Experiences with Brahmacharya

[Fa Xin]

If I read Jeff’s recommendations correctly, he simply saying to hold the deity in your heart/mind while your having temptations. 

 

Sounds like great advice to me. 

 

 

[ilumairen]

9 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

So asking for Divine help is BS advice?

 

Seems the OP is having trouble abstaining and is looking for guidance beyond just abstain.

 

Perhaps directing a minor to "high level" "completion type" practices/excercises before he even has the fundamentals down is the issue?

 

He is a minor, and I suggest taking great care with what is presented and how it is presented. 

[ilumairen]

10 minutes ago, Fa Xin said:

If I read Jeff’s recommendations correctly, he simply saying to hold the deity in your heart/mind while your having temptations. 

 

Sounds like great advice to me. 

 

 

Then a male diety would work as well, yes?

[Jeff]

Just now, ilumairen said:

 

Then a male diety would work as well, yes?

 

The dynamic is different with a male Deity. That would be more like classical guru yoga, and requires a more advanced energetic basis.  But, it is possible too..

 

Abhinavagupta states...

 

"He attains the potency of the mantra whose nature is the Heart because if the efficacy of the method of worship, either by himself, because of his own superiority and difference, or because of the lotus flower of the clear and gracious speech of the lord guru. This is state of liberation while still alive."

 

Also, it is about the "adoration", and not the specific form or object of practice...

 

"These same divinities are likewise to be worshipped and "practiced" in one's own body. By whatever object of practice, whether it be the appeased form which is to be obtained by means of the consciousness in the Heart, one obtains Siva in his quiescent, appeased condition like an ocean without waves."

[Jonesboy]

24 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

Perhaps directing a minor to "high level" "completion type" practices/excercises before he even has the fundamentals down is the issue?

 

He is a minor, and I suggest taking great care with what is presented and how it is presented. 

 

Thank you but that wasn't the point that was raised.

 

Maybe I am wrong but working with Tara is taught at all levels in Buddhism is it not? Directing ones issues and fears towards a Divine beings isn't really a completion stage practice.

 

While the topic is on sexual desire, the same type of thing could be used for addiction to smoking, drugs etc.

 

Basically the suggestion is if one is open, one can be helped with ones issues. Nothing wrong or super advanced about being open to it.

[Jeff]

14 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Thank you but that wasn't the point that was raised.

 

Maybe I am wrong but working with Tara is taught at all levels in Buddhism is it not? Directing ones issues and fears towards a Divine beings isn't really a completion stage practice.

 

While the topic is on sexual desire, the same type of thing could be used for addiction to smoking, drugs etc.

 

Basically the suggestion is if one is open, one can be helped with ones issues. Nothing wrong or super advanced about being open to it.

 

Here is same point from a Dzogchen/Buddhist perspective...

 

Lady Tsogyal asked Master Padma: With which virtues is the inner way of taking refuge endowed?

 

...

By taking refuge in the dakini, you will be protected from obstacles and evil spirits. The impediment of the poverty of hungry ghosts is cleared away, the accumulation of detachment and freedom from clinging will be perfected, and the accomplishment of the sambhogakaya of great bliss will be attained.

 

-padmasambhava guru Rinpoche. Dakini Teachings 

 

 

[s1va]

3 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

Perhaps directing a minor to "high level" "completion type" practices/excercises before he even has the fundamentals down is the issue?

 

He is a minor, and I suggest taking great care with what is presented and how it is presented. 

 

While I am in total agreement with exercising caution when presenting things to minors, I am curious about the first part of your post.

 

Are you saying all minors (below the legal age, 18, 21 or whatever), perhaps don't have the fundamentals and are not ready for “high level" "completion type" practices/exercises?  Or just in this case, it is your conclusion that perhaps this particular minor does not have the fundamentals and is not ready for such practices?  If so, how did you arrive at the conclusion about this minor? Is it based on reading some of his posts in the forum?

