bodies, obtain sustenance, and, later, to mate. It was indeed a dreamlike w;orld, but a highly charming and vital one, in which dreaming imaginations played rambunctiously with all the probabilities entailed in this new venture: imagining the various forms of language and communication possible, spinning great dream tales of future civilizations replete with their own built-in histories—building, because they were now allied with time, mental edifices that automatically created pasts as well as futures. 

 

These ancient dreams were shared to some extent by each consciousness that was embarked upon the earthly venture, so that creatures and environment together formed great environmental realities. Valleys and mountains, and their inhabitants, together dreamed themselves into being and coexistence."

 

Source: Seth - Dreams, Evolution & Value Fulfillment

 

On the other hand:

 

"According to Aboriginal belief, all life as it is today - Human, Animal, Bird and Fish is part of one vast unchanging network of relationships which can be traced to the great spirit ancestors of the Dreamtime.

 

Dreaming world was the old time of the Ancestor Beings. They emerged from the earth at the time of the creation. Time began in the world the moment these supernatural beings were "born out of their own Eternity". 

The Earth was a flat surface, in darkness. A dead, silent world. Unknown forms of life were asleep, below the surface of the land. Then the supernatural Ancestor Beings broke through the crust of the earth form below , with tumultuous force. 

The sun rose out of the ground. The land received light for the first time. The supernatural Beings, or Totemic Ancestors, resembled creatures or plants, and were half human. They moved across the barren surface of the world. They travelled hunted and fought, and changed the form of the land. In their journeys, they created the landscape, the mountains, the rivers, the trees, waterholes, plains and sandhills. They made the people themselves, who are descendants of the Dreamtime ancestors. They made the Ant, Grasshopper, Emu, Eagle, Crow, Parrot, Wallaby, Kangaroo, Lizard, Snake, and all food plants. They made the natural elements : Water, Air, Fire. They made all the celestial bodies : the Sun, the Moon and the Stars. Then, wearied from all their activity, the mythical creatures sank back into the earth and returned to their state of sleep.

Sometimes their spirits turned into rocks or trees or a part of the landscape. These became sacred places, to be seen only by initiated men. These sites had special qualities."

 

http://www.aboriginalart.com.au/culture/dreamtime2.html

 

Spot on. This wonderful creation tale is right up my alley. No Abrahamic or Hindu gods of any kind in sight which only cause FEAR in humans. 

 

Both Seth and ancient traditions like the Australian Aboriginal share identical views.

 

We are also very familiar about those supercharged sites where energy and meditative work is greatly enhanced.

 

 

 

Note: you can read the Seth book here.

 

 

 

 

[silent thunder]

Thanks for sharing.  This resonates.

 

All my life, I've been walking in and out of various dreamscapes... some of them while sleeping, most of them in what we call 'waking life'.  And through all of it, this unshakable sensation, this anticipatory knowingness that one moment, I will awaken within this waking dream, the same way that I become lucid in the dream state, each night.

 

The Tibetans talk in some detail about this concept.

 

what is it to waken from a dream into another dream?

what proof exists, beyond any doubt I wonder, that reality is not but a shared dream?

I can't shake the sense of it.  The sense of it is the flavor of the very air I breathe.

 

i wander dreams within dreams

and wake within dreams

what is this..  to waken in sleep

akin to the dream I've lived so long in waking

 

 

within this wandering of dreams I weave a wakening walking way

 

 

the mirrors are full of masks

am i the reflection, or the butterfly?

 

can one dream themselves awake I wonder?

 

 

 

 

 

[Gerard]

Hey, everything comes from within us. Breaking a away from society's mould is hard work but when it happens you are no longer afraid of this physical reality ---> time to move on!

 

Religious and scientific belief systems currently dominate our worldviews in the West. They contain officially accepted views about ourselves, our universe, and how we can all get along. They also provide a subset of beliefs called “creation myths” that explain the origins of our universe, planet, and all life, including the morals and laws that “govern” each. Religion and science’s unique creation myths have competed for prominence over the past three hundred years.

 

And we all have been sucked into this game!! And it goes on and on and on, schools, books, conversations, etc. Yuck.

