Masters in Shambala?

[Lightseeker]

Shangri la or Shambala in Buddhism, is referred to as a mystic land somewhere in the Himalayas. Legend has it that the most advanced spiritual masters recide here to practice their advanced systems. I have always wondered whether this was discussed in the Nei Kung and Taoist  circles. It is rumored that to go to this land one must be able to astral project and be at a high spiritual level..

Edited July 21, 2018 by Lightseeker

[Starjumper]

No, Shambala is the local name for an area of the Tien Shan mountains where my chi kung comes from, it means 'mountain spring' or 'beautiful source', it is also now has a ski resort there. ...  and More Pie masters are NOT so special, nor are they from there nor do they go there.  And it isn't Buddhist, the name predates Buddhism.

 

 You should change the title of this thread to remove Mo Pai or it may well cause a shit storm.  

Edited July 21, 2018 by Starjumper

[Lightseeker]

26 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

No, Shambala is the local name for an area of the Tien Shan mountains where my chi kung comes from, it means 'wonderful spring' or 'beautiful source', it is also now has a ski resort there. ...  and More Pie masters are NOT so special, nor are they from there nor do they go there.  And it isn't Buddhist, the name predates Buddhism.

 

 You should change the title of this thread to remove Mo Pai or it may well cause a shit storm.  

 

What is your chi Kung lineage?

[Starjumper]

Tien Shan, of course, since it comes from the Tien Shan mountains.

[Starjumper]

Hey, thanks for changing the title.  I'll have a little fun with this:

 

1 hour ago, Lightseeker said:

Legend has it that the most advanced spiritual masters recide here to practice their advanced systems.

 

The legend is true, I renamed the land that I bought here, so there is a piece of Tien Shan here South of the Equator, and only the most advanced spiritual practitioners come here to practice.

 

1 hour ago, Lightseeker said:

I have always wondered whether this was discussed in the Nei Kung and Taoist  circles. It is rumored that to go to this land one must be able to astral project and be at a high spiritual level.

 

It hasn't been discussed since it's generally unknown, but there's no need to astral project to get here, people come by jet aircraft and bus.  The dragons that have gathered here do astral project though, because they are already astral  =)

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This is something about it which I found, it appears to have a bit of exaggeration, and I added a bit at the end.

 

I found an article written by a master Pak Dong Sun, which was very poorly translated into English and so I have edited it quite a lot to make it clear in addition to removing parts that did not apply to the subject at hand:

 

Around 5000 years ago, Tien Shan monks, having reached the highest level of skill, were looking for like minded people and went South extending their knowledge.  This knowledge is popularly known these days as the Tibetan teachings of Bon, yet it has it's roots in Taoist chi kung from Tien Shan.  Bon is known as the most powerful school of magic and wonder in the world.  In it's original version Tien Shan was extreme, with the practitioners undertaking certain risks for the sake of attaining super powers.  When the Tien Shan monks reached Tibet they encountered the School of Bon, the strength of which was in it's methodology but the practice was rather weak.  From the unification of these two was born the strongest spiritual system of development of super human Characteristics.

 

In the history of mankind the heritage of practices of Tien Shan has left a trace in the constellation of the brightest names of Enlightened Masters: Tilopa, Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa and Gambopy.  In The present, to answer the question of the origins of their spiritual mastery, lamas; Buddhist, Tibetan, Nepalese, and Chinese chi kung masters claim that their “knowledge” originated in the place which is called “Jung-Jung”, “sheng-sheng”, “Tang-sheng” but those names are from different Himalayan dialects which mean the same in Chinese – Tien-Shan!  Even the mythical country of Shambhala is a particular place of the same name in the Tien Shan mountains, if translated from the local dialect means “mountain spring”or “wonderful source”.  In our time a place of beauty, and an amazing ski resort.

 

Master Pak Dong Sun goes on to say that there are very few practicing Tien Shan teachers in the world and that for Asian teachers the tradition to not teach foreigners the true practices have not changed.  He says that he is not like this but in fact he does not teach the Tien Shan Chi Kung system, instead he says he teaches a system which he invented which is derived from some parts of Tien Shan mixed with other systems, however the videos of his which he shows contain nothing of Tien Shan techniques and instead are only wimpy chi kung.  This point brings us to why you may be in luck.  I, being a westerner, am not like most Asian teachers in that I truly want to give as much as possible of the pure Tien Shan techniques to serious students, and I was lucky to learn these from a most rare Chinese master who sincerely wanted the same for his very few students.