[3bob]

2 hours ago, Jonesboy said:

 

So asking for Divine help is BS advice?

 

Seems the OP is having trouble abstaining and is looking for guidance beyond just abstain.

 

ok, I should modify that to,  "from fine to BS"...thus the op and others could consider same?  (as has happened to an 'x' degree) 

[Jonesboy]

4 minutes ago, 3bob said:

 

ok, I should modify that to,  "from fine to BS"...thus the op and others could consider same?  (as has happened to an 'x' degree) 

 

I'm sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

[3bob]

it means exactly what it says regarding my earlier "BS" sentence.  (with same meaning from fine to BS in the whole string thus not just what the wana-be, self assigned masters may say)

Edited September 7, 2018 by 3bob

[Jonesboy]

3 minutes ago, 3bob said:

it means exactly what it says regarding my earlier "BS" sentence.  (with same meaning from fine to BS in the whole string thus not just what the wana-be, self assigned masters may say)

 

Oh so you are saying change this "what a bunch of sexual related bullshit advice is going down here! "

 

To this "what a bunch of sexual related fine advice is going down here! "?

 

Also, are you saying that recommendations to connecting to a personal Ishta makes someone a self assigned master?

[s1va]

3 hours ago, 3bob said:

what a bunch of sexual related bullshit advice is going down here!

 

Lightseeker, as long as you are looking into some of the Hindu/Vedic/Indian sources for information and direction, and if you really want to find some peace then I suggest  you look into (all of) the practices of yama and then niyama....they are the foundation that the beginner and also great Yoga adept stick to and never forget to practice, thus if one falls as is likely to happen now and then, a fall is not really a bad fall per-se but more like a reboot to the safe foundations of yama and niyama, thus not into the hell realms.

 

(minor edit made)

 

 

Yama and Niyamas are the basic tenets of Yoga.  The very first principle of Yama that is generally taught is Ahimsa or non-violence.  Here is what Swami Sivananda one of the foremost teachers of Vedanta has to say on that...

 

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MEANING OF AHIMSA

Ahimsa or non-injury, of course, implies non-killing. But, non-injury is not merely non-killing. In its comprehensive meaning, Ahimsa or non-injury means entire abstinence from causing any pain or harm whatsoever to any living creature, either by thought, word, or deed. Non-injury requires a harmless mind, mouth, and hand.

Ahimsa is not mere negative non-injury. It is positive, cosmic love. It is the development of a mental attitude in which hatred is replaced by love. Ahimsa is true sacrifice. Ahimsa is forgiveness. Ahimsa is Sakti (power). Ahimsa is true strength.

SUBTLE FORMS OF HIMSA

Only the ordinary people think that Ahimsa is not to hurt any living being physically. This is but the gross form of Ahimsa. The vow of Ahimsa is broken even by showing contempt towards another man, by entertaining unreasonable dislike for or prejudice towards anybody, by frowning at another man, by hating another man, by abusing another man, by speaking ill of others, by backbiting or vilifying, by harbouring thoughts of hatred, by uttering lies, or by ruining another man in any way whatsoever.

All harsh and rude speech is Himsa (violence or injury). Using harsh words to beggars, servants or inferiors is Himsa. Wounding the feelings of others by gesture, expression, tone of voice and unkind words is also Himsa. Slighting or showing deliberate discourtesy to a person before others is wanton Himsa. To approve of another's harsh actions is indirect Himsa. To fail to relieve another's pain, or even to neglect to go to the person in distress is a sort of Himsa. It is the sin of omission. Avoid strictly all forms of harshness, direct or indirect, positive or negative, immediate or delayed. Practice Ahimsa in its purest form and become divine. Ahimsa and Divinity are one.

 

Here is the entire article from The Divine Life Society: http://www.dlshq.org/teachings/ahimsa.htm

[3bob]

1 hour ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Oh so you are saying change this "what a bunch of sexual related bullshit advice is going down here! "

 

To this "what a bunch of sexual related fine advice is going down here! "?

