The Single Light as the Fa Shen that can not be seen creates The need to Pulverize the Physical body, to create the Immortal Golden Dragon body

[dawei]

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[Wu Ming Jen]

Shortly after dwelling in this serenity a golden light will emerge from the body like a large wheel, manifesting in front of the practiser who should drive the light of his spiritual nature in front of it, and imagine that the golden light shrinks into a small circle about one inch in diameter, like a gold coin. He should then roll his eyes to collect and suck (the golden light) into his spiritual nature which will enter the original cavity of spirit (tsu ch’iao, between and behind the eyes).

 

This quote  void  is one of a sitting Chi Gung Exersise done daily with tap, rub, brush, acupressure techniques. as a set.

 

Manipulating eyes to guide light is not the right application. It is a physical, tangible and authenticated method. Not neidan methods

 

« Five Dragons Skill to Expel Diseases and Prolong Life» 

 

quotes are actual physical forms see the relation of words dragon, yang Shen, golden light.

 

The sweet spring, the saliva, the Golden Liquid, must descend to the lower Cinnabar Field. It must not be lost through spitting, because it is exactly the root of the Golden Elixir and of utmost importance. One must move and transform this root. The Golden Liquid is likened to the source of water, the source for a long and everlasting life.   Same here tongue rotation or swirling the red dragon meaning the tongue. gather Sylvia and ingest in three parts. all great physical exercise but not neidan

 

After mastering the 49 barriers of neidan the terms become very clear.

 

These are not metaphors or analogies. These are not just fantastical examples, but genuine verifications, true images and concretely existing sights. They are true manifestations and prospects. The immortal masters personally verified these strange and bizarre sceneries, truly extraordinary imagery. Cultivators who achieved this stage do not dare to tell others, outsiders, people who are outside the gate of Daoism, outside the sects of Daoism. These are not things that normal people could comprehend, because all the images and sounds that extraordinary people can perceive and hear are too precious and too rare.
Some people even at death have no clue of it.

[voidisyinyang]

5 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

is not the right application. It is a physical, tangible and authenticated method. Not neidan methods

 

 

Is pulverizing the body a "physical method" and so "not the right application"? It's not Neidan to pulverize the body?

[voidisyinyang]

15 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

 

Manipulating eyes to guide light is not the right application. ... Not neidan methods

 

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the practiser should drive his spiritual 
body in front of the golden light to absorb it, and draw 
the former into his physical body which will imbibe the 
light which will transform it into vapour. If he fails to get 
hold of the golden light his body will not evaporate.’

The positive spirit should not be allowed to go out carelessly but should be reabsorbed as soon as it has left, for once outside it may detest the filthy body and refuse to return to its unclean abode. It should be kept close to the body and returned to it until the practiser is familiar with the exercise. ‘When it re-enters the brain (or ni wan) the body will feel hot as fire, the golden light will radiate through all pores.

Is this still qigong? Or Neidan? I want to make sure to use the right "terminology."

[Wu Ming Jen]

“One’s true body, the Yang body, leaps out of the physical flesh.
Consequently one dislikes society, 
fame, reputation, honor and glory,
and one considers the human body to be only dirt, stench and filth.”

 

This therefore is a sign and omen of the Yang Spirit departing its shell, a sign of the true body.

 

One must urgently retrieve it and must not meander away with it. Bring the spirit back into the body. It leaves all the time, bring it back

 

This is where many cultivators go wrong.
This is where many follow the incorrect plan  This stage feels like the reward for their ordeals, but it is not the highest plane.

 

Void is a lot of your material from Taoist yoga?  The actual physical forms of cultivation?
 

[Bindi]

6 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

“One’s true body, the Yang body, leaps out of the physical flesh.
Consequently one dislikes society, 
fame, reputation, honor and glory,
and one considers the human body to be only dirt, stench and filth.”

 

This therefore is a sign and omen of the Yang Spirit departing its shell, a sign of the true body.

 

One must urgently retrieve it and must not meander away with it. Bring the spirit back into the body. It leaves all the time, bring it back

 

This is where many cultivators go wrong.
This is where many follow the incorrect plan  This stage feels like the reward for their ordeals, but it is not the highest plane.

 

Void is a lot of your material from Taoist yoga?  The actual physical forms of cultivation?
 

 

Wu Ming Jen, where is this quote from? 

[voidisyinyang]

3 hours ago, Bindi said:

 

Wu Ming Jen, where is this quote from? 

If you scroll up the thread one comment, He's quoting what I had just posted here: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/47344-the-single-light-as-the-fa-shen-that-can-not-be-seen-creates-the-need-to-pulverize-the-physical-body-to-create-the-immortal-golden-dragon-body/?do=findComment&comment=837632 it's from this word searchable book:

https://archive.org/stream/TaoistYogaAlchemyAndImmortalityLuKuanYCharlesLuk/Taoist Yoga Alchemy and Immortality Lu K’uan Yü (Charles Luk)_djvu.txt

Edited August 16, 2018 by voidisyinyang

[Wu Ming Jen]

3 hours ago, Bindi said:

 

Wu Ming Jen, where is this quote from? 

