The Brexit Thread

[Patrick Brown]

Let me help you:

[Apech]

4 hours ago, Patrick Brown said:

Let me help you:

 

I assumed you'd vote for the World Socialist Movement.

[Patrick Brown]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

I assumed you'd vote for the World Socialist Movement.

I voted to leave the EU and perhaps even democracy! 

 

EDIT: That didn't come out right but you know what I mean. 

Edited May 16, 2019 by Patrick Brown

[joeblast]

another reason for not only brexit, but perhaps something a little more

 

https://larouchepac.com/20190110/part-i-british-role-coup-against-president-now-exposed-will-you-act-now-save-nation

[Chang]

Election Day.

[Apech]

5 hours ago, Chang said:

Election Day.

 

 

Tories in free-fall.

Labour in the doldrums.

[Apech]

So ... May is going.  But what will her replacement do any different I wonder.

 

 

[Chang]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

So ... May is going.  But what will her replacement do any different I wonder.

 

 

 

Mays catalogue of errors was so great it is difficult to know just where to begin. The greatest was most probably the first, calling a General Election in the hope of increasing her majority in parliament and thereby allowing her to bulldoze through her version of Brexit.

 

She then ran a lacklustre campaign which reduced rather than increased her majority in parliament. She really was the drip to end all drips.

 

It will be interesting to see the E.U. Election results on Sunday. Tory representation in the E.U. Parliament will probably be pretty much non existent with the Brexit Party carrying the day. The problem is that the Remainiacs would be quite happy to see every U.K. M.E.P. being from Brexit so long as we remain withing the European Union, such is their perverted mindset.

 

As for the future of the Conservatives things do not look good at all. The General Election, which at the start of all this looked so far away, is now less than three years hence - perhaps sooner if the Government collapses. This could be prompted by Tory m.p.'s going over to the Brexit Party, who have already stated their intention of fighting that election.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2019 by Chang

[rideforever]

May was so pukeworthy this morning, doing her victimy "think of the children" at the podium. 

How can a fearful victim negotiate !!  It's a joke. 
How far can you pull down your pants and not ... who cares.

 

For my money Raab (solid black belt), Steve Baker (solid practical), Leadsom (nice pair of policiies) .... it's a good group to lead.

Bojo it's hard to see how he would not divide everyone, but in another world I like his enthusiasm.

 

 

 

The plan - called the The Malthouse Compromise after Kit Malthouse - would lead to Britain leaving the EU "on time and with a functioning government", former Brexit minster Steve Baker said.

Said to be drawn up by Nicky Morgan and supported by others, the plan reportedly "provides for exit from the EU on time with a new backstop, which would be acceptable indefinitely, but which incentivises us all to reach a new future relationship".

It would extend the transition period - the period where the UK would continue to follow EU rules and pay into its budget - from the end of 2020 and into December 2021.

This would "allow both parties to prepare properly for World Trade Organisation terms, but also provide a period in which the parties could obviate this outcome by negotiating a mutually beneficial future relationship".

The compromise recasts the backstop as a "free trade agreement-lite", with a commitment on all sides there should be no hard border.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2019 by rideforever

[Patrick Brown]

Just a passing comment: May was a puppet and a blatant traitor of the British people, we just want to leave the EU ASAP as all the rhetoric has just become noise. If the Conservatives don't choose to leave on WTO (article 24) then they are finished. As for Labour they are crippled and are simply clinging to the institutionalised lower class vote which is fading fast. Of course all the minority groups have been indoctrinated into the mind-warp of a neutered Labour Party so their next leader will probably be a transgender African which couldn't be any worse than it currently is. Chukka may have missed his opportunity as Labour leader but could still make the short list for "Precilla Queen of the Desert 2 - Cucked and Proud"!  

Am I the only one that suspects gay-boy married a women to further his career? Change UK, indeed!!! 