 

Also, are you saying that recommendations to connecting to a personal Ishta makes someone a self assigned master?

 

from fine to BS did not include change from BS to fine,  I wonder how many interpreted my follow up the way you did?  No biggy though since it doesn't hurt to spell it out further...as from:  fine but ranging across the gamut to BS.   As for your 3rd sentence figure  that one out for yourself using the full context and content that have been submitted, not how you are seemingly are steering it.

[ilumairen]

4 hours ago, s1va said:

 

While I am in total agreement with exercising caution when presenting things to minors, I am curious about the first part of your post.

 

Are you saying all minors (below the legal age, 18, 21 or whatever), perhaps don't have the fundamentals and are not ready for “high level" "completion type" practices/exercises?  Or just in this case, it is your conclusion that perhaps this particular minor does not have the fundamentals and is not ready for such practices?  If so, how did you arrive at the conclusion about this minor? Is it based on reading some of his posts in the forum?

 

My point is pragmatic. A minor is a minor, and at best it's foolish, and at worst flat out wrong for any of us 'strangers online' to discuss sexual topics with them. 

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sexual-intelligence/201705/government-criminalizes-sexual-fantasy

 

[Jonesboy]

1 hour ago, 3bob said:

 

from fine to BS did not include change from BS to fine,  I wonder how many interpreted my follow up the way you did?  No biggy though since it doesn't hurt to spell it out further...as from:  fine but ranging across the gamut to BS.   As for your 3rd sentence figure  that one out for yourself using the full context and content that have been submitted, not how you are seemingly are steering it.

 

I have directly experienced what has been suggested and consider it excellent advice.

 

It is obvious you disagree but putting down others with snide comments really doesn't add value to the OP's request for assistance.

 

To tell you the truth I have no clue what you are still getting at with your fine comments. It really doesn't matter so no need to comment any more about it.

[3bob]

9 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

I have directly experienced what has been suggested and consider it excellent advice.

 

It is obvious you disagree but putting down others with snide comments really doesn't add value to the OP's request for assistance.

 

To tell you the truth I have no clue what you are still getting at with your fine comments. It really doesn't matter so no need to comment any more about it.

 

a never-mind is fine since you can not read what is right in front of you...

[Jonesboy]

1 hour ago, 3bob said:

 

a never-mind is fine since you can not read what is right in front of you...

 

Nevermind then 😊

[Lightseeker]

12 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

The approach is based in reverence/love for the goddess. One can start with simple sexual desire, and as long as it is combined with true respect and reverence, it is possible to make a connection to such a goddess. With the connection, ones (starting) sexual energy is directed to the “higher being”, that energy is then purified (refined) and returned. This purification loop incrementally raises the person higher, first moving into love and then higher into more oneness. Such purification loops are a natural male - female energy dynamic, just that it is much higher with a divine being ( buddhism has the similar concept with higher dakinis).

 

In your specific case, the approach is challenging as you have already laughed at it (showing a mental lack of respect/reverence).

How did I laugh at it? I did not mean to, if you think that. The only reason that I did not reply first, was discomfort when thinking of a god I have known since childhood in a sexual way. You must understand this.. 

[s1va]

2 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

My point is pragmatic. A minor is a minor, and at best it's foolish, and at worst flat out wrong for any of us 'strangers online' to discuss sexual topics with them. 

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sexual-intelligence/201705/government-criminalizes-sexual-fantasy

 

 

I mentioned I am in total agreement with exercising caution in presenting things to a minor.  My point and question was about something else.  The seeming determination as to who is qualified for advanced and end stage practices and who are ready only for fundamentals.

 

Not sure  how that link from psychology today is relevant to what is discussed here! 

[Fa Xin]

1 hour ago, s1va said:

 

I mentioned I am in total agreement with exercising caution in presenting things to a minor.  My point and question was about something else.  The seeming determination as to who is qualified for advanced and end stage practices and who are ready only for fundamentals.

