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[senseless virtue]

1 hour ago, dawei said:

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This thread has been moved to a PPD so that zen-bear can manage the content as he sees fit.

 

Great idea. Could you also please make a system adjustment that the thread remains visible to unregistered guests? Otherwise a lot of information becomes suddenly inaccessible for many people.

 

An alternative solution suggestion: Give half-mod rights to any interested and established teacher with good reputation, and also give them a shared sub forum where they can manage threads on their own teachings. Call the sub forum "Sifus Corner" or something similarly suitable.

 

@zen-bear, what do you think?

[Wells]

12 minutes ago, virtue said:

An alternative solution suggestion: Give half-mod rights to any interested and established teacher with good reputation, and also give them a shared sub forum where they can manage threads on their own teachings. Call the sub forum "Sifus Corner" or something similarly suitable.

 

There are people on thedaobums who thought and possibly still think that "Ausar" would fit such a profile.

In other words: Possibly better decide on a case to case basis where it makes sense and where it does not, instead of creating such a type of sub-forum. I can already hear the outcry of people who would feel wronged by either not getting access to that hypothetical forum or whose posts being deleted in threads of that forum.

At the present moment, everybody already has the equal possibility of getting a personal practice forum where he/she has a better control over his/her threads.

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by Wells

[senseless virtue]

I see your point, but completely disagree that Ausar is either established or having a good reputation after claiming false lineage.

 

You are right though that we could use tighter criteria. My next proposition:

 

Sifu Terry has been active on TDB for years. I would suppose that something along three years would be a good time to examine whether a teacher is interested in staying around with extended editing privileges, has an established community to serve, and doesn't generate controversy over personal conduct and business practices.

[dawei]

17 minutes ago, virtue said:

 

Great idea. Could you also please make a system adjustment that the thread remains visible to unregistered guests? Otherwise a lot of information becomes suddenly inaccessible for many people.

 

An alternative solution suggestion: Give half-mod rights to any interested and established teacher with good reputation, and also give them a shared sub forum where they can manage threads on their own teachings. Call the sub forum "Sifus Corner" or something similarly suitable.

 

@zen-bear, what do you think?

 

Yes, that is the downside to the PPD area, guests won't see the updates... I wonder if you set notifications to it, will you at least get them?

 

For now, the disruption in that long standing thread seemed best to let someone control it.  Zen-bear has agreed to do so in a PPD for now.  

 

Your alternate solution is an interesting one, like a public PPD.   I'd be open to hear what others thought of this general idea but the PPD does it expect for visibility issues.

[dawei]

BTW: There is a feature called "Clubs" which may basically do what you suggest.  We thought to open one to test its usefulness.  The only draw back I see is if we decide it is not worth keeping around, anything in the clubs would be lost (deleted). 

 

 

[Kar3n]

 It is not and has never been the practice of  staff to define a hierarchy amongst members. It goes against the founding principles of the forums.

 

Ppd's are such sub forums and are not limited to just sifus. They private diaries or discussions exclusive to members. I am sorry, but I do not ever see ppd's becoming public.

[dawei]

16 minutes ago, Kar3n said:

 It is not and has never been the practice of  staff to define a hierarchy amongst members. It goes against the founding principles of the forums.

 

Ppd's are such sub forums and are not limited to just sifus. They private diaries or discussions exclusive to members. I am sorry, but I do not ever see ppd's becoming public.

 

It is not that PPDs become public but the idea is a kind of pseudo PPD that happens to be public; public with a leader with elevated permissions.   I think "clubs" does this in a way but even this creates a 'leader' of the club , ergo a hierarchy in a sense.

 

I think the current PPDs serve a great, private purpose and hope folks continue to use them as they see fit. 

[DSCB57]

As a fairly long standing contributor to the thread in question, and with many posts and threads to my credit, I would like to say that on moral grounds I would find it difficult to participate in the FPCK thread on any level under these conditions.

 

As I am sure you are fully aware, this thread was started by another member, but taken over by Terry Dunn. I really take exception to anyone who did not even start the thread in the first place being given or requesting extensive rights over that thread.

I strongly disagree with anyone having the power to edit someone else's contributions to the thread or remove any material whatsoever from that thread. This should be under the sole discretion of the moderators - and not one single moderator such as you Dawei, as there is clearly a conflict of interests here. There is evidence of objective bias in the fact that you allowed this degree of manipulation of the thread by Terry Dunn to take place. 