The quote is from one Taoist scripture  from my tradition. 

[Wu Ming Jen]

9 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

I picked the same passage worded a bit different than yours from my tradition as long as we understand the light of heaven can not be seen.

 

People can misunderstand and think they should see with the eyes golden light. We know that gold is a symbol for this heavenly light.

 

Feeling hot like fire is not a sign of verification so I do not know if this line is part of your quote or just placed there out of context?

[voidisyinyang]

5 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

I picked the same passage worded a bit different than yours from my tradition as long as we understand the light of heaven can not be seen.

 

People can misunderstand and think they should see with the eyes golden light. We know that gold is a symbol for this heavenly light.

 

Feeling hot like fire is not a sign of verification so I do not know if this line is part of your quote or just placed there out of context?

I'll post the larger context.

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The remedying method consists of holding on to the golden 
light while dwelling in serenity with unflinching determina¬ 
tion to banish the demon. Then all demonic states will 
vanish and the practiser should shrink the golden light, roll 
his eyes to suck it into his spiritual body, and return the 
latter to the original cavity of spirit (tsu ch’iao between 
and behind the eyes). After a long while the golden light 
will emerge again to transform the negative demon into 
positive spirit which will manifest in front of him. Only 
when the positive spirit appears with features identical to 
his can it be prevented from fleeing away. 

The master Liu Ming Jui said: ‘When the immortal 
foetus first comes out of the original cavity of spirit (tsu 
ch’iao) the practiser should guard against outside demonic 
disturbances, and should never speak to those apparitions 
that greet him but should hold on to the right thought 
(concentration). Spirit should return to the body as soon 
as it is out of it and should not go to distant places. The 
golden light the size of a large wheel that manifests two 
to three feet from his body belongs to him and should be 
sucked back into the body; it is a wonderful drug that will 
sublimate his body and return it to nothingness. 

‘When it emerges for the first time, it should not cling 
to anything outside; the practiser should drive his spiritual 
body in front of the golden light to absorb it, and draw 
the former into his physical body which will imbibe the 
light which will transform it into vapour. If he fails to get 
hold of the golden light his body will not evaporate.’ 



THE EGRESS 169 

The master Liu Ch’uan Yang said: ‘When positive spirit 
comes out of the original cavity of spirit and fails to return 
to the body, this is due to wrong training. Therefore, when 
the positive spirit goes out, it is most important to hold on 
to the golden light unflinchingly; then all demons will 
disappear. The positive spirit should not be allowed to go 
out carelessly but should be reabsorbed as soon as it has 
left, for once outside it may detest the filthy body and refuse 
to return to its unclean abode. It should be kept close to 
the body and returned to it until the practiser is familiar 
with the exercise. 

‘When it re-enters the brain (or ni wan) the body will 
feel hot as fire, and the golden light will radiate through all 
pores. If the practiser gives way to fright or delights in this 
light he will slip into the way of the demon and will fail in 
his training. 

 

[voidisyinyang]

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Shun I Tsu said: ‘Man has two bodies, the physical which is tangible and the spiritual which is intangible. The physical body is that given by our parents, and the spiritual is prenatal vitality produced by the first six methods of practice (Chapters 1 to 6) and is our essential nature.

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This is prenatal vitality in the prenatal state which in fact is wholly positive vitality, or positive spirit

 

[Ilovecoffee]

On 8/10/2018 at 2:37 PM, voidisyinyang said:

WEsternized "popular" promotion of Mopai - they seem to claim that "yin qi" is electric and "yang qi" is magnetic 

 

 

 

 

No one in our group at least makes such a claim. 

[voidisyinyang]

On 8/17/2018 at 4:26 AM, Ilovecoffee said:

 

 

No one in our group at least makes such a claim. 

here is an example of what I referred to - calling the "yang qi" as magnetic.

 

So we could "Justify" this terminology - we can refer to "Memristor" - which is magnetic flux as the 5th dimension - stored up black hole information as negentropy energy.

 

So I just word searched the Magus book again. Essentially Yang qi is limited to the body (as in Daoist alchemy - it is "with substance) - and so it has to be compressed and stored up - which is actually the "immortal seed" referred to in the Taoist Yoga book - it is from the  Ambrosia (the charged up cerebrospinal fluid that overflows out of the skull and is swallowed)...

 

http://www.human-resonance.org/qi_flashes.html

 

Here someone else attempts to explain John Chang using science. The HHO plasma - this requires a "tornado" process so that you have antimatter - or "yin matter" as the Golden Key that is superluminal (as Zhong Gong calls it - Master Zhang, Hongbao).

