The Brexit Thread

[Chang]

10 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

But is Boris really a star?

 

He is certainly the most charismatic though hardly the most competent figure in British politics at the moment. In this age of celebrity that will carry him far.

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Chang said:

 

He is certainly the most charismatic though hardly the most competent figure in British politics at the moment. In this age of celebrity that will carry him far.

 

 

But...BUT...shock horror - he had a row with his girlfriend - there was shouting!

[Chang]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

But...BUT...shock horror - he had a row with his girlfriend - there was shouting!

 

Most politico's have feet of clay. When Jeremy Corbyn left his first wife and was carrying on a torrid affair with the delectable Diane Abbott he would invite friends around to his flat and leave the bedroom door open so that they could glimpse her draped naken across his squalid bed. Compared to this the antics of Boris are but small beer.

[pegasus1992]

On 6/22/2019 at 5:30 PM, Chang said:

 

Things are indeed dire but do not write us off yet. Our star shines brighter as the night darkens.

 

I mean no disrespect but ever since Brexit was triggered without any inclination as to the reprecussions, I have lost total faith in any UK politics...It was one thing to vote for it...this is understandable....but to trigger it without the slightest idea of the issues it would cause was the most idiotic thing I've seen in politics.....The people shouldn't have allowed that

 

What's even worse...there was plenty of viable options the UK could have taken...such as a staged exit....something like EU - Norway model - separation with agreement over a given period....this would have given ample time to work out the finer points..without having all sorts of chaos in the meantime

 

The politicians there are unfit for parliament

[Patrick Brown]

Well I've now had two YouTube accounts deleted without reason for pointing out that the Labour Party are racist, pro Muslim, pro paedophilia, anti white, oh and up to electoral fraud ! As far as I'm concerned Labour and the Conservatives are done as they are both incompetent and corrupt to the core. 

 

The only hope for an EU exit is Farage and the Brexit Party. 

[Patrick Brown]

And for those that are not aware of the tinkering going on with the online world you need to watch this:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/

 

Big Tech are colluding with the communist left and the globalists to sway popular opinion. Yes nothing new but people really are oblivious to how they are being manipulated.  

 

Google's days are numbered and non corporate mobile phone software will be with us very soon. Microsoft are giving away Windows 10 but to no avail as more people move to Linux. YouTube are dominating the video commentary sphere but as a Google company their power will decline just as other online companies such as Twitter, FB and Instagram have all been seen to wither very quickly since their biased censorship has been made apparent. YouTube know what's coming which is why they are going down the Netflix road. 

 

[pegasus1992]

On 6/25/2019 at 9:47 AM, Patrick Brown said:

Well I've now had two YouTube accounts deleted without reason for pointing out that the Labour Party are racist, pro Muslim, pro paedophilia, anti white, oh and up to electoral fraud ! As far as I'm concerned Labour and the Conservatives are done as they are both incompetent and corrupt to the core. 

 

The only hope for an EU exit is Farage and the Brexit Party. 

 

You think he's any better? He's just as bad as the other two...actually, he's worse.

 

The problem with Brexit is that you have governments trying to undo 46 years of integration in 3....it is a fruitless affair....the amount of operations taking place in the UK contingent upon the pillars of the EU is simply to great. It is impossible to do this in both a fast and correct manner simultaneously......what should have been a decade long (minimum) exit is being condensed to satisfy this unfounded sense of "nationalism" that slightly more than half the people seemed to have (in 2016).

 

The only hope for this to be smooth was to do a staggered exit, whereby the UK slowly unwinded to a position that was better for them...that was absolutely thrown out the window when parliament voted down the alternatives ( nobody said these had to be permanent) despite the fact there was no plans in place.

 

Perhaps most ironic of all, is that year on year the demographic changes, and more people want to remain than leave..( the youth embrace travel, open borders and multiculturalism) so there's absolutely nothing to say that in twenty or thirty years this wont be reversed...that is, if it even happens in the first place

[Patrick Brown]

You're probably right which means absolute chaos is coming. 

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Patrick Brown said:

You're probably right which means absolute chaos is coming. 

 

Don't sound so happy about it.

 

 

[rideforever]

Well, apparently Germany has a 20Bn trade balance with us, Spain 15Bn, Netherlands and Belgium about 10Bn.  They would benefit from free trade more than us.

