speed of light foray

[wandelaar]

One could first accelerate with a = g and then decelerate with a = -g (where g is the gravitational acceleration on the surface of the earth), so that such a journey for the astronauts on board would be nice and comfortable. Take note that the acceleration is to be reckoned relative to momentarily comoving inertial frames (as interpreted in the context of the special theory of relativity). See:

 

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/acceleration.html

 

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/Rocket/rocket.html

[wandelaar]

20 minutes ago, 3bob said:

if consciousness does not have mass as we know it then how fast can it travel?

 

Is our consciousness a thing that can travel independent of the position of our brain? And if so: how would you define its momentary position in space?

[3bob]

46 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

 

Is our consciousness a thing that can travel independent of the position of our brain? And if so: how would you define its momentary position in space?

 

ah, "to be or not to be that is the question", oops that is likely out of astronomical alignment here...Anyway I'd say our individual souls are a refined thing that can travel to different positions in space-time regardless of the locations of gray matter, dark matter, or anti-matter.  Whereas Spirit is already here, there and everywhere simultaneously.    

[wandelaar]

26 minutes ago, 3bob said:

ah, "to be or not to be that is the question", oops that is likely out of astronomical alignment here...Anyway I'd say our individual souls are a refined thing that can travel to different positions in space-time regardless of the locations of gray matter, dark matter, or anti-matter.  Whereas Spirit is already here, there and everywhere simultaneously.    

 

As long as you don't specify what it means for our consciousness to be at some position in space this all remains empty talk without any possibility of further investigation.

[3bob]

8 hours ago, wandelaar said:

 

As long as you don't specify what it means for our consciousness to be at some position in space this all remains empty talk without any possibility of further investigation.

 

true we can't prove a dam thing with instruments that can't prove a dam thing, thus subjective, first hand experience is left to the individual...no matter how much we tinker with or invent new instruments that are still inherently limited.

Edited November 17, 2018 by 3bob

[wandelaar]

Instruments aren't the problem, the problem is that you refuse describe what you mean by the claim that "our individual souls are a refined thing that can travel to different positions in space-time regardless of the locations of gray matter, dark matter, or anti-matter". Subjective experiences are also experiences, and experiences are facts. You could at least describe which subjective experiences made you think that our souls can travel in space independent of the location of our brain. Otherwise there is no way to answer your question.

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by wandelaar

[Nintendao]

I thought maybe it was less about the consciousness being a separate thing that can detach and travel around, as it is about being more sensitive and connected in general. When a telescope became capable of picking up finer and finer signals, we didn't say that the telescope itself went and traveled to a distant galaxy, just that it became more able to focus on what was already shining on it.

[wandelaar]

The problem remains that there is no way to investigate the consequences of supposed capabilities of X (be it a soul, a telescope or whatever) as long as nothing concrete is said about what the capabilities of X are supposed to be.

[Nintendao]

Even if we developed a super sense in the third eye, I was imagining it is almost like sonar, only instead of bouncing sound waves off things, we emit and reabsorb photons. Living tissue has been observed in the lab to emit a minute amount of light under certain reactions, something they termed biophotons. So if we process a lot of energy, and produce more of those photons, at the same time learn to focus the perception to sense such infinitesimal bursts of light, we have a new form of information exchange. As we seen in fiber optics, it's not even necessary to have a super bright light, it's only about the pattern of signals that needs to be decoded. This idea still limits consciousness to the speed of light, but there's also now research into quantum entanglement, where some spooky type of signal is taken instantaneously irrelevant of distance.

 

So to build this into what wandelaar has presented.. i wonder if we will soon see some research being done where there can finally be a directly measurable correlation between what we see those biophotons doing, and what someone claiming to see with a "third eye"

[wandelaar]

If that's how it works than it would be basically a physical process and thus it would follow the rules of quantum physics and relativity theory.

 

(However the theory of information exchange by way of biophotons at the current stage of investigation is speculative at best.)