 

so when you split the proton and electron - there is a "magnetic moment" that is the ELF subharmonic - the OM sound as quantum phonons - and this "magnetic moment" is actually superluminal spin as noncommutative phase coherence energy-information - the 5th dimension. Dr. Andrija Puharich also figured this out - his Psi-plasma research when he was a CIA mind control scientist.

 

So then John Chang explains - that you can only stored up as much yin qi as you have yang qi in the body (from celibacy), otherwise the yin qi just dissipiates. This is also described by the Hun  Soul and Po Soul - so the Po Soul "holds" the Hun Soul back - to stop the shen from leaving the body.  This is the hardest to control. So technically you can even be "celibate" but you can still send qi outside the body - from the yang qi and  yin qi being activated together.

 

So then John Chang explains when "yang qi" is sent out of the body - it does not travel in our normal sense of space. And Kosta says - yes the yang qi is neither wave nor particle yet both wave and particle at the same time. This is again the noncommutative phase as the 5th dimension.

 

So for the "demonstration" of telekinesis - John Chang creates yin qi outside his body that then "absorbs" the yang qi of the student.

Similarly a spirit with yin qi can "absorb" the yang qi of - say a young female - who has strong yang qi (females are yang internally) and so creates poltergeists.

 

So John Chang says he stores up the yang qi by holding his breath while compressing the lower tan t'ien. So someone online asks if this is the same as Wim Hof method. What happens from holding the breath after exhale is that the vagus nerve is activated - the chi is stored up as an electric eel, just as John Chang says he is like an electric eel. It is the potassium-sodium ratio. The vagus nerve activates the potassium positive ions (the yang qi) that stores up the energy.

 

But as quantum biology has shown - even these electrochemical ions are based on the microtubule quantum coherence energy - which is again reverse time negentropy, from the future. So that is the energy referred to when the "yang qi" leaves the body after the fusion with the yin qi - as electrical energy or "life force" or "real chi" - aka Yuan Qi.

 

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"yin is the primal quality before space-time"

 

So this is again the "yin matter" as Zhang, Hongbao calls it - it is superluminal or what de Broglie discovered as the "pilot wave" that guides reality as the subquantum ether.

 

So it requires the "yang qi" to "sense" the yin qi with the byproduct being the electromagnetic energy.

This is just as science says that electromagnetic field is actually from virtual photons.

So Magus emphasizes for more people the yin and yang run parallel and are separate and so there is entropy.

But by "reversing" or returning the yin qi back into the yang qi - you then "extract the lead" to "replenish the mercury" - so that as the yang qi is stored up it has to be purified into a deeper level of stored up yin qi - as they are fused together as the Wuji or t'ai Chi. When the eyes are open - the energies separate.

So as John Chang says - when he creates the yin qi field then he has to meditate to recover that energy.

John Chang has to add his yin qi to the stored up yang qi in the student - which then causes the telekinetic explosion but it does not travel through "normal" space - it is through the 5th dimension as the Emptiness.

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Then we can push yang ch'i out of our bodies - though not through space.

 

 

[Ilovecoffee]

2 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

here is an example of what I referred to - calling the "yang qi" as magnetic.

 

So we could "Justify" this terminology - we can refer to "Memristor" - which is magnetic flux as the 5th dimension - stored up black hole information as negentropy energy.

 

So I just word searched the Magus book again. Essentially Yang qi is limited to the body (as in Daoist alchemy - it is "with substance) - and so it has to be compressed and stored up - which is actually the "immortal seed" referred to in the Taoist Yoga book - it is from the  Ambrosia (the charged up cerebrospinal fluid that overflows out of the skull and is swallowed)...

 

http://www.human-resonance.org/qi_flashes.html

 

Here someone else attempts to explain John Chang using science. The HHO plasma - this requires a "tornado" process so that you have antimatter - or "yin matter" as the Golden Key that is superluminal (as Zhong Gong calls it - Master Zhang, Hongbao).

 

so when you split the proton and electron - there is a "magnetic moment" that is the ELF subharmonic - the OM sound as quantum phonons - and this "magnetic moment" is actually superluminal spin as noncommutative phase coherence energy-information - the 5th dimension. Dr. Andrija Puharich also figured this out - his Psi-plasma research when he was a CIA mind control scientist.

 

So then John Chang explains - that you can only stored up as much yin qi as you have yang qi in the body (from celibacy), otherwise the yin qi just dissipiates. This is also described by the Hun  Soul and Po Soul - so the Po Soul "holds" the Hun Soul back - to stop the shen from leaving the body.  This is the hardest to control. So technically you can even be "celibate" but you can still send qi outside the body - from the yang qi and  yin qi being activated together.