And if we leave we are the biggest export market for the EU, almost equal to the US.

Border checks etc... are easily solved by ... not checking, and having multi-level trusted shipping companies which all the big companies will be applying for and get.

Then we can rejoin the Anglosphere and generally relax.

Losing your sovereignty and replacing the people in your land ... is certainly something to avoid.

And the EU should avoid it also.

Their plan of shrivelling their ass up, and turning their populations in the Health & Safety terrified consumers ... is not a plan that is going to work.   They can pour people in from the 3rd world ... but that's totally desperate.

No, Brexit passes all checks of sanity.

Maybe .... nobody will much notice the change.

 

 

[Chang]

3 hours ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

You think he's any better? He's just as bad as the other two...actually, he's worse.

 

You may well be correct in that assumption but at least he is consistant in his aim, namely Brexit.

 

3 hours ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

The problem with Brexit is that you have governments trying to undo 46 years of integration in 3....it is a fruitless affair....the amount of operations taking place in the UK contingent upon the pillars of the EU is simply to great. It is impossible to do this in both a fast and correct manner simultaneously......what should have been a decade long (minimum) exit is being condensed to satisfy this unfounded sense of "nationalism" that slightly more than half the people seemed to have (in 2016).

 

Unfortunately this is not in fact the case as the Government have done very little so far as regards undoing our ties to the European tyranny. I am also a little concerned as regards your remark " this unfounded sense of "nationalism" "

3 hours ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

The only hope for this to be smooth was to do a staggered exit, whereby the UK slowly unwinded to a position that was better for them...that was absolutely thrown out the window when parliament voted down the alternatives ( nobody said these had to be permanent) despite the fact there was no plans in place.

 

The powers that be have had no desire for exit from the E.U., staggered or otherwise: hence no plans in place other than the plan to block Brexit at all costs.

 

3 hours ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

Perhaps most ironic of all, is that year on year the demographic changes, and more people want to remain than leave..( the youth embrace travel, open borders and multiculturalism) so there's absolutely nothing to say that in twenty or thirty years this wont be reversed...that is, if it even happens in the first place

 

The youth also embrace Corbyn and his brand of good, old fashioned Marxism. Fortunately our views change as we age so do not predict what may happen in thirty years time.

[Patrick Brown]

I think this has more to do with the EU playing their part in the globalist project/NWO. Some still think this is a conspiracy bur I think it's very real and they are using the left to promise a Frankenstein Utopian society which is really fascism dressed up as communism dressed up as socialism! 

 

I think eventually this will end in world war, one way or another. Yeah pretty grim as it's either that or the Orwellian dystopia. Fight and die free or live (evil) and die a slave, we all have to choose.  

 

[Patrick Brown]

 

[pegasus1992]

21 hours ago, Chang said:

 

You may well be correct in that assumption but at least he is consistant in his aim, namely Brexit.

 

 

Unfortunately this is not in fact the case as the Government have done very little so far as regards undoing our ties to the European tyranny. I am also a little concerned as regards your remark " this unfounded sense of "nationalism" "

 

The powers that be have had no desire for exit from the E.U., staggered or otherwise: hence no plans in place other than the plan to block Brexit at all costs.

 

 

The youth also embrace Corbyn and his brand of good, old fashioned Marxism. Fortunately our views change as we age so do not predict what may happen in thirty years time.

 

 

There was a withdrawl agreement presented several times and many alternatives...the fact that a bunch of politicians want to have their cake and eat it too does not take away from that fact. It is not Brexit that is being blocked...it is a complete clean break from the EU despite the fact that the country is currently dependent on the very pillars it seeks to shed....This goes back to what I said earlier......the unfounded sense of nationalism (Brexit and we'll be fine, because we are Britain)...sorry but that outlook is delusional and doesn't cut it....to give you a better analogy....What I suggested is the equivalent of safely removing and replacing parts of a house that needs reconstruction and replacing them vs taking a wrecking ball to the whole lot and hoping for the best

 

To further my point....take a look at how its playing out...England have one set of ideas, Scotland another, NI another and Wales another....so now not only do you have the UK threatened as a whole , but you have the very integrity of the unity also...Scotland already want out, and NI have been largely brushed under the rug, while the English seem to be dictating the course of events entirely.... The more the thread unravels the worse and worse this gets....it wasn't planned properly, there is no ideas for execution and implementation and there's absolutely no hope anything can happen that isn't a major disruption unless it involves an agreement.....