[3bob]

since when did someones subjective description amount to anything close to fact when it can't prove a dam thing to science other than it being speculation?

[wandelaar]

Since wandelaar said so!

 

But you are still beating around the bush, why don't you just tell us why you think the soul can travel in space independently of the location of the brain. I might agree with you or not, but at least then we can explore how such a supposition relates to the theory of relativity.

[Nintendao]

After all, how many hours could we probably spend discovering how a piano emits sounds, or how the moon sheds light, and not have gotten any closer to understanding the relationship between the two than in just a few minutes with old Claude?

 

 

 

[Michael Sternbach]

5 hours ago, 3bob said:

if consciousness does not have mass as we know it then how fast can it travel?

 

Even light has a mass and kind of belongs to the physical realm, as do space and time. Pure consciousness, however, belongs to the dimensions of subtle energies and is therefore not subject to the restrictions imposed according to SRT, which only apply to material things.

[wandelaar]

1 minute ago, Michael Sternbach said:

Even light has a mass and kind of belongs to the physical realm, as do space and time. Pure consciousness, however, belongs to the dimensions of subtle energies and is therefore not subject to the restrictions imposed according to SRT, which only apply to material things.

 

Is pure consciousness empty of thoughts, images, perceptions and feelings?

[3bob]

it is not attached to them, thus is unencumbered.

[rideforever]

Consciousness is the recognizer.   Does recognition take time, if I look at a bird ?   Yes.
When you have a question that you mull over does it take time to find an answer ?  Yes, you might have arising solutions popping in (from the unconscious) or intuition (meaning your inutitive centre receives something), and you may consciously induce an answer.   A meeting of many levels to find an answer.

Light is not what it seems, it is quite magical.   When we see a landscape each colour is a different heat level, we don't see light, we feel their heat according to colour.   In the same way when we experience sunlight we might interpret this as some sort of material phenomena .... but is it actually love itself from our protector.   Is the Sun alive ?   
Are you sensitive to such things or live like wind up soldier ?

To get from pure understanding to the manifest world is a long journey through layers of consciousness and subtle energy structures.

Does consciousness take time to recognize itself, no instantaneous and same for recognition of self in the heart or dantien etc...

Unless you are developed or developing yourself internally and studying the inner structures, then the conversation is not much.

[rene]

 

Well, I think you all have been smoking silent thunder's lawn again.

  🦋🌲❤

[3bob]

11 hours ago, rene said:

 

Well, I think you all have been smoking silent thunder's lawn again.

  🦋🌲❤

 

as long as he doesn't use roundup or other dangerous chemicals on it and it's a legal to smoke type of lawn... 

[silent thunder]

 

We don't build fences at my place, so come on over; we build long tables and have deep bowls.  Some of them are even for soup...

[rene]

3 hours ago, 3bob said:

 

as long as he doesn't use roundup or other dangerous chemicals on it and it's a legal to smoke type of lawn... 

I'm sure he doesn't and it's legal where he is. Legal here, too.

[rene]

1 hour ago, silent thunder said:

 

We don't build fences at my place, so come on over; we build long tables and have deep bowls.  Some of them are even for soup...

 

Excellent!

I'll set the tables and I bet we can get the speed of light to slow down so we can reallly see what's goin on.

[3bob]

but if we slow down the speed of light what would be the repercussions?  (for instance would said grass still grow properly?)

[rene]

1 hour ago, 3bob said:

but if we slow down the speed of light what would be the repercussions?  (for instance would said grass still grow properly?)

Oh honey if we could slow down the speed of light there would be no grass left to be affected, it having been already harvested dried smoked  mowed.

[3bob]

8 minutes ago, rene said:

Oh honey if we could slow down the speed of light there would be no grass left to be affected, it having been already harvested dried smoked  mowed.

 

well dear wouldn't that mean that we too would be slowed down proportionally for mowing and such