Experiences with Brahmacharya

[rideforever]

Teenagers should go dating, gyrate their hips to pop music, and yes even have sex.   Yes indeed.

 

Seems clear that this thread is simply about avoiding life.

 

Not good.   It is just fake Bramacharya, probably due to emotional pain.

 

What will you do with "tremendous power" .... what you are gong to do with it.   Because you know what is really "tremendous power", is when you walk your girlfriend home under the autumn trees after having a "nice time" and then you hold her in your arms and give her a kiss.

 

Now that is power.

 

And you can also meditate and stand on your head whatever all is good.

[Lightseeker]

3 hours ago, rideforever said:

Teenagers should go dating, gyrate their hips to pop music, and yes even have sex.   Yes indeed.

 

Seems clear that this thread is simply about avoiding life.

 

Not good.   It is just fake Bramacharya, probably due to emotional pain.

 

What will you do with "tremendous power" .... what you are gong to do with it.   Because you know what is really "tremendous power", is when you walk your girlfriend home under the autumn trees after having a "nice time" and then you hold her in your arms and give her a kiss.

 

Now that is power.

 

And you can also meditate and stand on your head whatever all is good.

As I think about what you’re saying I’m beginning to see your point. Can you at least help me avoid porn and masturbation? Any techniques for that??

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, Lightseeker said:

As I think about what you’re saying I’m beginning to see your point. Can you at least help me avoid porn and masturbation? Any techniques for that??

 

Well I think that's a very good question, a practical question.

[Jeff]

2 hours ago, Lightseeker said:

As I think about what you’re saying I’m beginning to see your point. Can you at least help me avoid porn and masturbation? Any techniques for that??

 

I have a technique that might help.  With your Hindu learning, are you familiar with the goddess Parvati? 

[rideforever]

Instead of thinking how can I stop doing bad things .... instead of thinking like that .... think like this how can I start doing right things.

You have no hope of stopping things unless you replace them with the right thing.

Firstly spend as much time with people any people and start talking more show yourself smile and get to meet people, especially women who you like.   Try and maybe it's a little difficult, but hey the birds and bees and lions and fish do it .... so can you.   Is it a little difficult at first ?   Maybe maybe not.   If you like someone and they like you then things are easier.   If you try it on with someone you don't really like .... then it's a mess.   Just be honest.   You like or don't like ?  You want to speak to her or not ?
Then get out in nature and go to the gym, wake up early, tidy up.
Make today just a little better than yesterday.
Also .... don't fill your head with violent video games, movies about killing, and alcohol drugs .... because that's just another kind of porn.

Get better friends.
Tomorrow a little better than today.

Forget about "stopping".   Think about "starting".

 

 

With the porn keep it simple and make it fast.   Don't feel guilty.
Also stop fantasising about anything at all, just stop, be here and now.

Also with spiritual practice, be nice, don't to the Buddhist violent meditation stuff.
Also do qigong so that your energy is full and smooth.

Don't be edgy be friendly.

Good to do forgiveness meditation on parents.

 

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by rideforever

[Lightseeker]

10 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

I have a technique that might help.  With your Hindu learning, are you familiar with the goddess Parvati? 

Yes I am..

[Jeff]

25 minutes ago, Lightseeker said:

Yes I am..

 

It is possible to create a broader connection to the goddess Parvati (or also someone like the goddess Tara). Then instead of porn or focus on someone while masterbating, you focus that desire energy on the goddess Parvati instead. Make her the object of your desire, and as the connection broadens it will cause your heart to open more, which will raise the energy higher. It is sort of like one can create a purification loop, where you send lower level desire energy, she purifies it and sends it back at a higher level. 

 

Just let let me know if you want to try and I will help open the connection. 

[Fa Xin]

I can second the Parvati suggestion. Working with higher beings has the ability to speed up the process of clearing the junk out. It can also be very enjoyable. 😊

[Cheshire Cat]

Please share some Parvati porn for spiritual purposes. 

Thank you 

[ronko]

On 30/08/2018 at 2:03 AM, Jeff said:

 

It is possible to create a broader connection to the goddess Parvati (or also someone like the goddess Tara). Then instead of porn or focus on someone while masterbating, you focus that desire energy on the goddess Parvati instead. Make her the object of your desire, and as the connection broadens it will cause your heart to open more, which will raise the energy higher. It is sort of like one can create a purification loop, where you send lower level desire energy, she purifies it and sends it back at a higher level. 

 

Just let let me know if you want to try and I will help open the connection. 

very interesting , can you say more

[Jeff]

Sure, happy to discuss.  Any specific questions?

[rex]

On 30/08/2018 at 2:03 AM, Jeff said:

 

It is possible to create a broader connection to the goddess Parvati (or also someone like the goddess Tara). Then instead of porn or focus on someone while masterbating, you focus that desire energy on the goddess Parvati instead. Make her the object of your desire, and as the connection broadens it will cause your heart to open more, which will raise the energy higher. It is sort of like one can create a purification loop, where you send lower level desire energy, she purifies it and sends it back at a higher level. 

