Buddha Did Not Know

[3bob]

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Edited August 5, 2018 by 3bob

[doc benway]

13 hours ago, Wells said:

 

"Less uncertainty" about what exactly?

 

Excellent question.

I guess I'm expressing my own positive experiences with my practice.

Compared to other traditions I've been exposed to, I feel far less uncertainty about the overall path -

view, meditation, conduct, fruition

[Wells]

14 minutes ago, steve said:

Excellent question.

I guess I'm expressing my own positive experiences with my practice.

Compared to other traditions I've been exposed to, I feel far less uncertainty about the overall path -

view, meditation, conduct, fruition

 

In regard to the fact that no dzogchen student in the West so far ever achieved "fruition" (rainbow body), your enthusiasm seems a bit out of place

[doc benway]

7 hours ago, rideforever said:

How do these words affect your practice, exactly ?

They are a succinct meditation instruction, a pith instruction, like a lighthouse.

They keep me moving in the right direction and provide illumination in the darkness.

 

7 hours ago, rideforever said:

Who is your teacher ?

I've had several, my root teacher is Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.

 

7 hours ago, rideforever said:

How long have you been practising ?

About 12 years of dedicated Daoist practice followed by 6 years practicing Yungdrung Bön with TWR.

I've found my spiritual home and lifelong practice in Bön.

The comment about less uncertainty earlier primarily refers to the differences I've experienced in the two traditions.

 

7 hours ago, rideforever said:

What have you accomplished ?

I just finished a delicious breakfast of kippered salmon, buttered jalapeño bagel, tomato, and onion.

And I was able to run a mile yesterday pain free (!) after a month hiatus due to a stress fracture in my heel.

So I'm very excited about getting back to running.

 

 

Would you like to share similar personal information about yourself?

[doc benway]

3 minutes ago, Wells said:

 

In regard to the fact that no dzogchen student in the West so far ever achieved "fruition" (rainbow body), your enthusiasm seems a bit out of place

 

Not at all, fruition means far more than achieving the rainbow body. 

 

It's like playing a musical instrument.

One can learn, practice, improve, and enrich one's life, and the lives of others, without ever playing Carnegie Hall or getting a recording contract. 

 

My practice has had such significant, tangible benefits in my life that I am living that fruition to whatever degree I am capable here and now. Perhaps I will dissolve into light at the time of my death, more likely not, and that doesn't discourage me at all. 

 

Fruition in Dzogchen, in the A-Tri and Zhangzhung Nyengyud teachings (2 of the 3 Bön Dzogchen cycles of teachings), refers to manifesting the 3 Kayas in this life. The furthest and rarest extreme is to achieve the Jalus but none of the teachers I've studied with have ever emphasized that or spent much time discussing it, it is something that may or may not manifest depending on our karma. Not only has no Western student achieved this, no Bönpo practitioner in the 20th century has achieved it other than Shardza Tashi Gyaltsen. It's not something I concern myself with. Focusing on something that may or may not happen decades from now is far more a distraction than a support. Whenever someone asks about it in retreat, Rinpoche tends to chuckle and suggest we not concern ourselves too much with that but rather focus on our current practice at our current level of progress. That's more than enough for me. 

 

[doc benway]

16 hours ago, Marblehead said:

That is one angry weasel.

 

 

Or maybe he is laughing maniacally...

 

[rideforever]

3 minutes ago, steve said:

 

 

Buddhism sounds a lot like the EU.
The talking just goes on and on.
So many big words.
========================================

Answers are small, quiet, and final.
But who will appreciate them.

 

[3bob]

18 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Not at all, fruition means far more than achieving the rainbow body. 

 

It's like playing a musical instrument.

One can learn, practice, improve, and enrich one's life, and the lives of others, without ever playing Carnegie Hall or getting a recording contract. 

 

My practice has had such significant, tangible benefits in my life that I am living that fruition to whatever degree I am capable here and now. Perhaps I will dissolve into light at the time of my death, more likely not, and that doesn't discourage me at all. 

 

Fruition in Dzogchen, in the A-Tri and Zhangzhung Nyengyud teachings (2 of the 3 Bön Dzogchen cycles of teachings), refers to manifesting the 3 Kayas in this life. The furthest and rarest extreme is to achieve the Jalus but none of the teachers I've studied with have ever emphasized that or spent much time discussing it, it is something that may or may not manifest depending on our karma. Not only has no Western student achieved this, no Bönpo practitioner in the 20th century has achieved it other than Shardza Tashi Gyaltsen. It's not something I concern myself with. Focusing on something that may or may not happen decades from now is far more a distraction than a support. Whenever someone asks about it in retreat, Rinpoche tends to chuckle and suggest we not concern ourselves too much with that but rather focus on our current practice at our current level of progress. That's more than enough for me. 

 

 

besides who has the need to know details about someone else unless they are directly involved with each other, and even then certain details need not be said.

[Marblehead]

25 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Or maybe he is laughing maniacally...

 

What an optimist!!!

 

 

[Wells]

33 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Not at all, fruition means far more than achieving the rainbow body. 

