True Yin and True Yang

[Taoist Texts]

2 hours ago, freeform said:

a teacher who has gone through the process

there is no such teacher

[freeform]

4 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

there is no such teacher

 

Well - maybe going through the process, with the milestones and ‘signs’ of progress clearly evident...

[voidisyinyang]

On 11/26/2018 at 4:39 AM, Taoist Texts said:

yin and intention kinda clash

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He stresses their fundamental unity and underscores the coincidena oppositorum operated by a tertium quid. This third element is the central one, the Mysterious Pass (*xuanguan), represented for instance by the intention (*yi) in the pair body and spirit...He repeatedly states that the only necessary thing is the Mysterious Pass, equated with the precosmic and transcendent particle of light and more important than the practices themselves."

Isabelle Robinet

 

So the fascinating paradox of intention is that it is actually the light that is turned around as "yin matter" (virtual photons) - so the frequency of light then is "emptied" out and harmonized from the future (reverse time) - this relies on emptying out the left brain so that the vagus nerve is activated - going down the front of the body.

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Therefore it is said: “If you don’t amass mercury, how can you seek lead? If you don’t subdue the dragon, how can you tame its tiger?”

Xing ming gui zhi, 1615

[voidisyinyang]

14 hours ago, Nintendao said:

All this Yang within Yin mystery and intrigue! Aren't these old ass poems, about seeking out the hidden True Yang, mostly talking about the same thing? Namely kidney fire a.k.a the adrenals? Since the kidney so yin, and the adrenal sits on top of it, then you take some metaphor from nature world like "In order to find the True fire, you must go to the bottom of the sea." Today we know about pelagic magma vents or whatever but i guess that's a less romantic way to phrase it. Anyway, usually what we think of adrenaline and cortisol, we know they are steroid hormones;  they're designed for causing some explosive yang shit right? But the secret move is you burn it real slow, and you can do all kinds of useful tasks in there. So how to install a carburetor between your kidneys? Sit up straight and take long deep breaths is a good start. Then how you get the gland to secrete the fuel? INTENTION. Hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis is a real thing, and it's designed for more than just getting angry at people.  

 

So the yang qi is actually from blue light. The adrenaline has a positive feedback with the pineal gland (the true source of the adrenaline). The Wim Hof method proves this also. So the Quick Fire breathing (the external alchemical pill) physically stimulates the adrenal medullae which increases adrenaline as a positive feedback with the pineal gland via the sympathetic nervous system. Along with standing exercise - the legs shaking 7 to 9 times per second - this causes a "parasympathetic rebound" as the opposite extreme of the sympathetic nervous system.

 

So the secret is to then store up the energy via the parasympathetic nervous system - the slow fire. When the breath is held AFTER exhale this activates the parasympathetic nervous system and also causes blood to flood into the brain and increases serotonin levels in the brain. So it works just as an electric eel - as JOhn Chang states - the increased serotonin then increases the potassium ratio to the sodium in the neurons. Also then the microtubules of the collagen are activated as a non-local quantum coherent charge (the Yuan Qi via the pineal gland).

 

And so the secret of the quote of the OP - is that the White Tiger goes down the front - it is swallowed - as the Lead that as Metal, pulls down the stored up charge of the pineal gland - and it goes into the stomach creating great heat but it is absorbed back into the lower tan t'ien. This happens via the left side vagus nerve - so requires emptying out the left brain mind and visualizing the light in the lower tan t'ien. The two processes work together.

 

So this way the yin qi is purified going down the front, via the pineal gland and heart - and the yin qi is sublimated via the kidneys through the yang qi - so that is why the Po Soul is necessary to make sure the Mercury is properly sublimated to then feed the increase of the yang qi (that is seen as blue light). Then once the pineal gland is opened up - you can create internal medicine by just absorbing the blue light externally - and the subharmonic going down activates the proton-electron magnetic moment (again it's virtual photons) but the virtual photons then cause the electron to get pulled in closer to the proton - thereby creating a stronger spin energy as reverse time positron energy. This is then stored in the 5th dimension.