 

Link

 

 

Thanks the ancient Chinese for Bagua and how circle walking liberates you from this illusion of reality.

 

I do hope everyone's method also works well. 

 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by Gerard

[silent thunder]

I echo your senitiments and add my intention that all will awaken in whichever manner is natural.

 

The barrage of 'shoulds' 'should nots' 'musts' 'must nots' 'truths' 'falsehoods' that stream from the sources you mentioned seems endless at times and can readily fill a mind for life, if uncountered by presence awareness, or waking up.  I recall a quote that resonated rather recently and seems appropriate.  "you must program your mind yourself, in every facet, down to the smallest detail... or the environment (your family, society, religion and politics) will do it for you."  Our minds can't avoid being filled in early life... ages 0-7ish. 

 

My own waking process started rather early (around 10) and has been a long slow unfolding for nearly four decades.  It's foundation lie firmly on the belief system of my household religion.  Once this seemingly unbreachable wall of dogma had been breached, my eyes were primed and I began from then on, to look at each institutional dogmatic structure, be it secular or spiritual, with a wary, penetrating gaze.

 

I think once that first gap in the house of cards designed by my birth religion was breached and an inkling of what lay beyond the world they painted for me had been perceived... the process of waking became its own animal so to speak and manifested an inertia of its own in my case.  For I could not stop searching out the cracks in the dogma that lay in systems all around me.

 

what a gift!  Painful at times to be certain... to have long held notions revealed as utterly false and at times ill intendedly so... but what a gift to garner that glimpse through the illusion... for once one has breathed real, fresh air in the mind and soul, nothing in the world of dogma can ever again, quench thirst or slake hunger.

 

This type of gap in the card house experience is the point where seekers become seekers and then strive to inquire past the maze of tulpa like concepts that otherwise corral our mental processes for the entirety of our lives.

 

This process may be benefited, or hindered by the mindset and disposition of the waking sleeper... but any longer and for some years now, my own process has long since garnered inertia beyond my personal control (through desire, former practices and grace) and has begun to carry me along with it as it follows its natural path.

 

Any longer, for me there is no straining or seeking, only a concerted non-striving intention to remain open to the flows of the natural order and to cultivate presence, awareness and emptiness.

 

As insidious as the processes of dogma are... they are not infallible and once breached, they quickly lose their teeth.

 

Keep the Path and bouyant, freedom will be realized and discovered where it always lay... within our very essential nature.  Never lost, never separated from us, only hidden under the barrage of notions and false concepts of the structures of mankind we had no inkling were untrue when first encountered as children.

[Gerard]

Definitively! Since childhood we have been thrown into a world of beliefs and dogma. Do this, do that, this is right that is wrong, he knows better, he is a MASTER. Master of what??

 

WE ARE ALL MASTERS.

 

Awaken for yourself and by yourself not by others' experiences. 

 

Enjoy life and Gaia's consciousness created by all of us: trees, flowers mountains, insects, rivers, oceans, animals, humans and many other living beings, sun, moon and other celestial bodies. 

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Gerard

[silent thunder]

19 minutes ago, Gerard said:

Definitively! Since childhood we have been thrown into a world of beliefs and dogma. Do this, do that, this is right that is wrong, he knows better, he is a MASTER. Master of what??

 

WE ARE ALL MASTERS.

 

Awaken for yourself and by yourself not by others' experiences. 

 

Enjoy life and Gaia's consciousness created by all of us: trees, flowers mountains, insects, rivers, oceans, animals, humans and many other living beings, sun, moon and other celestial bodies. 

 

[Gerard]

...and the Mind, the Spirit. Whoa! Try to understand or figure out what it really is. It's like the Tao itself.

 

The Tao that can be spoken of is not the ETERNAL Tao...

 

The Mind that can be spoken of is not the ETERNAL Mind...

 

So what are we really?

 

Tiny mirrors of the Tao? 

 

Better going with the flow following the seasons and the movement of the astral bodies (yin-yang and their changes) carefree and worry free.

 

This is just a physical experience after all.

 

Go with the eternal flow...because it's endless. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Gerard