Time and Qi

[exorcist_1699]

 

Time is  a strange dimension of our existence, supported by qi, and is  always important for  our cultivation. In Taoist alchemy, there are  at least 3 scenarios showing you  its significances :

1) At which  time you do your cultivation/meditation  does matter  :  It is no  exaggeration to claim that  in certain period of time, for example , from 3 am to 5 am, if  you  can wake up to cultivate , then it is many folds more effective than the cultivation  you do in other  periods  . And anyone who can sustain such a habit for a long time,  she definitely can  achieve something  great;

2) As "Rise of yang' or  ' Pop-up of a mindless Mind"  is  something always  happen  in a flash of second , if  you can't grasp it in that short instant, or  you  try to add to it any  extract idea,  it immediately disappear and escape from you ,making  resumption of  your practice  something laborious and discouraging.

 

3) After having succeeded in stopping   the leakage of  jing / your  periods  , the time of your existence start to 'stretch  ' , and it is no longer calculated by  decades or centuries  . In science,  a biological clock on molecular level does not necessary equal to a physical clock on sub-particle level , but in Taoist alchemy, we do not have to differentiate it  because a mindless Mind ( which strangely related to how full our  qi  is )  smashes our illusion toward  time ,  despite whatever level it is situated ,  and can end  its  physical effects on us . In this sense , hardly can Taoism agrees with the prevailing idea  of " Living well in the present  moment " as  a solution for troubles and sufferings in  our  seemingly short and unpredictable life for  no mind is the best mind,  no time is the best time.
 

Edited October 10, 2018 by exorcist_1699

[Marblehead]

Interesting.  Space/time and energy.  That's the universe.

 

Co-ordinating the flow of energy through space/time.

 

While timing may not be everything, it is very important.

 

 

[Fa Xin]

Taoism does not agree with living in the present moment?

 

Is there any other moment to live in?

Edited October 11, 2018 by Fa Xin

[Marblehead]

7 hours ago, Fa Xin said:

Taoism does not agree with living in the present moment?

 

Is there any other moment to live in?

Those questions weren't directed to me, were they?

 

[Fa Xin]

9 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

Those questions weren't directed to me, were they?

 

No, more towards the OP. 

[Marblehead]

2 minutes ago, Fa Xin said:

No, more towards the OP. 

Okay.  You know I try hard to never ignore anyone.

 

[Fa Xin]

5 hours ago, Marblehead said:

Okay.  You know I try hard to never ignore anyone.

 

 

You miss nothing... and I would be open to hearing others thoughts on the matter too 😊

[Nintendao]

13 hours ago, Fa Xin said:

Taoism does not agree with living in the present moment?

 

Is there any other moment to live in?

I was confused by this, too, until i just noticed the extra tag of "living in the present moment is a bullshit," haha! OP point #2 definitely seems to be in the spirit of embracing the infinite present, though.

 

Realistically, few contemporary practitioners have the luxury of jumping directly into a truly timeless existence, riding the winds of cosmic whimsy while the "real world" be damned. Arguably it's only due to a lack of courage to make an extreme leap of faith, but some things must be done delicately.

 

Time is a formidable force to be reckoned. Perhaps it is better transcended through mastery rather than dismissal.  Over all i found Exorcist's words very insightful and encouraging!

 

[Nintendao]

First trap to escape is one of too tightly coupling the measurement of time, with the actual experience of its passing. For example in point #1, is the significance of 3 a.m. moreso related to one's spatial location relative to the sun?

[OldDog]

On 10/9/2018 at 6:22 AM, exorcist_1699 said:

... from 3 am to 5 am ...

 

I have heard this before. It has to do with the various phases of energy during a daily cycle ... but the interval of time chosen for meditation/cultivation can produce different results. At least that is how I have understood it. Have also heard 5am to 7am recommended. 

 

On 10/9/2018 at 6:22 AM, exorcist_1699 said:

.... happen  in a flash of second ...