 

 

[Taoist Texts]

7 hours ago, freeform said:

 

Well - maybe going through the process, with the milestones and ‘signs’ of progress clearly evident...

unfortunately no such either. At best, the modern teachers get to the light stage, which is not even necessarily a part of the process. And when it is, it is only 15% of the process

[Bindi]

14 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

unfortunately no such either. At best, the modern teachers get to the light stage, which is not even necessarily a part of the process. And when it is, it is only 15% of the process

 

What is "the light stage"??

[Taoist Texts]

21 minutes ago, Bindi said:

 

What is "the light stage"??

its seeing lights and colors and stuff

[Wu Ming Jen]

light is not a color the jade seal scripture says "the light is not white or green".

 

Using the light we can see colors but it is not the light.

 

All apertures emit light, the light of seeing, the light of hearing, to name a couple but seeing is not the light just as hearing is not the light.

 

To know this is called the light of wisdom 

 

Many text associate colors to a specific energy but the energy is not the color.

 

What is the color of light many use the term gold but gold is not the light it is a term for those that have turned the light around.

 

The light of awareness. The light is within us. Most use the light to shine the outside world but few shine the inside and discover the source of true yin essence and true yang vitality

 

“The Supreme Medicine has three distinctions:
Ching [essence], Qi [vitality]. and Shen [spirit],
Which are elusive and obscure.  

 

Use the spirit to join true yin and true yang this is the meaning of dragon and tiger meeting. How did they met, who introduced them,they are meant for each other but appear to be opposite to each other the only thing capable is the eternal spirit within us.

 

If all goes well we remember who we are, where we came from, where we return and realize we never left in the first place.

[Wu Ming Jen]

Lead is original spirit and mercury is acquired spirit so cause what sinks out of consciousness (Lead) to float, Mercury rises floats and flares up this consciousness causes trouble sink it and put it in its proper place do not destroy it..

 

It is simple put the original spirit in charge of affairs and all goes well.

[KuroShiro]

9 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

unfortunately no such either. At best, the modern teachers get to the light stage, which is not even necessarily a part of the process. And when it is, it is only 15% of the process

 

What process?

You're saying one can go through the process without getting the light stage? Is there anything else that is not necessarily a part of the process?

 

 

8 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

its seeing lights and colors and stuff

 

Seeing lights seems to be easy (and not to be given any attention). What else do you include under stuff? Spontaneous movement, physical/Qi sensations...?

 

[Taoist Texts]

1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

 

What process?

the alchemical one

1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

You're saying one can go through the process without getting the light stage?

no, i was unclear sorry. what i meant is that seeing light does not mean that the process is taking place; on the other hand, the process always includes light

1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

 

Is there anything else that is not necessarily a part of the process? Seeing lights seems to be easy (and not to be given any attention). What else do you include under stuff? Spontaneous movement, physical/Qi sensations...?

 

its the same situation with those. Any of it can happen on its own not signifying that alchemy is in process;  but when it is in process, all of these things do happen.

[freeform]

14 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

unfortunately no such either. At best, the modern teachers get to the light stage

 

Although this may be true for 99% of teachers, it’s certainly not true for all  

 

 

[Taoist Texts]

1 hour ago, freeform said:

 

Although this may be true for 99% of teachers, it’s certainly not true for all  

 

 

you have names?

[freeform]

2 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

you have names?

 

Hmm - one of them does teach openly in public. But I’ll need to ask whether they want their personal training discussed in public. Two others I know avoid contact with anyone that’s not ‘introduced’ to them.

 

The masters who’re diligently working in the mid to later stages of alchemy tend prefer to stay out of the public eye. All the ones I know focus almost all their time on training.

 

I can say that at these stages of alchemy the milestones for demonstrating attainment seem pretty ‘out there’ and unbelievable to most people outside this world. So it makes sense to keep it all behind closed doors to avoid all the distractions and mess that comes with public scrutiny.

 

 

[KuroShiro]

13 minutes ago, freeform said:

The masters who’re diligently working in the mid to later stages of alchemy tend prefer to stay out of the public eye. All the ones I know focus almost all their time on training.