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Lightseeker said:

Shangri la or Shambala in Buddhism, is referred to as a mystic land somewhere in the Himalayas. Legend has it that the most advanced spiritual masters recide here to practice their advanced systems. I have always wondered whether this was discussed in the Nei Kung and Taoist  circles. It is rumored that to go to this land one must be able to astral project and be at a high spiritual level..

 

What is it with you and 'astral projection  ' ?

 

No, you do not need to 'astral project' to go there.  You can go there now , if you game enough .  Of course, the little civilisation (pre - historical ) you are talking about is long gone .

 

It is not actually in the Himalayas,  but the Pamir Mountains, a westward extension of Himalayas .    It was not that they 'spiritual masters' , I am sure they did have some like that, but it became renown due to its advanced level of development (for the time ) and a new type of social regulation that seemed liberal and egalitarian  ,  for the time .

 

There is a Tibetan tradition that wisdom came from the west and further west it states the wisdom came from the east.   This centres us on a little known development of civilisation, outside of what is generally accepted

 

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan

 

Prior to this  ( and associated with these finds )  we have the BMAC  area,  this developed from the  early neolithic indigenous, intrusions from Iranian Plateau,  Steppe people from the north (pastoral nomads interfacing with agriculture ) , they all influenced each other and a new 'archaeological complex'  ( the evidence , a 'culture' is the inference )  / culture emerged.

 

 

Note its most easterly extensions .

 

The Pamir mountains are noteworthy in the type of terrain and settlements still found there today. Also their languages are very interesting .

 

Next, we go back to (in this culture) the earliest mentions of an advanced centre and culture , in  the Avestan book of the Vendidad where it describes Airyana Vaeja as the 'first nation' and the most beautiful and fair with wise governance .  However there has always been dispute as to where this is .   But good evidence indicates Pamirs .

 

Verses 10 13-14 of the Meher Yasht state that the  land had many mountains, valleys, and pastures (pouru vastraongho) that supported cattle (gave). It was rich in waters (afento), deep lakes (jafra varayo) and wide rivers. The land, while mountainous had alpine meadows and fertile, well-watered vales.

There is descriptions of rivers, but as with the Vedas, these are often in contention, and over time rivers can dry or change course.  But the Vedas also speak of such a place  (and there were links with these people and India , the Indus region being known and catalogued as ' Sapta Hind '  or other spelling variations  )  ; Mt Meru the centre of the world .

The Wikipedia article on Jambudvipa, the environs in which Mount Meru stands, identifies Jambudvipa with the Pamir region. In the Vedas, each of the four sides of Meru are made of four different precious substances: the south of lapis-lazuli, the west of ruby, the north of gold and the east of silver (or crystal). The Pamir-Badakhshan region was noted for precisely these precious substances and home to the only known lapis mines in antiquity. Further, the lapis mines  were in the south of the Pamir region.

Texts describe Airyana Vaeja as being mountainous with fertile meadows and valleys. In addition, the opening words of the Avestan Vendidad's chapter listing the sixteen nations, states that if God had not made other countries beautiful in some manner, all the world would have swarmed into Airyana Vaeja on account of its great beauty and - as mentioned elsewhere in the Avesta - because of its wise king and good government, law and order, noble people and serenity. Airyana Vaeja was a paradise on earth - a land of peace and serenity, the best place to live and raise a family.

Tibetan Buddhism's book of Kala-Chakra, the Time-Cycle, and Tibetan Buddhism's predecessor religion, Bon, built on and popularized this concept of a lost and hidden paradise on earth, now known to the world as Shangri-La. 'mandala' / map

 

Here is a stylised 'mandala' / map of the central region, they outlaying mountain ranges and associated  and related socio-cultural regions

 

Buddhist thangka showing Shambhala with Mount Meru & a temple in the centre
The two circular mountain ranges remind us of the description of the Hara and Zeredaza Mountains
in the Avesta's Zamyad Yasht "lying all around" - the Zeredaza being the outer range.