 

I hope all the new anti EU MEP's that get seats on Sunday simply boycott the EU and say FU EU! Be amusing to see the EU parliament sit with the place half empty!!! Farage is on a roll and could seriously end up being PM in a year or so although I honestly don't think he wants to be. If Mogg bit-the-bullet and defected to the Brexit Party he would be the next PM but of course that will never happen. Is his sister a spy?    

 

Hey at least something is happening and it will be fun to see the growth of the Brexit Party.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Patrick Brown

[joeblast]

On 5/24/2019 at 7:45 AM, Apech said:

So ... May is going.  But what will her replacement do any different I wonder.

 

 

guess that depends on how the revelations that your leaders were helping undermine the 2016 usa election are taken

[rideforever]

Here's a question is it actually possible to leave on WTO, if say Raab gets in ?
Or doesn't it have to go through parliament where I suppose if all Tory + UUP vote for it, it would scrape through ?

[Apech]

44 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Here's a question is it actually possible to leave on WTO, if say Raab gets in ?
Or doesn't it have to go through parliament where I suppose if all Tory + UUP vote for it, it would scrape through ?

 

 

They've previously voted against no-deal.

[Apech]

1 hour ago, joeblast said:

guess that depends on how the revelations that your leaders were helping undermine the 2016 usa election are taken

 

... someone has to tell Americans what to think

[Patrick Brown]

37 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Here's a question is it actually possible to leave on WTO, if say Raab gets in ?
Or doesn't it have to go through parliament where I suppose if all Tory + UUP vote for it, it would scrape through ?

 

Think the PM does have the power to push a deal through against the will of parliament but not a no deal, I might be wrong on that but Chang or Apec will probably know either way. Leaving on WTO but using their article 24 might be possible but the EU would have to agree and they probably wouldn't so the only real way to get a no deal exit is to get the Brexit Party in power where we would expect every MP to vote for a no deal exit i.e. WTO.

 

Of course if the EU still decide not to sign up to article 24 of the WTO rules then it'll probably be a trade war, including financial services, that would destroy the EU. I think the EU would agree to article 24 if the Brexit Party got into power but then the Brexit Party might have decided to simple ignore the EU and destroy them anyway!!!! 

[Apech]

11 minutes ago, Patrick Brown said:

 

Think the PM does have the power to push a deal through against the will of parliament but not a no deal, I might be wrong on that but Chang or Apec will probably know either way. Leaving on WTO but using their article 24 might be possible but the EU would have to agree and they probably wouldn't so the only real way to get a no deal exit is to get the Brexit Party in power where we would expect every MP to vote for a no deal exit i.e. WTO.

 

Of course if the EU still decide not to sign up to article 24 of the WTO rules then it'll probably be a trade war, including financial services, that would destroy the EU. I think the EU would agree to article 24 if the Brexit Party got into power but then the Brexit Party might have decided to simple ignore the EU and destroy them anyway!!!! 

 

Parliament has already passed legislation which means they have to approve any deal - which is why May's deal got knocked back three times.  I would guess that in the event of no-deal the UK would offer tariff free trade and the EU would have to decide whether to do the same.  One thing that tends to get overlooked is that France, Germany and so on won't be trading partners in any sense but in many ways will be competitors.  Also the US will be sniffing around to see if they can cherry pick any business from both the UK and Europe in the event of economic weakness.  So there's a lot of global factors at play - which is I think at the heart of May's cack handed attempt to keep close ties.

 

I'm not sure why you think we could destroy the EU.  Perhaps of course things will look quite different after tonight/tomorrow if there is a big nationalist vote in many countries which would weaken the EU considerably to the point where they be fearful of loosing power in their own countries be forced to be more flexible with the UK.  I won't mention the remain and reform option cos Chang's blood will boil over

 

 

 

[rideforever]

Just read up on it.

The vote against a no-deal is non binding and was lost by about 43 votes.

Legally in October we leave and if nothing else happens we leave with no deal.

 

So I think the PM would have to be very strong in their will, which rules out quite a lot of them.

Malthouse A or B ; seems to be a way forward but seems to require EU to agree.

The A version involves no hard border and an invisible border.