 

It's like playing a musical instrument.

One can learn, practice, improve, and enrich one's life, and the lives of others, without ever playing Carnegie Hall or getting a recording contract. 

 

My practice has had such significant, tangible benefits in my life that I am living that fruition to whatever degree I am capable here and now. Perhaps I will dissolve into light at the time of my death, more likely not, and that doesn't discourage me at all. 

 

Fruition in Dzogchen, in the A-Tri and Zhangzhung Nyengyud teachings (2 of the 3 Bön Dzogchen cycles of teachings), refers to manifesting the 3 Kayas in this life. The furthest and rarest extreme is to achieve the Jalus but none of the teachers I've studied with have ever emphasized that or spent much time discussing it, it is something that may or may not manifest depending on our karma. Not only has no Western student achieved this, no Bönpo practitioner in the 20th century has achieved it other than Shardza Tashi Gyaltsen. It's not something I concern myself with. Focusing on something that may or may not happen decades from now is far more a distraction than a support. Whenever someone asks about it in retreat, Rinpoche tends to chuckle and suggest we not concern ourselves too much with that but rather focus on our current practice at our current level of progress. That's more than enough for me. 

 

 

That sounds reasonable.

I guess an apology of me towards you is appropriate.

 

[ilumairen]

56 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

Buddhism sounds a lot like the EU.
The talking just goes on and on.
So many big words.
========================================

Answers are small, quiet, and final.
But who will appreciate them.

 

 

The one who is able to listen. 

[rideforever]

54 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

The one who is able to listen. 

 

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Edited August 5, 2018 by rideforever

[rene]

43 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

The one who is able to listen. 

 

The one who is able to hear.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

Yes ... listen quietly peacefully.

Let's all be quiet nobody disturb anything.

Love is love, everything is everything, everyone is everyone.

Peace we are all so sleepy and peacefully.

Lovely happy dreams.
Unicorns, fairies, rainbow bodies, sleepy very quiet, fish and chips.

So sleepy and quiet.

So peaceful very peaceful.

 

 

That is only half of the whole.

 

7 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

WAKE THE FUCK UP, YOU ARE ALIVE, ACT LIKE IT

 

Buddha was not a lazy sleepy coward !

 

That is the other half.

 

Life is fullest with: Both, same time.

 

Or so it seems to me. (-:

[ilumairen]

10 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

Yes ... listen quietly peacefully.

Let's all be quiet nobody disturb anything.

Love is love, everything is everything, everyone is everyone.

Peace we are all so sleepy and peacefully.

Lovely happy dreams.
Unicorns, fairies, rainbow bodies, sleepy very quiet, fish and chips.

So sleepy and quiet.

So peaceful very peaceful.

 

 

Wake the f*** up. you are alive, act like it.

 

Buddha was not a lazy sleepy coward !

 

That's quite a rant.. feel better?

 

BTW I quite enjoy fish and chips. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

another btw... You don't know the people you are reacting to and without knowing your words are as much a reflection of you, as they are any perceived indictment of them. 

[ilumairen]

23 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

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Wouldn't it be kinda hard to listen or hear when one is sleeping.

 

Neat little bit of artwork though. 

[3bob]

2 hours ago, Marblehead said:

What an optimist!!!

 

 

 

(that was about as mean as kind Steve has ever gotten, which btw. was not very mean)

[Wells]

2 hours ago, steve said:

Or maybe he is laughing maniacally...

 

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

 

 

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

 

[doc benway]

1 hour ago, 3bob said:

 

(that was about as mean as kind Steve has ever gotten, which btw. was not very mean)

 

I have my moments!

[doc benway]

3 hours ago, Wells said:

 

That sounds reasonable.

I guess an apology of me towards you is appropriate.

 

 

I didn’t feel wronged, no apology necessary but I do appreciate the gesture.

 

[Bud Jetsun]

There are no mandatory prerequisites required to appreciate Now. 

 

Mindfulness comes when ones thoughts are recognized as their singular responsibility always inherently under their own minds exclusive control. 

 

With mindfulness, one may choose to appreciate whatever the nature of Now may be. 

 

The commitment level to attain is terminal.  It's not the tree or the act of sitting, but the decision to appreciate the real or die in the attempt. 

 

Unlimited Love, 

-Bud

Edited August 5, 2018 by Bud Jetsun

[rideforever]

5 minutes ago, Bud Jetsun said:

It's not the tree or the act of sitting, but the decision to appreciate the real or die in the attempt. 

 

 

Arise Now!

Arise Now!

Riders of Théoden!

Spear shall be shaken!
Shield be splintered!
A Sword Day!
A Red Day!
Here, the Sun rises!

[Marblehead]

They all ought to go home to their wife.

 

[Bindi]

6 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

Wouldn't it be kinda hard to listen or hear when one is sleeping.

 

Neat little bit of artwork though. 

 

You can listen to your dreams when sleeping, mountains of good information there, better than most words I've heard when awake  

[ilumairen]

1 minute ago, Bindi said:

 

You can listen to your dreams when sleeping, mountains of good information there, better than most words I've heard when awake  

 

Good point.