Significance of the Wu-Liu Pai

[exorcist_1699]

Although someone here  argues about whether there  ever  existed  a school called Wu-Liu Pai , it doesn't bother me much for  Wu-liu writings are there, its actual figures' preaching are well recorded,  and its influence on  Taoism in recent centuries is  undeniable . Anyway , here  I would like to talk about its significance ,  which can be summarized as follows:

 

1) It is Wu-Liu  who declare  that once  we can stop  jing leakage , we can live forever. It sounds seemingly not that difficult  , but unless you know/ are told  of  some clues, it is  ,in fact,   something unlikely . Besides capable of  stopping and reversing aging, jing is also said to be the 'medicine' accumulated in  us to cure nearly all diseases;  

 

2) A stop of  jing leakage  is not only crucial to Taoist practice, but also to Buddhism, which  is hardly  mentioned by those Buddhists. From Wu-Liu's  point of view  , you can't  get  an enlightened  monk  with his jing keeps leaking . Even he does succeed on some  occasions  , definitely he can't  sustain  it for long.  That means, enough and  pure jing is the precondition for a yang-typed of Enlightenment , which  is different from  most  yin-typed meditations without Awakening ;  as a Taoist formula tells us what meditation should be   : "To the utmost of yin , yang pop-up "  ;  so  it is that  Awakening,  that yang arisen  from "chaos "  enables us  to live forever. 

 

3) Because of  the above-mentioned reasons , Wu-Liu   quote  a lot from Buddhist sutras , mainly  to emphasize  implicitly the importance  of a persistent mindlessness  followed with Awakening  ; since old  guys/women lack of that  essence to nourish IT ,  better start   your practice  young,  say before 60 . 

 

4) Capable of pulling together   a yang-typed , awaken Mind likely is something crucial to the Micro-cosmic circulation despite most people  prefer paying attention to  other things such as  how strong their feelings of qi  are... The  MCC can  not be guided  by a daily-type of consciousness , in fact, quite a lot of troubles arisen from MCC are  due practitioners' sticking to  their old way of thinking .

Giving us  lot of details for the MCC  that no other schools ever did is another contribution  of the Wu-Liu school.

 

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by exorcist_1699

[Taoist Texts]

19 minutes ago, exorcist_1699 said:

1) It is Wu-Liu  who declare  that once  we can stop  jing leakage , we can live forever.

This sounds very promising! But what is that jing exactly?

[MIchael80]

3 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

Although someone here  argues about whether there  ever  existed  a school called Wu-Liu Pai , it doesn't bother me much for  Wu-liu writings are there, its actual figures' preaching are well recorded,  and its influence on  Taoism in recent centuries is  undeniable . Anyway , here  I would like to talk about its significance ,  which can be summarized as follows:

 

1) It is Wu-Liu  who declare  that once  we can stop  jing leakage , we can live forever. It sounds seemingly not that difficult  , but unless you know/ are told  of  some clues, it is  ,in fact,   something unlikely . Besides capable of  stopping and reversing aging, jing is also said to be the 'medicine' accumulated in  us to cure nearly all diseases;  

 

2) A stop of  jing leakage  is not only crucial to Taoist practice, but also to Buddhism, which  is hardly  mentioned by those Buddhists. From Wu-Liu's  point of view  , you can't  get  an enlightened  monk  with his jing keeps leaking . Even he does succeed on some  occasions  , definitely he can't  sustain  it for long.  That means, enough and  pure jing is the precondition for a yang-typed of Enlightenment , which  is different from  most  yin-typed meditations without Awakening ;  as a Taoist formula tells us what meditation should be   : "To the utmost of yin , yang pop-up "  ;  so  it is that  Awakening,  that yang arisen  from "chaos "  enables us  to live forever. 

 

3) Because of  the above-mentioned reasons , Wu-Liu   quote  a lot from Buddhist sutras , mainly  to emphasize  implicitly the importance  of a persistent mindlessness  followed with Awakening  ; since old  guys/women lack of that  essence to nourish IT ,  better start   your practice  young,  say before 60 . 

 

4) Capable of pulling together   a yang-typed , awaken Mind likely is something crucial to the Micro-cosmic circulation despite most people  prefer paying attention to  other things such as  how strong their feelings of qi  are... The  MCC can  not be guided  by a daily-type of consciousness , in fact, quite a lot of troubles arisen from MCC are  due practitioners' sticking to  their old way of thinking .

Giving us  lot of details for the MCC  that no other schools ever did is another contribution  of the Wu-Liu school.