 

It is interesting that this is explicitely pointed out. It matches my experience ... limited though it be. Think about it ... how many times have you had a brief instance of clarity regarding some aspect of existence. Brief though it may be, if you can notice it and internalize it, the impact is profound ... and changes your self/world view. This is what I liken it to.

 

On 10/9/2018 at 6:22 AM, exorcist_1699 said:

... which strangely related to how full our  qi  is ...

 

The key point is relating time to qi movement. This seems to relate to the second point in OPs opening post. The flash of clarity ... while only a second ... has a timeless quality to it. So time would seem to be somewhat plastic, if understood in this manner. Note the distinction OP makes between biological clock ... physical clock. 

 

It might be useful to look at time from the point of view of the Yijing. While not typically thought of as a neidan text, it strongly relates the nature of time to change. If nothing else, helps break the typical notion of time existing independently of our experience.

 

For the scientific minded, the relativity of space/time is concept that demonstrates the plasticity/elasticity of time. 

 

Interesting stuff.

[exorcist_1699]

On 2018/10/11 at 11:27 AM, Fa Xin said:

Taoism does not agree with living in the present moment?

 

Is there any other moment to live in?

 

Shen or Buddha Mind is a Mind beyond evil and goodness ,  doing and not-doing,  this side and the other  side.. ;  of course, it is also a Mind  beyond time .

 

People   think that since they don't  know what disaster or fatal disease they might get in the future,  it seems better to  live  a so-called full life or  try to grasp something meaningful in the present moment  , and views it  as  some  solution for it  . 

 

However, as  the Diamond Sutra already told us  : " 過去心不可得, 現在心不可得 , 未來心不可得"

"Neither a mind attached to the past   , nor a mind attached to the present , nor a mind attached to the future, can be attained "

 

In fact ,   all pseudo-minds get their respective , illusory feelings of  time intervals .  A pseudo-mind is always fluctuating , intermittent  and limited, and it thinks that  those limitations are  real.  However,  it is only a  Mind  beyond the past, the present and the future, nourished from  nowhere and no time   that allows us to  have an ability of travelling across  those time barriers  ( similar to physical barriers , say a wall or  a hill in space , blocking our ordinary eyesight, but  not our  3rd-eye ) , and  go straight to grasp what time is.

Wisdom got  from  those pseudo-minds is  shallow and unable to solve  our  life predicament, which if expressed  in  existentialist term , is something of  our ontological   crisis  :  Death or detachment from God  ; if expressed in Taoist term  , is a post-heavenly status   symbolized as   fire ( spirit) having  no intercourse with water  (jing) .  We are always entangled  by daily trivial ,   mistake what is crucial and refuse to face it . " Living in the present moment" in most cases degenerates into engagement with daily trivial. 

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by exorcist_1699

[exorcist_1699]

On 2018/10/12 at 1:10 AM, Nintendao said:

 

Time is a formidable force to be reckoned. Perhaps it is better transcended through mastery rather than dismissal.  Over all i found Exorcist's words very insightful and encouraging!

 

 

Thanks a lot  .

[Fa Xin]

46 minutes ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

Shen or Buddha Mind is a Mind beyond evil and goodness ,  doing and not-doing,  this side and the other  side.. ;  of course, it is also a Mind  beyond time .

 

People   think that since they don't  know what disaster or fatal disease they might get in the future,  it seems better to  live  a so-called full life or  try to grasp something meaningful in the present moment  , and views it  as  some  solution for it  . That means  they are occupied by  those scenarios and  duration , thinking  that some plans    can help them  out of those  predicaments ,   at least  bring them some kind of victory, no matter how minor it is . 