 

Do you forget how many businesses operate in the UK that rely entirely on these pillars? you have no longer got the free movement of goods, money, people, knowledge etc etc...you do not undo that overnight and think its going to be ok

 

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson need to be outed from government...neither have any qualification to be doing what they are doing....idiots of the highest order

[rideforever]

2 minutes ago, pegasus1992 said:

What I suggested is the equivalent of safely removing and replacing parts of a house that needs reconstruction and replacing them vs taking a wrecking ball to the whole lot and hoping for the best

 

What is it exactly that you are going on about ?
What is it that you think will no longer work ?
Will the air ... turn off ?
What is this ... "big stuff" ... that will fall apart ?

Specifically ?

 

[pegasus1992]

2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

What is it exactly that you are going on about ?
What is it that you think will no longer work ?
Will the air ... turn off ?
What is this ... "big stuff" ... that will fall apart ?

Specifically ?

 

 

When you have an economy dependent on the free movement of goods, money, people and knowledge, and you take that away...the cogs inside said economy no longer turn correctly, which leads to an innumerable amount of problems...despite the fact that i used to lecture in strategic management ( in a past career) , its not my place to lecture you on this topic, so I will  instead suggest reading around the following areas...its simply to vast to condense into a single post.... you can form your own opinion after that

 

Globalization ( specifically integration of economies), Competitive advantage, Internationalization (for future trade), Law of international business transactions (and WTO terms)

 

This is strictly from a business perspective, nothing more or less....I wont venture into the rest as this alone is enough of a deterrent from no deal to anyone who understands these concepts thoroughly....although then again we are talking about a country that's about to elect Boris Johnson as a prime minister....so to commit " hara kiri " isn't all that surprising I guess

[rideforever]

Nothing specific then ?

We can all read the fearmongering news, and repeat it like dodos, after all an apocalypse was supposed to happen 3 years ago.

It didn't.

Even though there is media-driven social warfare, and a very poor political leadership, still everything floats quite well even though there is nobody really driving the ship during this endless storm.   

That says so much for Britain, it can't be stopped.

 

We will just become like the other 200 other countries on the planet, all of whom suffer the general points above, and prosper.

We are the largest export market for the EU (along with the USA) they will not stop trade, and trade from Germany/Italy/Netherlands/Belgium is particular big.

Then we have the most powerful country in the world as our best buddies.

UK Law is so reliable that many contracts worldwide are still made under it.

 

As for competitive advantage ... yes the EU has a bigger hand, but then it has to average out what everyone there wants, so nobody really gets what they want.   They will get whitebait 2% cheaper, it's just that only 3 out of 27 countries wanted whitebait.

Plus the people in the EU are not very happy and not having children ... that's not a good sign is it.
Whilst in the UK and Ireland birth rates are much higher than the EU average, people like it here.

Just speaking to the Polish girl at the cafe, she wants to stay, she feels free-er here, why go back ... even with a much smaller home here.

And it's the same for the rich and poor, and certainly for business and bankers ... why would you walk into the prison where the Brussels dictatorship grows every day.

 

If you are afraid ... with this hand of cards ... I suggest you don't play or bring your brown trousers.

Anyway 5G will give everyone cancer in their 20s most likely, so not sure it will make much difference in the long run.

 

One of the problems with the EU is that all of the staff there have gone to the same schools and repeat like herd animals all the strategic management (strategic masturbation) they have been taught there by lecturers.   It's been a nice little cowards game for the incompetent wine connoiseurs to play.

But the future is not made like that. 

Entrepreneurs are not made like that.

It is made with courage and spirit and freedom.

Just look at the US.

 

But like I said there are no victories on Earth, mankind is doomed.

 

 

[pegasus1992]

20 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Nothing specific then ?

We can all read the fearmongering news, and repeat it like dodos, after all an apocalypse was supposed to happen 3 years ago.

It didn't.

Even though there is media-driven social warfare, and a very poor political leadership, still everything floats quite well even though there is nobody really driving the ship during this endless storm.   