 

I was thinking this is possible technologically. 

One way is to have large trucks pass through a toll gate with an xray machine, and they would have to slow down but not be stopped.   

Then they can drive on ... unless the xray picks up 500 migrants in the back.

Plus every 50 cars / vans would be stopped from time to time ... like in Switzerland's borders.   And the rest is done with intelligence.

Plus on the open land you can use UAV, or satellite tracking.   Any group crossing the border are stopped by border patrol which would be a small new force in trucks and helicopters.

And any farmers who regularly cross the border can have a credit card with a transponder so the satellite will know it is farmer O'Reilly with his 50 head of cattle.

So no hard border.

A new satellite would be £50m off the shelf apparently if necessary, which is fine ... remember we are paying £40BN to the fascists.

 

I am sending that to Boris Johnson by email.

 

So I believe we are looking at negotiating MaltA if not MaltB if not push through.

 

 

[Patrick Brown]

I think most people accept that the EU will probably fall apart very quickly once we've left. How quickly and how gracefully the EU fades is a choice only they can make and I feel they won't go without some major chaos. If a reasonable deal had been struck the EU might have given themselves more time but their arrogance might be their undoing literally! 

[Patrick Brown]

The only problem with the malthouse idea is the EU have constantly said negotiations are closed. With the Brexit Party insisting the way forward is WTO Article 24 or just WTO (no deal hard Brexit) I don't think the public will be convinced by the Mogg deal. I don't trust any MP's to speak the truth anymore apart from a select few hardcore Brexiteers. 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Patrick Brown

[Stosh]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

... someone has to tell Americans what to think

We think we will all have to ,, see how events unroll. 

We will have an election , and y'all have an exit to materialize. ..

In the face of corrupt authority ,and brazen stupidity of our compatriots.

[rideforever]

Euro election poll results come out at 10pm don't they ?

I do hope the Brexit party goes to the parliament and absolute wrecks the place causing havoc at every single vote and meetng and just filibuster the place until its on its knees !!!!

[Patrick Brown]

See the results come in live here:

 

[rideforever]

Another thing is, say ... the EU refuses to negotiate on Malthouse, then that leaves wto exit ... i.e. just do nothing and let the law carry forth in October.

Well Hammond the rat said that some remainer Tories would bring down their own leader and refuse participation in a wto exit.  Problem with that is that at a GE the Brexit party would become the opposition and the Tories would no longer exist, certainly they would lose power.   

So I believe that if the death of the Conservatives is on the cards, then BoJo or Raab or whoever would have a strong justification for leaving on WTO especially if in the leadership race they put it front and centre.

[Patrick Brown]

10 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Another thing is, say ... the EU refuses to negotiate on Malthouse, then that leaves wto exit ... i.e. just do nothing and let the law carry forth in October.

Well Hammond the rat said that some remainer Tories would bring down their own leader and refuse participation in a wto exit.  Problem with that is that at a GE the Brexit party would become the opposition and the Tories would no longer exist, certainly they would lose power.   

So I believe that if the death of the Conservatives is on the cards, then BoJo or Raab or whoever would have a strong justification for leaving on WTO especially if in the leadership race they put it front and centre.

 

Yes very true but has faith in the conservatives been damaged beyond repair? The whole thing about the Brexit Party is that it's saying all the other parties are corrupt and a massive change is needed. I tend to agree! 

[Apech]

13 hours ago, Patrick Brown said:

 

Yes very true but has faith in the conservatives been damaged beyond repair? The whole thing about the Brexit Party is that it's saying all the other parties are corrupt and a massive change is needed. I tend to agree! 

 

The Brexit party isn't (yet) a party of government as it has no policies apart from Brexit - and contains MEPs who come from right and left - what unifies them is Brexit.  So unless this changes I don't see it being anything other than a lobby for WTO No deal.  If you look at the results the only area where Brexit Party didn't come first is London - which highlights the national divide and the Westminster bubble effect.  England is literally like a person whose head is disconnected from its body, left like this we will rip ourselves apart.