The Brexit Thread

[Apech]

So its on then :

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/16/no-10-denies-making-plans-for-second-brexit-referendum

 

[Patrick Brown]

7 minutes ago, Apech said:

So its on then :

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/16/no-10-denies-making-plans-for-second-brexit-referendum

 

Well maybe. I did suggest this could have been May's  plan as I said people will want what they can't have so every time she said we won't be having another referendum she was dangling a carrot! It of course hinges on what the choices are.

 

In other news the Swiss have OK'ed a trade deal with us so that's kinda interesting. 

Edited December 16, 2018 by Patrick Brown

[Apech]

1 minute ago, Patrick Brown said:

Well maybe. I did suggest this could have been May's  plan as I said people will want what they can't have so every time she said we won't be having another referendum she was dangling a carrot! It of course hinges on what the choices are.

 

In other news the Swiss have OK'ed a trade deal with us so that's kinda interesting. 

 

 

Cheap cuckoo clocks and chocolate

[Patrick Brown]

1 minute ago, Apech said:

 

 

Cheap cuckoo clocks and chocolate

Well and a bit of dodgy banking! Oh and cheese.  

Edited December 16, 2018 by Patrick Brown
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[Chang]

If my fears are confirmed and we have a second referendum then the questions posed will be all important.

 

I suspect, considering the monumental incompetence shown so far and the divisions both in government and the U.K. in general, that there will be a muddle of complex choices and one simple choice.

 

"Remain as full members of the E.U."

 

The dispirited electorate will either stay away or vote remain and the Remainers will have it.

 

Following the referendum Drip May will stand down and a new Tory Prime Minister will take office on the lead up to the General Election which will be called early. The result of that election will be a Corbynista government which will plunge the already dispirited country into immediate chaos with the rise of far right groups both in the U.K. and throughout Europe.

[Apech]

7 minutes ago, Chang said:

If my fears are confirmed and we have a second referendum then the questions posed will be all important.

 

I suspect, considering the monumental incompetence shown so far and the divisions both in government and the U.K. in general, that there will be a muddle of complex choices and one simple choice.

 

"Remain as full members of the E.U."

 

The dispirited electorate will either stay away or vote remain and the Remainers will have it.

 

Following the referendum Drip May will stand down and a new Tory Prime Minister will take office on the lead up to the General Election which will be called early. The result of that election will be a Corbynista government which will plunge the already dispirited country into immediate chaos with the rise of far right groups both in the U.K. and throughout Europe.

 

 

Will these groups be far right of you, Chang?  Should we worry

[Patrick Brown]

Well if the choice isn't black and white the sales of yellow jackets will rocket! 

[Chang]

46 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

Will these groups be far right of you, Chang?  Should we worry

 

We are all mortal men, doomed to die Apech so for all of us the worse case scenario is only a matter of time. No need for worry and we should aim to die with a smile on our lips.

 

The rise of the Right was an inevitable consequence of Left Wing Liberalism, Marxism and Feminism. It can be seen as a balance which tips first one way and then the other. For years many the Left have posed as anti establishment but the fact is that they have now become the establishment and are ripe to be toppled.

 

Plenty of laughs to be had when it all starts.

Edited December 16, 2018 by Chang

[Patrick Brown]

1 hour ago, Chang said:

The rise of the Right was an inevitable consequence of Left Wing Liberalism, Marxism and Feminism. It can be seen as a balance which tips first one way and then the other. For years many the Left have posed as anti establishment but the fact is that they have now become the establishment and are ripe to be toppled.

 

Plenty of laughs to be had when it all starts.

Edited 1 hour ago by Chang

Unfortunately I think you've got a point there! Oh well death might be nicer if not as much fun! 

[Miffymog]

Currently, May keeps on dragging her feet and ruling out all other options other than her deal.

 

She'll hold the vote on her deal as late as possible and when it gets voted down, she'll probably just say, 'oh, I'll go off to the EU and get some more concessions'.

 

These wont come, but her plans are just to hold another vote on her deal even closer to the deadline hoping more MP's are forced to her side.

 

The simple fact is that the DUP will support the government if Labour hold vote of no confidence, so Labour just don't have the numbers to do this yet.

 

And May has already beaten the vote of no confidence against her by her own party.

 

Nicola Sturgeon is really annoyed that the DUP hold so much power at the moment compared to the Scottish MP's but that's the way it is.

 

It's kind of up to the DUP what happens now ... or immediately after the vote ...

 

 

[Patrick Brown]

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Downing Street has said the government is about to escalate planning for a no-deal Brexit. 

 

Hmm, doesn't really mean anything but I'd like to think they are 'seriously' escalating planning for a no-deal Brexit! If we did leave with no deal we need some kind of plan and there needs to be some preparation. Be really good for us 'no dealers' to get a few more countries signing trade agreements with us, like the Swiss have done. 

[Patrick Brown]

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Planning for a no-deal Brexit is expected to be ramped up this week with up to £2bn to be allocated to government departments after the cabinet signs off on the contingency plans at its weekly meeting on Tuesday.

Theresa May wants the increasingly serious no-deal preparations to dominate the Brexit discussion at cabinet, even though ministers worried about the stalled negotiations with Brussels are openly canvassing alternatives.

The prime minister’s official spokesman said there would be an announcement “shortly” about spending the Treasury’s £2bn contingency fund, and insiders indicated that would happen later this week after Tuesday’s meeting.

 

Downing Street was forced to insist that collective cabinet responsibility had not broken down after a string of ministers advocated either holding a series of Commons votes on a range of Brexit options or pushing for a “managed no deal”.