That says so much for Britain, it can't be stopped.

 

We will just become like the other 200 other countries on the planet, all of whom suffer the general points above, and prosper.

We are the largest export market for the EU (along with the USA) they will not stop trade, and trade from Germany/Italy/Netherlands/Belgium is particular big.

Then we have the most powerful country in the world as our best buddies.

UK Law is so reliable that many contracts worldwide are still made under it.

 

As for competitive advantage ... yes the EU has a bigger hand, but then it has to average out what everyone there wants, so nobody really gets what they want.   They will get whitebait 2% cheaper, it's just that only 3 out of 27 countries wanted whitebait.

Plus the people in the EU are not very happy and not having children ... that's not a good sign is it.
Whilst in the UK and Ireland birth rates are much higher than the EU average, people like it here.

Just speaking to the Polish girl at the cafe, she wants to stay, she feels free-er here, why go back ... even with a much smaller home here.

And it's the same for the rich and poor, and certainly for business and bankers ... why would you walk into the prison where the Brussels dictatorship grows every day.

 

If you are afraid ... with this hand of cards ... I suggest you don't play or bring your brown trousers.

Anyway 5G will give everyone cancer in their 20s most likely, so not sure it will make much difference in the long run.

 

One of the problems with the EU is that all of the staff there have gone to the same schools and repeat like herd animals all the strategic management (strategic masturbation) they have been taught there by lecturers.   It's been a nice little cowards game for the incompetent wine connoiseurs to play.

But the future is not made like that. 

Entrepreneurs are not made like that.

It is made with courage and spirit and freedom.

Just look at the US.

 

But like I said there are no victories on Earth, mankind is doomed.

 

 

 

Sorry but theres a number of holes in that logic.

 

Everything floats well? nothing has changed because Britain are still an EU member firstly...but the evidence suggests it will change.

 

Secondly The UK are  taking 16% of the EU exports...the EU is taking 39% of UK exports (that excludes EFTA/EEC) so who is more dependent that who? the EU are hurt without the UK, the UK are crippled without the EU

 

Also, my polish friend just left for home last month, is this what stands for evidence in your opinion? if so get a new standard

 

Prison? what exactly is it you are talking about?

 

Pregancy has nothing to do with it......Why even bring that up?

 

As for happiness...have you seen the latest reports? top 20 are here

 

https://www.treehugger.com/culture/world-happiness-report-20-happiest-countries.html

 

UK is below several EU countries....even more if you include the EFTA/EEA.....care to explain that?

 

Afraid? me? I have the right to be in both the UK and EU indefinitely, so I'm not afraid at all...I just call it as I see it

 

Ireland has just  a strong relationship with the US compared to Britan, as do many other countries....so I don't think you've any edge there

 

Funny, the majority of strategic management literature and courses come out of the US...that's were all the major articles and research comes from.... I thought these great thinkers were your "best buddies"?

 

And FYI im anything but a wine drinker or a coward....I'm actually from a psychology background with a neuroscience focus...so I certainly dont regurgitate anything I was thought,.....but facts are facts friend, and just about everything you stated isn't supported by them

 

 

[Chang]

2 hours ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

 

There was a withdrawl agreement presented several times and many alternatives...the fact that a bunch of politicians want to have their cake and eat it too does not take away from that fact. It is not Brexit that is being blocked...it is a complete clean break from the EU despite the fact that the country is currently dependent on the very pillars it seeks to shed....This goes back to what I said earlier......the unfounded sense of nationalism (Brexit and we'll be fine, because we are Britain)...sorry but that outlook is delusional and doesn't cut it....to give you a better analogy....What I suggested is the equivalent of safely removing and replacing parts of a house that needs reconstruction and replacing them vs taking a wrecking ball to the whole lot and hoping for the best

 

To further my point....take a look at how its playing out...England have one set of ideas, Scotland another, NI another and Wales another....so now not only do you have the UK threatened as a whole , but you have the very integrity of the unity also...Scotland already want out, and NI have been largely brushed under the rug, while the English seem to be dictating the course of events entirely.... The more the thread unravels the worse and worse this gets....it wasn't planned properly, there is no ideas for execution and implementation and there's absolutely no hope anything can happen that isn't a major disruption unless it involves an agreement.....