 

Are they hermits?

[freeform]

45 minutes ago, KuroShiro said:

 

Are they hermits?

 

Actually I was quite surprised to find that most high-level masters tend to live in society. Daoist ones that is. They all tend to look very ‘normal’.

 

All the ones mentioned above actually live in cities. Although they have all had long term retreats away from society for certain parts of their training.

[Taoist Texts]

5 hours ago, freeform said:

Hmm - one of them does teach openly in public. But I’ll need to ask whether they want their personal training discussed in public. Two others I know avoid contact with anyone that’s not ‘introduced’ to them.

 

The masters who’re diligently working in the mid to later stages of alchemy

You personally know not one, not two, but three masters. Good things come in threes)

[freeform]

7 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

You personally know not one, not two, but three masters. Good things come in threes)

 

Yup  

 

Once you hang out in these circles, doors tend to open.

 

Mind you - only one will teach me - the other two teach my teacher. I’m not far enough in my training to receive instruction from them. Not sure I ever will be! 

[Desmonddf]

This is an interpretation based in TCM and Five Movements Theory. The basys is that this poem is about either about Alchemy or Nei Gong, not anything else.

 

 

 

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Hold True Lead firmly

 

Lead is metal. Metal within one's body that can be controled is breath.

So, "hold your breath firmly".

 

 

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and seek with intention;

 

Do not simply hold your breath. Do it with intention, that is, in a meditating and aware state.

 

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do not let time

easily slip by.

 

 

Avoid losing conscienciousness or letting your mind idle.

 

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Just let the earthly po-soul

seize the Mercury in the Vermilion,

 

 

The earthly po-soul is the esoteric yang-most part of the lungs. It is more yang than Qi, and is very close to Shen (spirit) in nature.

 

Vermilion is a red pigment made from mercury sulfide (mercury + sulphur). So, this means to "let the soul of the lungs purify the impurities on the mercury inside of you".

As for what mercury is, it could be literal mercury by the ingestion of cinnabar (Vermilion in the text), or something else.

 

Ancient chinese believed that, by ingesting cinnabar (raw form of mercury, which contains sulphur) one would achieve longevity through alchemy.

Mercury is considered to be Yin and sulphur to be Yang. Refining the cinnabar inside of you means to take the Yin (mercury) from inside of the Yin-Yang (Cinnabar).

 

On a more esoteric approach, Vermillion can also mean the Zhong Qi, the Chest Qi, which is a mix of energy from the air (Xin Qi), energy from the foods and drinks (Gu Qi) and energy from the Heart (Xin Qi - written on another way than the first).

 

By holding one's breath with intention, it is possible to deplete the Zhong Qi and transform it back into Xin Qi, that is, to take the Air Qi from inside the Chest Qi.

 

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and you will have the celestial hun-soul by itself

controlling the Metal in the Water.

 

 

Hun is the Soul in the Liver, and also one of the most esoteric souls in chinese esoterism. It is less yang than Shen, but many texts believe it survives death, while Shen wouldn't do it. It also is able to resist reincarnation, so it would be the link between one's current and previous lives.

 

Some even say that it is the Hun that gives birth to all other souls, upon reincarnation. I do not believe this theory, as it is a Wood soul, and Wood doesn't give birth but to Fire and Ashes.

 

Anyhow, so far we have been holding our breath. The Hun is also the Reactive, the Instinctive, the Protective soul. It is the soul that reacts to anything that happens in the body, and it is tasked with keeping harmony - like a general.

 

By holding your breath, you'll stirr your Hun. By depleting the Chest Qi, however (that is, by holding your breath with intention and keeping yourself calm through meditation), it is possible to force the Hun to remain calm.

 

Metal in the Water is the source of True Qi. Air Qi flows into the Kidneys and there, with Gu Qi and under the works of Yuan Qi, is transformed into True Qi (Zheng Qi).