Good question in general.  I have some friends who have children who they get into meditation and spiritual practices. Who determines their progression? Also, at what point would a child be considered “mature enough?” Surely not an arbitrary number determined by the state... as I’ve met 17 and 18 year olds who were years ahead of their time in wisdom. 

[Jeff]

14 hours ago, Lightseeker said:

How did I laugh at it? I did not mean to, if you think that. The only reason that I did not reply first, was discomfort when thinking of a god I have known since childhood in a sexual way. You must understand this.. 

 

Then there should not be any major issue. Just noticed you had laughed at a comment about Parvati porn earlier. It is important because, you are energetically at the point where you have the beginning potential to make such a connection, but not far enough along where it is an easy or sure thing. Maybe think of it like your heart is somewhat open, but you are not yet actually transmitting energy beyond your local body mind. While such a goddess is not really “offended”, subconscious ego stuff and mental disbelief will create resistance/barriers to such activities or higher connections with broader energy flows.

 

Jesus describes this goddess/Shakti energy dynamic like this..

 

44. Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven."

 

It is also important to understand that is not about sexual fantasy (or porn), it is about moving (sexual) desire energy to a higher level, and clearing out the underlying issues that manifest as the desire.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Jeff

[Fa Xin]

12 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

Jesus describes this goddess/Shakti energy dynamic like this..

 

44. Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven."

 

What would blaspheme refer to in this verse?

[Jeff]

5 minutes ago, Fa Xin said:

 

What would blaspheme refer to in this verse?

 

Blasphemy in this context is sort of any form of disrespect or trying to go against. Sort of like saying dont mess with or disrespect (or fight against) the will of God in the world. In broader terms, Blasphemy is the conscious decision and action to do something like that, with such a conscious action one creates a energetic block to the natural flow.  The Tao Te Ching describes it from the opposite side of needing to let go and surrender, as those who drop all of their individual ego stuff with their mental judgements, are the ones who are nourished by the great mother.

 

TWENTY

Give up learning, and put an end to your troubles.

Is there a difference between yes and no?

Is there a difference between good and evil?

Must I fear what others fear?

What nonsense! Other people are contented, enjoying the sacrificial feast of the ox.

In spring some go to the park and climb the terrace,

But I alone am drifting, not knowing where I am.

Like a newborn babe before it learns to smile, I am alone, without a place to go.

Others have more than they need, but I alone have nothing. I am a fool.

Oh, yes! I am confused. Others are clear and bright, But I alone am dim and weak.

Others are sharp and clever, But I alone am dull and stupid.

Oh, I drift like the waves of the sea,

Without direction, like the restless wind.

Everyone else is busy,

But I alone am aimless and without desire.

I am different. I am nourished by the great mother.

 

So it is basically, go with the flow and you are nourished, fight it/blasphemy against it and you further build up karmic crap and block your own natural energy flow.

[Lightseeker]

7 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

Then there should not be any major issue. Just noticed you had laughed at a comment about Parvati porn earlier. It is important because, you are energetically at the point where you have the beginning potential to make such a connection, but not far enough along where it is an easy or sure thing. Maybe think of it like your heart is somewhat open, but you are not yet actually transmitting energy beyond your local body mind. While such a goddess is not really “offended”, subconscious ego stuff and mental disbelief will create resistance/barriers to such activities or higher connections with broader energy flows.

 

Jesus describes this goddess/Shakti energy dynamic like this..

 

44. Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven."

 

It is also important to understand that is not about sexual fantasy (or porn), it is about moving (sexual) desire energy to a higher level, and clearing out the underlying issues that manifest as the desire.

Thank you, I understand what you are saying now. I laughed at the comment because it seemed to reflect the fears I was having at that exact moment. Now and then those times come along where you can’t help but laugh... but this doesn’t mean I don’t respect what you are saying.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Lightseeker