 

Do you forget how many businesses operate in the UK that rely entirely on these pillars? you have no longer got the free movement of goods, money, people, knowledge etc etc...you do not undo that overnight and think its going to be ok

 

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson need to be outed from government...neither have any qualification to be doing what they are doing....idiots of the highest order

 

You speak of my outlook being delusional and not cutting it but I take the same view regarding your outlook. I fear that we shall simply have to disagree on these matters as I can no longer be bothered to argue this matter with Remainiacs who fear that the sky is going to fall should we cut our ties with an unelected Cultural Marxist tyrany.

[pegasus1992]

7 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

You speak of my outlook being delusional and not cutting it but I take the same view regarding your outlook. I fear that we shall simply have to disagree on these matters as I can no longer be bothered to argue this matter with Remainiacs who fear that the sky is going to fall should we cut our ties with an unelected Cultural Marxist tyrany.

 

Remainiac? Haha Im not from the UK and couldn't care less if the sea swallows it tomorrow, that'll be the peoples fault  

 

Where did I say the UK should remain in the EU....go back and read and get the facts straight please...I am criticizing the method, not the action..perhaps learn to differentiate between the two

 

please see here from an earlier post

" I mean no disrespect but ever since Brexit was triggered without any inclination as to the repercussions, I have lost total faith in any UK politics...It was one thing to vote for it...this is understandable....but to trigger it without the slightest idea of the issues it would cause was the most idiotic thing I've seen in politics.....The people shouldn't have allowed that

 

What's even worse...there was plenty of viable options the UK could have taken...such as a staged exit....something like EU - Norway model - separation with agreement over a given period....this would have given ample time to work out the finer points..without having all sorts of chaos in the meantime

 

The politicians there are unfit for parliament"

 

And as for me calling your outlook delusional? No, I didnt say anything about you.... I said the outlook that "Brexit and it will be fine because we are Britan" is delusional..and all the facts support that

 

Im most open to correction, provide me one shred of evidence that any country can undo almost half a century of globalization and economic integration overnight without drastic ramifications

Edited June 28, 2019 by pegasus1992

[Patrick Brown]

The facts are pretty simple, if we don't leave Londung will be burnt to the ground and civil war will rage across Britain. 

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, pegasus1992 said:

Pregancy has nothing to do with it......Why even bring that up?

 

If we put aside all the propaganda, a hard indicator of confidence is if people are having children, which means the UK is far ahead of the EU.

 

The balance of trade is very much in the UK's favour between the UK and the EU by £67Bn.   So they would lose out under tarrifed trade.

 

Then in terms of the EU's external markets the UK is joint top with the US at 16%.  The EU is not about to lose 16% of their external market.

 

We have gone through an extreme shock after the referendum with all sorts of institutions around the world continuously forecasting doom.   Nothing happened.

 

So ... the UK seems to be in a "strong" position allround.   One can imagine vastly worse situation.

 

The intellectual class who are so proud of themselves are unlike the entrepreneurs a country needs.  Just look at Dyson Trump and Branson.   

 

[Chang]

1 hour ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

Remainiac? Haha Im not from the UK and couldn't care less if the sea swallows it tomorrow, that'll be the peoples fault  

 

For a foreigner you have a great deal to say about Britain and its exit form the E.U. You have also made a series of disparaging remarks regarding my country and it's peaple. Perhaps you would care to tell us your nationality and country of residence so that we may ponder as to whether or not your people and politico's are any better than ours.

 

1 hour ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

Where did I say the UK should remain in the EU....go back and read and get the facts straight please...I am criticizing the method, not the action..perhaps learn to differentiate between the two

 

The inference from your posts is that the British people are insane to consider leaving the e.U..