 

If you're holding your breath, then there is no Air Qi to go bellow. Once the Chest Qi is depleted and there is no more metal, your Hun will try to exert counter-dominance (destructive cicle) over any Metal it finds in your body - which will be the remnant Metal (Air) in your Kidneys. It will then dominate it, forcing it to become harmonious and even short and limited, eventually even destroying it completely.

 

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One can say that when the Way is lofty,

Dragon and Tiger are subdued,

 

 

If you manage to obtain maestry in this (lofty Way)

 

Then you won't feel anger or impulses, that is, the need to react to all things while losing the control over the Hun.

 

Usually the Hun is controled by breathing - as Metal controls Wood. Then, it ignites the Shen (heart) and makes you lose your consciousness and clarity of mind (the Shen is forced out of the heart and lose its roots in it).

 

However, if you manage to hold your breath and still remain conscious all the time, you'll then be able to subdue this kind of instinctive reaction.

 

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and it may be said that when Virtue is hefty,

gods and demons are restrained.

 

 

When it becomes difficult to be Virtuous (hefty Virtue), the Benevolent Rulers (gods) and Fierce Rebels (demons) inside yourself (your instinctive reasonings and workings to keep the body active) are restrained.

 

That is, you'll be able to remain Virtuous, even when your own mind, believes and other mental, internal or somewhat instinctive and unconscious aspects try to act without Virtue, be it by benevolence to yourself (gods) or to rebel against the tyranny you impose on your own destiny, by sticking to Virtue despite the cost (demons).

 

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Once you know that your longevity

equals that of Heaven and Earth,

 

 

Heavens and Earth are eternal. Obtain the knowledge about your own eternity can be understood as many things, but the main point is that, once you reach it...

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troubles and vexations have no way

to rise to your heart.

 

 

 

Nothing will bother you anymore, and no mater the situation, you'll remain calm and able to exert Virtue.

 

 

So, summing it up:

 

In an practical alchemy interpretation:

Eat a cinnabar (raw mercury) and hold your breath for as long as possible without losing consciousness. You'll feel your chest tighten, but remain calm. Eventually, you'll feel an urgent need to breathe and react to not breathing, your whole body will turn weak, especially your lower back. Don't worry, that's to be expected.

 

No, it is not healthy, but this isn't about making an elixir. It is about learning to be Virtuous doesn't matter when.

 

Eventually, once you master this art, you'll be able to remain calm and Virtuous no matter the situation, for you'll learn that you're immortal and everlasting.

 

(Note: This probably comes from a successfull astral projection, which is also understood as the Hun leaving the body. Once you notice that your Hun exists outside of your body, and that it is immortal, you're supposed to accept anything that happens to your body, no matter what, because you know you're immortal and everlasting.

The cinnabar will help by releasing mercury inside of you, which will in turn make your digestion and whole earth-related system very heavy and unable to properly work. Depleted, indeed. With the grip (earth dominates water) on your Willpower -Zhi- released by depleting your earth-qi, you'll be able to remain conscious and calm for a longer time, due to sheer willpower. With enough calmness and keeping consciousness active all the time, it is easier to achieve an astral -or Hun- projection, as the easier way to do it is to remain conscious as your body enter a sleeping state).

 

 

 

In pracical Nei Gong interpretation:

 

Restrain your breath and remain calm and conscious. You'll feel all that I described above, and must pay attention to it - by remaining aware of the movements of the energy inside your body, you'll become able to better control your Hun and Liver Qi, as this technique is meant to stimulate its actions and reactions as strongly as possible.

That is, this is a technique to learn awareness of your Liver Qi and Hun, in which turn can be controled through your Shen later on, allowing you to become Virtuous no matter the situation, by directly controling (with intention and Spirit) your Liver Qi.

 

Also, you'll learn to identify when your control is being overly strong (that is, when your Liver has been so active it starts to hurt your kidneys) which is when it is time to go find a place to work this anger out of your system.

 

 

That's it. Hope it was of any use.

 

 

Obs: I suppose "True Yin" refers to the body without a soul, and "True Yang" to the souls without the body. Learning to "release True Yang from True Yin" means learning how to release/control your souls without the need of using your body (for instance, breathing) ^^

 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Desmonddf

[Taoist Texts]

2 hours ago, freeform said:

Mind you - only one will teach me - the other two teach my teacher. I’m not far enough in my training to receive instruction from them

Amazing. What is the name of your lineage?