 

Just let let me know if you want to try and I will help open the connection. 

Are there certain protocols to follow like getting consent from the desired goddess first? I don’t imagine they’re bliss vending machines to be on call to be the object of desire for the frustrated. Wouldn’t any connection involve formal practise where transmutation of energy would follow as part of a wider process of devotion and practise within the context of a spiritual praxis compatible with their nature? I think it may be bad form to connect with a goddess where the only motive is to perv at them.

 

Sorry if I’m being too cynical here ...

[Jeff]

2 minutes ago, rex said:

Are there certain protocols to follow like getting consent from the desired goddess first? I don’t imagine they’re bliss vending machines to be on call to be the object of desire for the frustrated. Wouldn’t any connection involve formal practise where transmutation of energy would follow as part of a wider process of devotion and practise within the context of a spiritual praxis compatible with their nature? I think it may be bad form to connect with a goddess where the only motive is to perv at them.

 

Sorry if I’m being too cynical here ...

 

Yes, but it is really more of a capacity/capability for it.  If one was only going to "perv" with them, then they would not really have the potential to access them in the first place.  Also, I mentioned Parvati and Tara in particular because because they have no such concept of being offended. Any true connection and focus will naturally be led higher, no matter the "starting point". 

 

Abhinavagupta (the great KS master) explains it like this in the Triadic Heart of Siva...

 

"The initiated one knows this supreme knowledge characterized by the Heart and which is given by the divinities of Bhairava who are within the Heart and who bring escape from the vibration of manifestation which leads to an obscuring of the Self, and are rather directed towards the supreme vibration which consists of the opening of the Self. These same divinities destroy the chief bond which is the state of contraction."

 

And once again in describing the approach to the practice of "immersion" (as with the light of the sun and moon), Ahbinagupta says...

 

"In order that this sacrifice be successful, one must properly honor (the goddess) with fragment flowers which effortlessly allow for an entrance into the heart; 

...

 

The purer (or higher), the better, but it is something that becomes refined over time.

[Lightseeker]

30 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

Yes, but it is really more of a capacity/capability for it.  If one was only going to "perv" with them, then they would not really have the potential to access them in the first place.  Also, I mentioned Parvati and Tara in particular because because they have no such concept of being offended. Any true connection and focus will naturally be led higher, no matter the "starting point". 

 

Abhinavagupta (the great KS master) explains it like this in the Triadic Heart of Siva...

 

"The initiated one knows this supreme knowledge characterized by the Heart and which is given by the divinities of Bhairava who are within the Heart and who bring escape from the vibration of manifestation which leads to an obscuring of the Self, and are rather directed towards the supreme vibration which consists of the opening of the Self. These same divinities destroy the chief bond which is the state of contraction."

 

And once again in describing the approach to the practice of "immersion" (as with the light of the sun and moon), Ahbinagupta says...

 

"In order that this sacrifice be successful, one must properly honor (the goddess) with fragment flowers which effortlessly allow for an entrance into the heart; 

...

 

The purer (or higher), the better, but it is something that becomes refined over time.

I see you have quoted the great author of tantra Loka here. Can you share with me what you understood if his explication of Yak from tantraloka? Also about his teachings on tapas(tapoyoga).

Edited September 4, 2018 by Lightseeker

[Jeff]

44 minutes ago, Lightseeker said:

I see you have quoted the great author of tantra Loka here. Can you share with me what you understood if his explication of Yak from tantraloka? Also about his teachings on tapas(tapoyoga).

 

Could be translation, but do you mean Vak, or relative layers of "supreme speech"?  Also, I am not aware or familiar of Abhinavagupta teaching something like tapoyoga. Is that some tradition?

 

Additionally to the broader point, in KS terms, one "integrates" with the Supreme speech (of Shiva) through this connection of heart (and immersion). Sort of like the yogi becomes more one with Shiva, thru the purification process. With the practice, the yogi "powers up" as you can see as described in the text below...

 

Oh Parvati! His will is one with my will, my supreme energy. It

is one with myself and rises from my own nature.35

The energy of the will of this yogi has become the cause of the

entire universe because the energy of this yogi is one with the

energy of Lord Siva, just as heat is one with fire and rays are

one with the sun. In the same way, his energy is one with the

self of Siva. (Netra Tantra 1.25-26)

[Lightseeker]

3 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

Could be translation, but do you mean Vak, or relative layers of "supreme speech"?  Also, I am not aware or familiar of Abhinavagupta teaching something like tapoyoga. Is that some tradition?

 

Additionally to the broader point, in KS terms, one "integrates" with the Supreme speech (of Shiva) through this connection of heart (and immersion). Sort of like the yogi becomes more one with Shiva, thru the purification process. With the practice, the yogi "powers up" as you can see as described in the text below...