Although this arose as a result of the recent events surrounding Ausar, it has nothing to do with him, it is a matter of principle. This is a question of an invasion of the rights of a member of TTB and any past, present or future contributor to this thread. Every member should have the right to read the opinions, statements and material presented to the thread by all current and previous contributors in their original state and in their original context. The obvious exception would be where such material was deemed offensive, pornographic or in direct and deliberate conflict with the rules of the forum. But even then I reiterate - this is for the moderators to decide, not any of the participators on the thread in question. 

Let's do the democratic thing. Put it to the vote! Let's see whether an overwhelming majority of members on this thread agree that Terry Dunn should be given these privileges and authority to effectively completely take over this thread and only accept contributions which meet with his personal approval. If the vote goes in his favour, I'm out of here, because this is simply undemocratic and subversive. If that is the true nature of TTB, then I think it is time for me to move on.

Thank you.

[Kar3n]

2 minutes ago, DSCB57 said:

As a fairly long standing contributor to the thread in question, and with many posts and threads to my credit, I would like to say that on moral grounds I would find it difficult to participate in the FPCK thread on any level under these conditions.

 

As I am sure you are fully aware, this thread was started by another member, but taken over by Terry Dunn. I really take exception to anyone who did not even start the thread in the first place being given or requesting extensive rights over that thread.

I strongly disagree with anyone having the power to edit someone else's contributions to the thread or remove any material whatsoever from that thread. This should be under the sole discretion of the moderators - and not one single moderator such as you Dawei, as there is clearly a conflict of interests here. There is evidence of objective bias in the fact that you allowed this degree of manipulation of the thread by Terry Dunn to take place. 

Although this arose as a result of the recent events surrounding Ausar, it has nothing to do with him, it is a matter of principle. This is a question of an invasion of the rights of a member of TTB and any past, present or future contributor to this thread. Every member should have the right to read the opinions, statements and material presented to the thread by all current and previous contributors in their original state and in their original context. The obvious exception would be where such material was deemed offensive, pornographic or in direct and deliberate conflict with the rules of the forum. But even then I reiterate - this is for the moderators to decide, not any of the participators on the thread in question. 

Let's do the democratic thing. Put it to the vote! Let's see whether an overwhelming majority of members on this thread agree that Terry Dunn should be given these privileges and authority to effectively completely take over this thread and only accept contributions which meet with his personal approval. If the vote goes in his favour, I'm out of here, because this is simply undemocratic and subversive. If that is the true nature of TTB, then I think it is time for me to move on.

Thank you.

The Daobums is not a democracy. Dawei, our admin, has the final say.

On 9/23/2013 at 7:31 PM, Trunk said:

TheDàoBums has a strong egalitarian ethic in that it's whole purpose is to provide a civil very open context for member conversations.  However, its governance structure is mostly top down; it's not a democracy.
- admins - own / run the board
- moderators - enforce rules
- members - converse 

[Earl Grey]

Unfortunately, this is not a democracy or a public place with the respective rights and privileges, this is a privately-owned and managed forum. You do not get the same rights and privileges in a public park as you would a guest of a private individual in their home. Those who would call someone's rules tyrannical and totalitarian are often like this lovely young American gentleman here:

 

 

 

You are, however, allowed to voice your viewpoint and concern as a guest in this fine forum. 

 

Cheers.

 

EDIT: I am amused at how the moment I pressed the submit form that I posted exactly the moment Kar3n made her post with roughly the same remark on our non-democratic forum here. 

Edited July 14, 2018 by Earl Grey

[DSCB57]

2 hours ago, Kar3n said:

The Daobums is not a democracy. Dawei, our admin, has the final say.

Well, thank you. That is most illuminating. Now I am beginning to understand why such a bias has been shown in favour of @zenbear by our esteemed forum master and owner Dawei. 

You almost sound proud to announce that this is not a democratic forum....I feel as though I just stepped into a parallel universe in the Twilight Zone, where people desire to be controlled by Big Brother. You people are unreal. And it is within this facist infrastructure that the sublime truths of Buddhism and Daoism, Hinduism and whichever other philosophy or tradition may be found in this spiritual marketplace are to be revealed to the seeker who comes to these forums? You people are deluding yourselves. Now I see why there are so many members who get off on their armchair warrior trips, fighting among themselves, insulting one another and the arts of other traditions, setting themselves up as would-be enlightened masters.....it all makes sense now. 

Thank you for letting me see the light.

[dawei]

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DSCB57 is under review for making disparaging, insulting and belittling comments to members and staff in multiple topics.

 

It would be best not to hijack this thread in an off-topic way and not add to the list of items under review in a report that was submitted.

 

Thanks and let's move on with letting staff do their part here and folks posting to the topic.