Yinja Posted July 4, 2018 Is there suffering which are unnecessary? I strognly believe there is and my life experience definitely suggests so, but when i think about it i cant seem to find suffering that dosnt contain within them thier duality of feeling good. Lets take a more obvious example: worrying, and even better worrying about being worry. This clearly generates some unnecessary suffering but dosnt this greater pain hides within itself joy like any other pain/suffering? and in this case greater joy because of greater suffering. My question than is: How can you possibly increase the amount of "positive" feelings in your life without increasing suffering aswell? or in other words whats the point in not worrying so much? Clearly im missing something and i dont think there is no difference if you worry or not (Dont get hung up on the worrying its just an example for suffering in general) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miroku Posted July 4, 2018 Is there a necessary suffering? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miroku Posted July 4, 2018 And to the question yes there is a way. Compassion and good deeds and living without getting into aversion/clinging. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, Yinja said: Clearly im missing something and i dont think there is no difference if you worry or not (Dont get hung up on the worrying its just an example for suffering in general) Hi Yinja, I don't think you are missing something. You have depth in the posting of your thread. To me everything (positive or negative) happens for a reason. The reason is neither good or bad - so a happenstance is neither thus. Suffering (worrying...) is not positive/negative, good/bad... because: - LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Miroku said: Is there a necessary suffering? 10 minutes ago, Miroku said: And to the question yes there is a way. Hi Miroku, The Four Noble Truths? - LimA Edited July 4, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miroku Posted July 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, Limahong said: Hi Miroku, The Four Noble Truths? Yes, what about them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) on second thought... na. Edited July 5, 2018 by silent thunder 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, silent thunder said: The impact of it, is so great, it's foundational shifting. Hi Creighton, I know where you are coming. With the passing of my mother, I went into depression. However I came out of it - a better person, - Anand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Miroku said: Yes, what about them? (1) Hi Miroku, - LimA Edited July 4, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mig Posted July 4, 2018 It sounds berry subjective. The way I see it, is that we create our own sufferings and we are constantly destroying ourselves with foods and drinks not to mention with our minds. Also, our selfish motivation in doing what we do. The suffering is us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Miroku said: Yes, what about them? (2) Hi Miroku, The Noble Eightfold Path - - LimA Edited July 4, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Mig said: The suffering is us. Hi Mig, The learning is us too. - LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, silent thunder said: The one is reconciled as a clear, still point... the pivot of joyful clarity, about which all motion and notions of other, revolve and reconcile in the shining clear awareness of simple, connected being. Hi Creighton, I recognize the above in you through your postings. Proud to call you friend. - Anand Edited July 4, 2018 by Limahong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 49 minutes ago, Miroku said: Yes... Hi Miroku, What about the Noble Eightfold Path? - LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Yinja said: How can you possibly increase the amount of "positive" feelings in your life without increasing suffering aswell? Hi Yinja, So how? -LimA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miroku Posted July 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Limahong said: Hi Miroku, What about the Noble Eightfold Path? - LimA Heh, confusing. But why not. Here is my case. I am not sure whether suffering can be necessary or unnecessary. What makes it necessary is out attitude. It is our own perception of it what makes it necessary. If we have learned something from suffering then it was a good suffering. But in general don't know really. That is why the question. Noble eightfold path is in its essence a bodhicitta and doing good. That was my advice. Good life is possible. Exaustion of suffering is possible. So this is my stance. So what about 4 noble truths and 8fold path? Follow it and you can't go wrong. Did I go wrong with them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Miroku said: Did I go wrong with them? Hi Miroku, We learn together in Life - lifelong. - LimA Edited July 4, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Miroku said: So what about 4 noble truths and 8fold path? Follow it and you can't go wrong. Hi Miroku, We still can't go wrong sometimes - ... but we mindfully right the wrong ... and we peacefully move on & on - LimA Edited July 4, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Miroku said: Is there a necessary suffering? That one seems easy to me. Yes. In learning and growing some unpleasantness is involved. In stretching ones limits, growing stronger.. putting yourself out there, making new friends, going new places.. can be necessary suffering. Fulfilling ones responsibilities can be suffering. Course resisting such things probably makes them feel worse. I'd also say yes to unnecessary suffering. Seems to be too much of it the world. No lessons learned, no betterment, bettered. Just alot of pain, often caused by ignorance, greed and plain bad luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, thelerner said: I'd also say yes to unnecessary suffering. Seems to be too much of it the world. Hi thelerner, Do we get (un)necessary suffering from/with FAKEs? Big picture - the world. Small picture - TDB. Fake teaching and fake learning can/have rub shoulders? - LimA Edited July 5, 2018 by Limahong Enhance ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mig Posted July 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Limahong said: Hi Mig, The learning is us too. - LimA Chapter 40 反者道之動，The returning is the movement of the Tao 弱者道之用。The weak is the utilization of the Tao 天下萬物生於有，The myriad things of the world are born of being 有生於無。Being is born of non-being Derek Lin translation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted July 4, 2018 I see unnecessary suffering all the time . I have even pointed out alternative paths of action that reaps the original intentions and eliminates the suffering - that is, a different approach to something that goes around the obvious disaster coming, if someone is following a certain path of action . But for some ... nope , they want the unnecessary suffering ... I guess they think it is 'necessary suffering' ? But they sure bitch about it when the inevitable suffering manifests from their approach . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted July 5, 2018 Yeah, the people I hear complaining about how much they suffer are mostly those who would rather suffer so they can tell others all about their problems and they really don't want to do anything to reduce the suffering because then the wouldn't have anything to bitch about. Sure, there are many who live in conditions that offer them nothing but suffering. That's been going on for a very long time and I don't see an end of it any time soon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted July 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Marblehead said: Sure, there are many who live in conditions that offer them nothing but suffering. That's been going on for a very long time and I don't see an end of it any time soon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted July 5, 2018 23 hours ago, Marblehead said: Yeah, the people I hear complaining about how much they suffer are mostly those who would rather suffer so they can tell others all about their problems and they really don't want to do anything to reduce the suffering because then the wouldn't have anything to bitch about. Sure, there are many who live in conditions that offer them nothing but suffering. That's been going on for a very long time and I don't see an end of it any time soon. I was driving to work one morning, turned on the radio to catch the news and see what the world was up to . The woman announcer was whining on and complaining and being all emotive to her radio partner that the 'dwell control' on her car window wipers didnt have enough settings to accurately adjust to the amount of rain hitting her wind shield .... to clear it to her satisfaction ..... and when she turned it up a notch, it was 'over wiping' ..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