 

However, as  the Diamond Sutra already told us  : " 過去心不可得, 現在心不可得 , 未來心不可得"

"Neither a mind attached to the past   , nor a mind attached to the present , nor a mind attached to the future, can be attained "

 

In fact ,   all pseudo-minds get their respective , illusory feelings of  time intervals .  A pseudo-mind is always fluctuating , separated and limited, and it thinks that  those limitations are  real.  However,  it is only a  Mind  beyond the past, the present and the future, nourished from  nowhere and no time   that allows us to  have an ability of travelling across  those time barriers  ( similar to physical barriers , say a wall or  a hill in space , blocking our ordinary eyesight, but  not our  3rd-eye ) , and  go straight to grasp what time is.

Wisdom got  from  those pseudo-minds is  shallow and unable to solve  our  life predicament, which if expressed  in  existentialist term , is something of  our ontological   crisis  :  Death or detachment from God  ; if viewed from  Taoist point of view  ,is a post-heavenly situation  symbolized by     trigram  Qian  degenerated to become   Li   and Kun degenerated to become kan ;    we are always confused by daily trivial ,   mistake what is crucial and refuse to face it .

 

From Buddhist perspective ,  it can be  an  "境 "  ('scenario' )  vs  '心'  ('mind ') issue , say ,which one is the fundamental ? Faced with  troubles and sufferings   in  our life , should  we make most effort in getting  rid of those  ever-changing problems,  or should we make every effort in getting  rid of our pseudo-mind , thoroughly change  it to become one unaffected by those troubles , one  free of those time illusions,  and one  capable  of foretelling those coming  troubles and  knowing where they end ?

 

 

Thanks for your post. I understand what your getting at now. 😊

Edited October 13, 2018 by Fa Xin

[voidisyinyang]

On 10/9/2018 at 6:22 AM, exorcist_1699 said:

 

2) As "Rise of yang' or  ' Pop-up of a mindless Mind"  is  something always  happen  in a flash of second , if  you can't grasp it in that short instant, or  you  try to add to it any  extract idea,  it immediately disappear and escape from you ,making  resumption of  your practice  something laborious and discouraging.

 

Yang qi is actually time from the future as blue-shifted light (due to a spacetime phase shift, called a "phononic field.")

So Shen is our spiritual ego as the experience of time. The Yuan Qi is then the universal rest frame of zero/infinite time as the 5th dimension, including precognition as the future and the ability to heal the past. So with our eyes open, then heaven is not harmonized with earth, unless the light is turned around and the third eye is activated. Science has proven now that spacetime is curved at only 2 centimeters - the size of the third eye pineal gland. So then light has a superluminal internal phonon energy (Yuan Qi) that is a higher frequency as reverse time, with a negative frequency value, relative to external time (that is experienced to slow down). So then a receiver of yuan qi will experience conversely, internal time slowing down as a red shift of great heat and bliss (so that their past blockages are now healed). For the receiver of the yuan qi then external time appears to speed up.

[voidisyinyang]

On 10/9/2018 at 6:22 AM, exorcist_1699 said:

 

Time is  a strange dimension of our existence, supported by qi, and is  always important for  our cultivation. In Taoist alchemy, there are  at least 3 scenarios showing you  its significances :

1) At which  time you do your cultivation/meditation  does matter  :  It is no  exaggeration to claim that  in certain period of time, for example , from 3 am to 5 am, if  you  can wake up to cultivate , then it is many folds more effective than the cultivation  you do in other  periods  . And anyone who can sustain such a habit for a long time,  she definitely can  achieve something  great;

 

 

p. 100, Foundations of Internal Alchemy, by Wang Mu

Quote

According to the principles of alchemy, between the stages of "refining Essence to transmute it into Breath" and "refining Breath to transmute it into Spirit" there is an intermediate stage. At that time, the Internal Medicine and the External Medicine coagulate with one another. First, by means of the external cycling of the Celestial Circuit, one accumulates the External Medicine; then, through the operation of Spirit, the External Medicine is moved to the lower Cinnabar Field and rapidly generates the Internal Medicine. When the Internal and the External Medicines coagulate and coalesce together in the lower Cinnabar Field, the form the Great Medicine (dayao). This is the so-called "mother of the Elixir" (danmu). After a further refining of seven days, which is called "entering the enclosure" (ruhuan), it forms the Embryo of Sainthood (shengtai), also called the Infant (ying'er). "Entering the enclosure" is also called "barrier of sitting" (zuoguan); in Buddhism, it is called "confinement" (biguan).

