Stosh Posted August 7, 2018 Faced with the reality that we have no fixed self, it is shown we can change each moment , and so there can be no transformations. The idea that there are, is an illusion born from the transient contact we have with others and the simplified symbolic characters we use to see one another. And the constancy required to show change is supplied by material quicksand of a dependent origination. so each moment is remade on the ashes of the moment before ,and to the degree we pull up the anchors , the past is gone, gone as gone can be, and yet written in stone ,indelible. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 7, 2018 How does it go? Change is the only constant. And more often than not, I think, the changes are inspired by externals more often than internals. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemon Posted August 7, 2018 And most people find it impossible to go with the flow and end up being dragged out to sea, whereas, it's always possible to swim across the rip current (unless, of course, you're unable to swim). What's sad about this is that in this instance I could have thrown him a life jacket that might have allowed him to swim across this particular rip but instead, he chose to ignore the possibility of a creative solution that would possibly have kept both sides of this dispute entirely happy. For myself, I removed all his memes months ago by using the Ignore function. That had the benefit that those who apparently enjoy them (including @memeahong/spamahong) can continue to enjoy them and I can always unhide posts if I'm curious. Incidentally, the life jacket that he chose to reject was the suggestion that he wrapped all his memes within a single Spoiler function, which might have kept whoever succeeded in getting him to ban himself entirely happy as well. Although, I cannot understand why the complainants didn't just swim across the rip themselves by use of the Ignore function. What could be easier? ☮️ 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 7, 2018 I won't speak to this. I will not take sides. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemon Posted August 7, 2018 You're simply taking your own side, as usual. ☮️ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted August 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Stosh said: Faced with the reality that we have no fixed self, it is shown we can change each moment , and so there can be no transformations. The idea that there are, is an illusion born from the transient contact we have with others and the simplified symbolic characters we use to see one another. And the constancy required to show change is supplied by material quicksand of a dependent origination. so each moment is remade on the ashes of the moment before ,and to the degree we pull up the anchors , the past is gone, gone as gone can be, and yet written in stone ,indelible. I think ZZ called it: A springtime in every moment. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted August 7, 2018 bit of a paradox no? the absolute constancy... of change. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) *shrug* as you see it. to me, I can veritably taste the paradox... and it's blissful. an inroad to the mysterious gateway. utterly constant, the never ceasing shift of change. life imbued with bouyant groundedness simultaneously grounded in the seeming solidity of the manifest while saturated in the quantum soaring influence of never ceasing shift pure magic! Edited August 7, 2018 by silent thunder add the word soaring 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted August 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, silent thunder said: *shrug* as you see it. to me, I can veritably taste the paradox... and it's blissful. an inroad to the mysterious gateway. utterly constant, the never ceasing shift of change. life imbued with buoyant groundedness simultaneously grounded in the seeming solidity of the manifest while saturated in the quantum soaring influence of never ceasing shift pure magic! That ^ well describes the same way dao is in all things. Unboundaried. Both, same time. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) rene... your voice... or the voice I've assigned to you in my mindscape rings that phrase in my life on a regular basis lately. There is never yin without yang. They are imbued within each other and generate each other spontaneously in a never ending dance of supportive harmony. They are two seemingly separate aspects only due to my perceptive tools. When a wave crests in yang movement, yet moves due to receptive yin, flowing as it's pulled by the yang of the moon's or the wind's influence... The wave rises in yang until the yang pull of the wind and moon can no longer support its own weight, then the ever present yin shifts and the wave settles in balance. every wave is comprised of yin and yang simultaneously... there is never a set of waves that are all crests, or all troughs... break a stick and you have not a stick of top and one of bottom, but two sticks with top/bottom the action of dao is like a bellows... Both are everpresent and of one unified flowing process, not two. What I used to perceive as two opposing separate things... I now experience as two complimentary expressions of one unified spectrum of wait for it... both... same time Edited August 7, 2018 by silent thunder added phrases for clarity 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted August 7, 2018 thinker and thought buyer and seller light and shadow none of these are separate they are each other, complimentary, supportive and of one spectrum not two Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted August 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, silent thunder said: thinker and thought buyer and seller light and shadow none of these are separate - yes, they still are separate they are each other, complimentary, supportive and of one spectrum not two "Not two" - is still only half of it. Coming to the realization that all things are simultaneously 'separate' and 'not-separate' -- the fullness of "Both, same time" appears. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted August 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, rene said: "Not two" - is still only half of it. Coming to the realization that all things are simultaneously 'separate' and 'not-separate' -- the fullness of "Both, same time" appears. such an important distinction that remains elusive... thank you my friend for that clarification. in my fervor to express what I feel and seem to know, I often skim past the jist of things. *deep bow* you are deeply appreciated 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Daemon said: Symbiosis? ☮️ what a fantastic word! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Daemon said: Symbiosis? ☮️ I like that! A spiritual symbiosis: between Dao and all that has arisen. Edited August 7, 2018 by rene Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemon Posted August 7, 2018 Delightful, isn't it? ☮️ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted August 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, silent thunder said: such an important distinction that remains elusive... thank you my friend for that clarification. in my fervor to express what I feel and seem to know, I often skim past the jist of things. *deep bow* you are deeply appreciated thanks! No worries re elusive. 'Either/or' thinking is hard to overcome. Especially with so many saying 'Life is just an illusion' - and then being whacked by Marblehead's chair. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wu Ming Jen Posted August 7, 2018 I do not know anything about enlightenment. The best path is physical and tangible. The post heaven energies we are all born into gets stuck deep into the bones and tendons. By practicing internal martial arts we are able to rid ourselves of this energy, we feel better and our life is more enjoyable. I will take joy and happiness of life, to actually celebrate life as a daily experience over enlightenment any day. Plus I don't like to put obstacles in my way. If you see enlightenment in your path just kill it. Then we can dance, sing and laugh over this so called enlightenment. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted August 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said: I do not know anything about enlightenment. The best path is physical and tangible. The post heaven energies we are all born into gets stuck deep into the bones and tendons. By practicing internal martial arts we are able to rid ourselves of this energy, we feel better and our life is more enjoyable. I will take joy and happiness of life, to actually celebrate life as a daily experience over enlightenment any day. Plus I don't like to put obstacles in my way. If you see enlightenment in your path just kill it. Then we can dance, sing and laugh over this so called enlightenment. Well said mate! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocky Lionmouth Posted August 8, 2018 In answer to the topic title this is what i got: Be quiet and don’t neglect anything. Keep at it. Caution: nothing is expendable and everything is a distraction. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falcon Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/1/2018 at 12:34 PM, rideforever said: - Buy a square mirror about 50x50cm from Ikea, and put it on the floor by a wall. Sit in front of it looking into your own eyes, for half an hour a day. Is there a reason from your own experience or tradition that this suggestion of yours derives from? What type of results have you experienced from this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