 

1 hour ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

please see here from an earlier post

" I mean no disrespect but ever since Brexit was triggered without any inclination as to the repercussions, I have lost total faith in any UK politics...It was one thing to vote for it...this is understandable....but to trigger it without the slightest idea of the issues it would cause was the most idiotic thing I've seen in politics.....The people shouldn't have allowed that

 

What's even worse...there was plenty of viable options the UK could have taken...such as a staged exit....something like EU - Norway model - separation with agreement over a given period....this would have given ample time to work out the finer points..without having all sorts of chaos in the meantime

 

The politicians there are unfit for parliament"

 

 

 

And as for me calling your outlook delusional? No, I didnt say anything about you.... I said the outlook that "Brexit and it will be fine because we are Britan" is delusional..and all the facts support that

 

Thank you for re posting the highlighted text above. It served as a useful reminder of your disordered logic. The one thing that we can agree on is that our politico's are unfit to govern. Once more please enlighten us to your country of origin and residence so that we may comment on your government.

1 hour ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

Im most open to correction, provide me one shred of evidence that any country can undo almost half a century of globalization and economic integration overnight without drastic ramifications

 

Of course there will be ramifications, drastic and mundane but are you in favour of globalisation? You may also let us know your political leanings  so that we may offer our thoughts regarding your sanity or otherwise.

[pegasus1992]

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

If we put aside all the propaganda, a hard indicator of confidence is if people are having children, which means the UK is far ahead of the EU.

 

The balance of trade is very much in the UK's favour between the UK and the EU by £67Bn.   So they would lose out under tarrifed trade.

 

Then in terms of the EU's external markets the UK is joint top with the US at 16%.  The EU is not about to lose 16% of their external market.

 

We have gone through an extreme shock after the referendum with all sorts of institutions around the world continuously forecasting doom.   Nothing happened.

 

So ... the UK seems to be in a "strong" position allround.   One can imagine vastly worse situation.

 

The intellectual class who are so proud of themselves are unlike the entrepreneurs a country needs.  Just look at Dyson Trump and Branson.   

 

 

No they arent....hard indicators are things like FDI, Currency rates and Economic growth....people take strong advantage of the benefits system in both the UK and Ireland....there are literally people who make babies to supplement income...or some that depend entirely upon it..rising casual sex, increased alchohol and drug consumption, diminished responsibilities....Childbirth has far too many variable to be an indicator of confidence.

 

The EU can afford to lose 16% of its market a lot more than Britain can afford to lose 39%. that's simple mathematics

 

Nothing happened? The pound has decreased from 1.30 to 1.11...fx rate is the primary measure of confidence...and there has been no confidence in Britain since this farce began in 2016...FDI has fallen to a six year low...Econmic growth is down...and these are before anything ACTUALLY HAPPENED

 

It has also failed to deliver it's agenda on time...TWICE...and nothing else has happened yet because aside from uncertainty and bickering they have done nothing...except fumble and stumble because they were hopelessly and hilariously under-prepared for the ramifications that an immediate no deal would cost...and Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees Mogg  is not going to change that....because you cannot undo half a century of globalization and economic integration overnight without a major shockwave

 

So you didn't go through a shock (yet)...you've just been warned by about every single expert on the topic that it isn't going to end well for Britain, and all the evidence suggests that's correct

 

Strong position? last I checked it was the UK that wanted the WA reopened, not the EU...doesn't seem very strong to me

 

What exactly is your obsession with entrepreneurs? do you think of them as saviors or something?

[pegasus1992]

4 hours ago, Chang said:

 

For a foreigner you have a great deal to say about Britain and its exit form the E.U. You have also made a series of disparaging remarks regarding my country and it's peaple. Perhaps you would care to tell us your nationality and country of residence so that we may ponder as to whether or not your people and politico's are any better than ours.

 

 

The inference from your posts is that the British people are insane to consider leaving the e.U..

 

 

Thank you for re posting the highlighted text above. It served as a useful reminder of your disordered logic. The one thing that we can agree on is that our politico's are unfit to govern. Once more please enlighten us to your country of origin and residence so that we may comment on your government.

 

Of course there will be ramifications, drastic and mundane but are you in favour of globalisation? You may also let us know your political leanings  so that we may offer our thoughts regarding your sanity or otherwise.

 

This is the brexit thread no? what exactly does my nationality have to do with it?

 

No I said it was crazy to trigger article 50 with no plan in place to circumvent the issues that would arise....Like i said " to leave the EU is understandable" Are you genuinely struggling to grasp my point here or what?

 

Globalization is and always will be a double edged sword....so it is not a simple yes or no....rather it is a how, where , why, to what degree and it depends

 

Political leanings? again what do mine have to do with it?