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 10/9/2018 at 6:22 AM, exorcist_1699 said:

 

3) After having succeeded in stopping   the leakage of  jing / your  periods  , the time of your existence start to 'stretch  ' , and it is no longer calculated by  decades or centuries  . In science,  a biological clock on molecular level does not necessary equal to a physical clock on sub-particle level , but in Taoist alchemy, we do not have to differentiate it  because a mindless Mind ( which strangely related to how full our  qi  is )  smashes our illusion toward  time ,  despite whatever level it is situated ,  and can end  its  physical effects on us . In this sense , hardly can Taoism agrees with the prevailing idea  of " Living well in the present  moment " as  a solution for troubles and sufferings in  our  seemingly short and unpredictable life for  no mind is the best mind,  no time is the best time.
 

 

So science has now proven that light has an internal spin as a magnetic momentum that is superluminal - from the future - as a chirality (handedness) of spacetime itself. So this spin causes a blue shift of light that "diverges" from the external light as matter (with gravitational or inertial mass) as a red light shift. So the more we meditate then we resonate the blue light from the future - as Yuan Qi which is harmonized with the red light (the jing as the lower tan t'ien). This is why 6 hours of full lotus meditation for a year (while not losing energy) will restore the Yuan Jing of a middle age male back to a 16 year old, according to Daoist master Wang Liping.

[Boundlesscostfairy]

The way of life is through energy..

 

You know the dharma, it talks allot..

 

What is karma other than that which we are doing?

 

The way is tao.. and it is true!

 

The window of oppourtinity is the window of Zen!

 

The reaches of the farthest things all come from an icy grip..

 

And to poison that by way of fire.. is water in the temporal meditation!

 

Temporal meditation is made to be work.. and yet it is not work!

 

The easier going way is with chapters and verses..

 

But there is as well.. a higher notion of life.. (●The Zohar)

 

Each of us is noticeable differences..

 

Determinism is true about cause and effect!

 

Reason is a determination via a window of novelty.. Which is where we are all going..!

 

Textures are worn for a reason! Your clear and plainly true!

 

Each disciple is a having device that needs to be honoured!

 

Relentless truth.. is easier in ideal, rather than necesary anarchy/hirearchy..

 

Relentless searching is true.. and is shown through a straight and curved path in a maze!

 

Relentless truth is true and is the way of the warrior!

 

Elena is more beautiful than beauty it self.. Same with Margaret Long..each long thing and short thing is true..to be able to distinguish is true!

 

Aeon flux is about fractals.. 1/0 price cost odds.. an allowance of the truth is like a river... via that rapids which are particles vibrating in time. An ointcloth is both for Yeshua and Yaweh! All things are healed through The Knowledge of Yaweh.

 

Marcel Proust

 

[Marblehead]

7 minutes ago, Boundlesscostfairy said:

Determinism is true about cause and effect!

Interesting thought.  Can be viewed from various perspectives.

 

[exorcist_1699]

On 2018/10/12 at 8:31 PM, OldDog said:

 

 

.....The flash of clarity ... while only a second ... has a timeless quality to it. So time would seem to be somewhat plastic, if understood in this manner. Note the distinction OP makes between biological clock ... physical clock. 

 

 

 

 

You really grasp what I want to say .  We no longer have to travel close to the speed of light or being situated in another , different gravitational field so as to change the time of our  existence , qi  as media will allow us..;

there is time dilation between ordinary people and immortals ,  in fact , once we are able to stop Jing leakage it starts to tick slower , whether it is on biological level or physical level seems no need to differentiate ,  maybe on both .

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by exorcist_1699