 

Here is a map of the central area 

 

Note the central region, it is virtually surrounded by a circular river  ( explorations of this show it isnt actually encircled, as in the myth,  YET  locals say in the oast a huge landslide cut off and changed the course of the river . )

It looks uninhabitable , until you get down there in the valleys, and they are just as described in the old ancient writings

 

 

 

There are a LOT more comparisons and information than I can list here.  But looking at it all, there does not seem to be a better candidate for its location.

Still very little is known about this period of history in these locations ,  The only recent explorations, and a searching for this location is found in the rather excellent series 'Lost Worlds of Alexander '  ( history states how Alexander went through Central Asia and  found the  kingdoms which evolved from this, an examination of the record shows a complex and advanced civilisation already there ... although the propaganda  states Alexander 'founded' about 20 cities in a couple of years ....  ... he obviously found them there already established and simply took them over , and 'made them his' .

 

As to what happened to it ?   The heavenly nature of Airyana Vaeja during the Jamshidi era reached mythic proportions in Yasht 19.33, the Zamyad Yasht. Then, the weather was neither cold nor hot, there was no untruth and envy, people were undying, water and plants never drying. Then, an 'evil winter' came , that seems to indicate a type of 'mini ice age ' . 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Studying the weather change in Airyana Vaeja,  is intersting as , in concert with t pollen and tree ring analysis indicates the Chang Tang plateau in Northern Tibet had a far more liveable environment than it has today - one that supported a primordial civilization - until the climate become colder and drier starting around 1500 BCE, a climate change that caused the population to migrate out of the northern plateau. This  ancient Aryan and Zoroastrian link to western Tibet is further exemplified by the common tradition of exposing the dead to birds.

- sources   Wiki , Zoroastrian Heritage Institute, Books of Avesta, Encyclopaedia Iranica . Iranian-Aryan Connections with Western Tibet.

Also, other dynamics were happening ; 'barbarians from the north' invaded , apparently there was some internal corruption but the record simply vanishes .  It isnt until much later with the first written records and our first history of Assyria that we might get a hint. The old books talk about an region of inter-relation that extended from the Indus to Anatolia . Then the whole thing 'disappears'. Much later these Assyrian first written records speak of 'Parsa' emerging down from Anatolia through the Zargos mountains and joining with Medes and other Iranian tribes, eventually overthrowing the Assyrians (who had been raiding and subjugating them )  and starting the first 'Persian' Empire.

It is fairly possible that they, like many people of the time, were victims to ;

https://www.humanjourney.us/ideas-that-shaped-our-modern-world-section/the-bronze-age-collapse/

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want to you can still go there 'on the astral'  as the 'astral plane' is generated by the imagination.   I imagine it then would be full of wonderful and phantasmogographicalz  stuff   ... that caters wonderfully to one's 'divine prejudices' 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Starjumper said:

No, Shambala is the local name for an area of the Tien Shan mountains where my chi kung comes from, it means 'mountain spring' or 'beautiful source', it is also now has a ski resort there. ...  and More Pie masters are NOT so special, nor are they from there nor do they go there.  And it isn't Buddhist, the name predates Buddhism.

 

 You should change the title of this thread to remove Mo Pai or it may well cause a shit storm.  

 

Oh no ... lets talk about Mo pie astral travel   

 

 

 

man, in the astral, my mo pai works great !  I been knocking things off the window shelf left right and centre ! 

[SirYuri]

6 hours ago, Lightseeker said:

Shangri la or Shambala in Buddhism, is referred to as a mystic land somewhere in the Himalayas. Legend has it that the most advanced spiritual masters recide here to practice their advanced systems. I have always wondered whether this was discussed in the Nei Kung and Taoist  circles. It is rumored that to go to this land one must be able to astral project and be at a high spiritual level..

 

 

What you are seeking and what you are running away from is all inside of you.

 

Meaning, your soul wants to teach you some higher lessons thats why you are interested in finding or seeing it..

 

but it seems you would rather believe what you see outside that listen carefully what your master within is telling you.

 

Although both directions either within or without leads the the same destination but if you want it fast you have to sit still and set aside your mind and its preconceive notions of what should or should not be then and only then will your outerself will understand.

 

Yet all in all whats happening right now is good for your soul development.