May’s official spokesman later told a Westminster media briefing that there were no plans to stage indicative votes on a range of Brexit options, including a second referendum, should May’s deal fail.

On Monday morning, the business secretary, Greg Clark, said if May’s deal did not pass “parliament should be invited to say what it would agree with”. He said in such a situation MPs should “take responsibility, rather than just be critics”.

The indicative vote idea is likely to be raised at cabinet, even though May ruled it out in the cabinet conference call held last Monday.

But insiders warned that a series of votes would inevitably be “a messy process” because parliament would have to agree on the procedure used, and each of the votes could in turn be subject to amendment.

Meanwhile, the foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, and the home secretary, Sajid Javid, both talked up a “managed no-deal” scenario should May’s negotiations collapse, where the UK would pay half of the £39bn owed, and quit the EU on World Trade Organization terms, starting after March 2019.

Downing Street, however, argued that the EU would not negotiate with the UK on that basis, and it was therefore impossible to achieve. Regarding no deal, the spokesman added: “The position they have set out there would not be discussions until after March 29.”

When Dominic Raab was Brexit secretary, he tried repeatedly to try to discuss a “managed no deal” with his EU counterparts, but was given short shrift, Whitehall sources added.

Downing Street said all cabinet ministers were united behind May’s deal. They had all stated “their commitment to getting the deal the PM has negotiated with Brussels through the House of Commons”, the PM’s spokesman said.

No 10 said talks were continuing between British and EU officials in an attempt to break the Brexit impasse after a difficult EU summit, in which May failed to persuade the EU to make a legally binding commitment to a date when future free trade deal would commence.

The idea was to provide a firm end date to the unpopular Irish backstop, which has been insisted upon by the EU as an insurance policy to avoid the return of a hard border in Ireland, but is the main reason for Tory MPs opposing May’s deal.

May hopes to secure additional clarifications or reassurances about the backstop over the next few weeks, before staging the meaningful vote to approve the Brexit deal in January, before the 21st of the month. Downing Street hopes rebellious Tory MPs will “calm down” over the Christmas period, and come round to the merits of May’s deal after considering realistically what the alternatives are.

Hard Brexiters and the Democratic Unionist party, which props up May’s government, say the customs backstop would, if enacted after the end of the post-Brexit transition period, leave the UK tied to the EU in a relationship that Britain could not easily escape.

 

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/17/theresa-may-pushes-forward-2bn-no-deal-brexit-preparations

 

[Patrick Brown]

Strangely May is helping the leave camp as watching her on Sky News she consistently rebuffs requests for a second referendum even when she's knows her deal wont get the vote! Be interesting to see how this unfolds as the remainers seem to think that if they keep asking for a second chance they will get it. It's all rather childish really!

 

So if May can't get the deal renegotiated, which is very unlikely, it seems that we'll be leaving without a deal. I really hope so just to piss off all these lying political scum suckers. It really does give me the shits!  

[Patrick Brown]

 

[Miffymog]

Ooooooo, where is this going?

 

May is banging on about it being hard brexit or her deal in a desperate attempt to force MP's to vote for her deal.

 

Labour's bluff has been called and she's heading off a challenge from them due to the support of the DUP.

 

There's no change now until the vote - then how will the factions group together  ... ?

[Apech]

12 minutes ago, Miffymog said:

Ooooooo, where is this going?

 

May is banging on about it being hard brexit or her deal in a desperate attempt to force MP's to vote for her deal.

 

Labour's bluff has been called and she's heading off a challenge from them due to the support of the DUP.

 

There's no change now until the vote - then how will the factions group together  ... ?

 

 

i suppose Corbyn is going to say that those Tories who voted against May in the Conservative vote of confidence should vote with him now.  But I doubt if they will.  I still predict a referendum on 'May's Deal vs. No deal'.

 

 

[Patrick Brown]

Well any talk of a no-deal exit by May is good as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully the Brexit camp will be taken seriously by the media and help people understand that a no-deal exit is nothing to be feared. 

[rideforever]

Last week somebody was saying it's gonna be £7 to get a 3 year document allowing access to Europe.
Well I was imagining a kiosk at the airport where you get one, just scan passport on scanner, then card payment of £7, and out pops little card.  3 minutes, kiosks at all ports.

And I think that's where we all gonna be after this party comes to an end.   Minus however many heartattacks you indulged in on the way !!!

In fact it's apparently modelled on ESTAS forms for the US which seem to have kiosks at airports :

 

 

Edited December 18, 2018 by rideforever

[Patrick Brown]

Protests in Hungry

 

 

[Patrick Brown]

 

[Chang]

As a point of interest these are anti government protests rather than anti E.U. protests.

 

The European Union cares little for national governments other than that they tow the line.

[rideforever]

Secret Migration Agenda

 

http://flux.md/stiri/friederike-beck-secret-migration-agenda

[rideforever]

Truth about banking

 

 

[Chang]

Amber Rudd the Secretary of State for Works and Pensions has been busy dropping sound bites regarding the possible need for a second referendum.

 

Rudd is a Remainiac who at the same time as fighting to remain within the E.U. has supported U.K. fishing rights (which are pretty much non existent if we remain within the E.U.). The reason for this is that her constituency is Hastings, which is a fishing port. The hypocricy of her kind is beyond belief. It should also be noted that she is a political incompetent who was removed from her post as Home Secretary after a series of blunders only to wheedle her way back into high office.

[Patrick Brown]

Live stream from Paris, much bigger turn out this week.