 

Oh Parvati! His will is one with my will, my supreme energy. It

is one with myself and rises from my own nature.35

The energy of the will of this yogi has become the cause of the

entire universe because the energy of this yogi is one with the

energy of Lord Siva, just as heat is one with fire and rays are

one with the sun. In the same way, his energy is one with the

self of Siva. (Netra Tantra 1.25-26)

Yes, I meant vak. 

[Jeff]

34 minutes ago, Lightseeker said:

Yes, I meant vak. 

 

Then yes, I am familiar with the concepts.  In essence, the layers of speech, are layers of vibration/transmission/energy (spanda in KS), they translate into effective levels of (universal) mind. With the highest layer that of full universal mind or Lord Siva. 

 

I am a huge fan of Abhinavagupta writings and the actual practical application at very deep and refined spiritual levels. While his wording can get sort of flowery with the descriptions, I dont think there is any other teacher that spells things out in such detail. Truly sublime teachings.

[Lightseeker]

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

 

Then yes, I am familiar with the concepts.  In essence, the layers of speech, are layers of vibration/transmission/energy (spanda in KS), they translate into effective levels of (universal) mind. With the highest layer that of full universal mind or Lord Siva. 

 

I am a huge fan of Abhinavagupta writings and the actual practical application at very deep and refined spiritual levels. While his wording can get sort of flowery with the descriptions, I dont think there is any other teacher that spells things out in such detail. Truly sublime teachings.

Does he reveal the secrets of his kaula tradition? I haven’t read any works yet...

[rex]

On 04/09/2018 at 6:14 PM, Jeff said:

one must properly honor (the goddess)

Irrespective of where one is, this must be the overiding key.

[Jeff]

19 hours ago, Lightseeker said:

Does he reveal the secrets of his kaula tradition? I haven’t read any works yet...

 

He goes into great detail in his explanation of higher stuff and how it works. Well beyond any other documentation that I have ever seen at that kind of level. Super accurate stuff given his KS framework. 

[Lightseeker]

On 9/3/2018 at 8:01 PM, Jeff said:

Sure, happy to discuss.  Any specific questions?

I actually want to know more as well. My celibacy quest isn’t going too well either. IM also loosing lots of energy through unneeded masturbation. Please help...

[Jeff]

7 hours ago, Lightseeker said:

I actually want to know more as well. My celibacy quest isn’t going too well either. IM also loosing lots of energy through unneeded masturbation. Please help...

 

The approach is based in reverence/love for the goddess. One can start with simple sexual desire, and as long as it is combined with true respect and reverence, it is possible to make a connection to such a goddess. With the connection, ones (starting) sexual energy is directed to the “higher being”, that energy is then purified (refined) and returned. This purification loop incrementally raises the person higher, first moving into love and then higher into more oneness. Such purification loops are a natural male - female energy dynamic, just that it is much higher with a divine being ( buddhism has the similar concept with higher dakinis).

 

In your specific case, the approach is challenging as you have already laughed at it (showing a mental lack of respect/reverence).

[3bob]

what a bunch of sexual related bullshit advice is going down here!

 

Lightseeker, as long as you are looking into some of the Hindu/Vedic/Indian sources for information and direction, and if you really want to find some peace then I suggest  you look into (all of) the practices of yama and then niyama....they are the foundation that the beginner and also great Yoga adept stick to and never forget to practice, thus if one falls as is likely to happen now and then, a fall is not really a bad fall per-se but more like a reboot to the safe foundations of yama and niyama, thus not into the hell realms.

 

(minor edit made)

Edited September 7, 2018 by 3bob

[ilumairen]

6 minutes ago, 3bob said:

what a bunch of sexual related bullshit advice is going down here!

 

Lightseeker, as long as you are looking into some of the Hindu/Vedic/Indian sources for information and direction, and if you really want to find some peace then I suggest  you look into the practices of yama and then niyama....they are the foundation that the beginner and also great Yoga adept stick to and never forget to practice, thus if one falls as is likely to happen now and then, a fall is not really a bad fall per-se but more like a reboot to the safe foundations of yama and niyama, and not into the hell realms.

 

A short overview of yama and niyama:

 

https://kripalu.org/resources/yoga-s-ethical-guide-living-yamas-and-niyamas

[Jonesboy]

35 minutes ago, 3bob said:

what a bunch of sexual related bullshit advice is going down here!

 

Lightseeker, as long as you are looking into some of the Hindu/Vedic/Indian sources for information and direction, and if you really want to find some peace then I suggest  you look into (all of) the practices of yama and then niyama....they are the foundation that the beginner and also great Yoga adept stick to and never forget to practice, thus if one falls as is likely to happen now and then, a fall is not really a bad fall per-se but more like a reboot to the safe foundations of yama and niyama, thus not into the hell realms.

 

(minor edit made)

 

So asking for Divine help is BS advice?

 

Seems the OP is having trouble abstaining and is looking for guidance beyond just abstain.