 

 

Great Text!

 

I think it is important to point out that there are other lineages that also state simiiar things. In fact i was in contact with a teacher of a not public longmen pai lineage and he stated the same things.

 

but it is important to note that wuliu etc talk about the pre-heaven jing and chi (yuan jing and chi) and not the post-heaven energies.

 

there are some sources that claim that buddhism also had jing replenishment and that boddhidarma taught it in what is now called "the bone marrow washing" principles. Damo Mitchell talks about that in his latest book. Rather than being certain movements these are principles and when used and developed they replenish jing.

 

Despite that there seem to be several schools in china which claim that they are wuliu pai and their methods seem to differ considerably from one another. Some being mostly sitting type, some mixed (sitting and movements) and others being mostly movements. And so in some there is great concern with jing leakage and in others it is not so important as the refilling mechanism is so powerful....that being said there are times when sex is forbidden.

 

i found that article quite interesting: http://qianfengdaoismuk.weebly.com/wu-liu-daoism-in-modern-china.html

 

All the best

[exorcist_1699]

22 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

This sounds very promising! But what is that jing exactly?

 

Just ordinary one  : -)

 

In Chinese , " 精神"  ( " jing- shen" )  is a fixed term  being used daily , which implicitly tells people  that  they are two things   closed related ;  it  ,in fact ,  implies    that once you have enough jing accumulated , your spirit will  be affected and upgraded , only   unnoticed by ordinary people ...

Edited September 26, 2018 by exorcist_1699

[Taoist Texts]

4 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

Just ordinary one  : -)

 

Ah, I see. Wait, i dont. What is it?

[MooNiNite]

On 9/25/2018 at 2:50 AM, MIchael80 said:

Damo Mitchell talks about that in his latest book. Rather than being certain movements these are principles and when used and developed they replenish jing.

 

Any summaries or insight about these principles? 

[MIchael80]

10 hours ago, MooNiNite said:

 

Any summaries or insight about these principles? 

Puhhh, will try my best.....i just read it one time and the book has over 500 pages.

 

The most important thing would be that it is not a specific set of movements but principles that need to be followed in order to come to that stage.

It can be incorporated into any qi gong system. But it needs hard work. It is actually a state one reaches after a long process. It starts with the sinew changing classic......to do qi gong in a way that the tendons etc. are engaged and also the huang (somehow similiar to the fascia within our body).

One lets the chi not just flow within the channels but also in the physical body and in it on ever deeper levels until it reaches the bone marrow and the marrow of the brain (skin depth, sinew depth, channel depth, viscera depth, marrow depth).

The body becomes conditioned into a qi gong body (every body part needs to be in the right alignment to move further). The chi triggers an effect and the marrow produces new jing.

 

to lead qi into the the marrow of the bones....to consolidate the jing to a higher level.....to purify the jing......to lead the jing to the brain.....to generate more jing.

 

hope that helps!

 

best

[exorcist_1699]

On 9/27/2018 at 4:52 PM, MIchael80 said:

Puhhh, will try my best.....i just read it one time and the book has over 500 pages.

 

The most important thing would be that it is not a specific set of movements but principles that need to be followed in order to come to that stage.

It can be incorporated into any qi gong system. But it needs hard work. It is actually a state one reaches after a long process. It starts with the sinew changing classic......to do qi gong in a way that the tendons etc. are engaged and also the huang (somehow similiar to the fascia within our body).

One lets the chi not just flow within the channels but also in the physical body and in it on ever deeper levels until it reaches the bone marrow and the marrow of the brain (skin depth, sinew depth, channel depth, viscera depth, marrow depth).

The body becomes conditioned into a qi gong body (every body part needs to be in the right alignment to move further). The chi triggers an effect and the marrow produces new jing.

 

to lead qi into the the marrow of the bones....to consolidate the jing to a higher level.....to purify the jing......to lead the jing to the brain.....to generate more jing.

 

hope that helps!

 

best

 

Feeling of heat , like boiling water ,  and glow down to the marrow level can be some criteria of judging how well people's  cultivation of jing and qi . The uplifted jing into brain  can upgrade people's  shen's  level , say  they  can now conversely use shen to polish their  jing's quality  :   "  神凝則精凝"  (" once   shen gathers ,  jing also consolidates " ) .  And , this is  the key / reason  of qigong  healing for many symptoms of diseases  , say  feeble knee , strange tumor , bad memory , deteriorated eyesight ..etc can be due to lack of jing .

Edited August 27 by exorcist_1699