 

So then John Chang explains when "yang qi" is sent out of the body - it does not travel in our normal sense of space. And Kosta says - yes the yang qi is neither wave nor particle yet both wave and particle at the same time. This is again the noncommutative phase as the 5th dimension.

 

So for the "demonstration" of telekinesis - John Chang creates yin qi outside his body that then "absorbs" the yang qi of the student.

Similarly a spirit with yin qi can "absorb" the yang qi of - say a young female - who has strong yang qi (females are yang internally) and so creates poltergeists.

 

So John Chang says he stores up the yang qi by holding his breath while compressing the lower tan t'ien. So someone online asks if this is the same as Wim Hof method. What happens from holding the breath after exhale is that the vagus nerve is activated - the chi is stored up as an electric eel, just as John Chang says he is like an electric eel. It is the potassium-sodium ratio. The vagus nerve activates the potassium positive ions (the yang qi) that stores up the energy.

 

But as quantum biology has shown - even these electrochemical ions are based on the microtubule quantum coherence energy - which is again reverse time negentropy, from the future. So that is the energy referred to when the "yang qi" leaves the body after the fusion with the yin qi - as electrical energy or "life force" or "real chi" - aka Yuan Qi.

 

 

So this is again the "yin matter" as Zhang, Hongbao calls it - it is superluminal or what de Broglie discovered as the "pilot wave" that guides reality as the subquantum ether.

 

So it requires the "yang qi" to "sense" the yin qi with the byproduct being the electromagnetic energy.

This is just as science says that electromagnetic field is actually from virtual photons.

So Magus emphasizes for more people the yin and yang run parallel and are separate and so there is entropy.

But by "reversing" or returning the yin qi back into the yang qi - you then "extract the lead" to "replenish the mercury" - so that as the yang qi is stored up it has to be purified into a deeper level of stored up yin qi - as they are fused together as the Wuji or t'ai Chi. When the eyes are open - the energies separate.

So as John Chang says - when he creates the yin qi field then he has to meditate to recover that energy.

John Chang has to add his yin qi to the stored up yang qi in the student - which then causes the telekinetic explosion but it does not travel through "normal" space - it is through the 5th dimension as the Emptiness.

 

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

1 hour ago, Ilovecoffee said:

 

http://elixirfield.blogspot.com for more details

[Ilovecoffee]

1 hour ago, voidisyinyang said:

http://elixirfield.blogspot.com for more details

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

3 minutes ago, Ilovecoffee said:

 

 

34 Qigong Hospitals, 1989 China

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“Since the first Qigong Treatment Convalescent Hospital was set up in Tangshan, Hebei Province, in 1954, the state public health department has overseen the establishment of 34 qigong hospitals….most other hospitals and convalescent homes across the country also have special qigong departments…China has at least eight magazines devoted to qigong research and popularization….from China’s ten national and many local qigong scientific research associations….Qigong researchers maintain that the body and nature exist as an inter-related and inseparable unity….Qigong was first used medically in New China to cure stomach ulcers. A survey of 1,000 sufferers conducted between 1954 and 1959 discovered that qigong is effective for over 95 percent of them.

 

Subsequent X-ray examinations showed that the continued use of qigong helped the body to absorb scar tissue, ensuring a complete recovery with no possibility of relapse….Professor Feng Lida….using an electron microscope…discovered that active cancer cells changed state when subjected to qigong. They swelled up then disintegrated and died….Other suggestions included a kind of human laser beam and an energy transporting medium….such a breakthrough will lead to a massive new technological revolution - perhaps even greater than the one brought about by quantum mechanics, the theory of relativity….It will reshape the entire human world.”

 

Beijing Review

, April 24-30, 1989

[Ilovecoffee]

gotcha thanks for all that.

[voidisyinyang]

17 hours ago, Ilovecoffee said:

gotcha thanks for all that.

Actually the Yang qi "leaving the body" - this is the same as my infamous "O at a D" terminology. So John Chang creates a "yin qi" energy - but in fact it is experienced internally inside the person sending out the yang qi - as the 5th dimension - as yin-yang or Yuan Qi energy. So the "O at a D" is also "telekinesis" - only it activates inside the stronger "yin qi" source - the female.

[Ilovecoffee]

On 8/19/2018 at 12:23 PM, voidisyinyang said:

Actually the Yang qi "leaving the body" - this is the same as my infamous "O at a D" terminology. So John Chang creates a "yin qi" energy - but in fact it is experienced internally inside the person sending out the yang qi - as the 5th dimension - as yin-yang or Yuan Qi energy. So the "O at a D" is also "telekinesis" - only it activates inside the stronger "yin qi" source - the female.

 

I see.

[Marblehead]

16 minutes ago, Ilovecoffee said:

 

I see.

… said the blind man.