[Wu Ming Jen]

Lu Dong Bing, one of the famous eight immortals passed the teaching of internal alchemy to Wang Chong Yang in the North of China and Zhang Bo Duan in the South of China. They both created Nei Dan Schools. Both schools focus on internal cultivation, merge Fire and Water, Lead and mercury, Dragon and Tiger combining the three treasures (jing, qi, shen) into the cinnabar which means Dan Tian (cauldron) which balances and harmonizes Xing (essential nature) and Ming (eternal life). 

 

When practicing Neidan we should not mix terms from Weidan. This eliminates confusion of terms like lead, mercury, cinnabar and what they mean.

 

 Infants and young maidens naturally have cordial relationships and join each other. This represents the True Yin and True Yang’s fusion inside the body.

 

Hun and po is used by the medical branch and not so much in Neidan.

 

魂 (Hun, ethereal soul) and 魄 (Po, corporeal soul) are often taught in contemporary Chinese Medical theory, their use in clinical practice is limited. Although the 魄 is considered to be more yin, and 魂 more yang, the two are fundamentally inseparable, and in this respect can be likened to the north and south poles of the earth; any damage to them can also lead to damage of the 陰題 (yin body), and accordingly, to the physical flesh. 

 

Daoist Medicine involves a consideration of 有形 (form) and 無形 (formless),  and many of the methods incorporated in Daoist Medicine deal with the 虛體 (formless body) as well as the 肉體 (physical body). 

 

All branches be it medical, science, martial, neidan, weidan, chi gung all use the same terms so it can be confusing and terms do not always have the same meaning. It depends on the topic to make sense of it and the actual application.

 

The practice of Neidan is to be taught at the Temple. Outside the temple there are countless other practices available.

 

[Bindi]

8 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

Lu Dong Bing, one of the famous eight immortals passed the teaching of internal alchemy to Wang Chong Yang in the North of China and Zhang Bo Duan in the South of China. They both created Nei Dan Schools. Both schools focus on internal cultivation, merge Fire and Water,

 

Water should ascend and fire descend, do they merge at some point? Or do they endlessly cycle? 

 

8 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

Lead and mercury, Dragon and Tiger combining the three treasures (jing, qi, shen) into the cinnabar which means Dan Tian (cauldron) which balances and harmonizes Xing (essential nature) and Ming (eternal life). 

 

When practicing Neidan we should not mix terms from Weidan. This eliminates confusion of terms like lead, mercury, cinnabar and what they mean.

 

 Infants and young maidens naturally have cordial relationships and join each other. This represents the True Yin and True Yang’s fusion inside the body.

 

Hun and po is used by the medical branch and not so much in Neidan.

 

魂 (Hun, ethereal soul) and 魄 (Po, corporeal soul) are often taught in contemporary Chinese Medical theory, their use in clinical practice is limited. Although the 魄 is considered to be more yin, and 魂 more yang, the two are fundamentally inseparable, and in this respect can be likened to the north and south poles of the earth; any damage to them can also lead to damage of the 陰題 (yin body), and accordingly, to the physical flesh. 

 

Daoist Medicine involves a consideration of 有形 (form) and 無形 (formless),  and many of the methods incorporated in Daoist Medicine deal with the 虛體 (formless body) as well as the 肉體 (physical body). 

 

All branches be it medical, science, martial, neidan, weidan, chi gung all use the same terms so it can be confusing and terms do not always have the same meaning. It depends on the topic to make sense of it and the actual application.

 

The practice of Neidan is to be taught at the Temple. Outside the temple there are countless other practices available.

 

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

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Water should ascend and fire descend, do they merge at some point?

 

This is the whole point of my "Reverted Elixir" thread. the water and fire merge at the third eye and the water then has to descend down the front. The fire has to ascend up the back after it merges with the water via the perineum. So that is the harmonization process. For some reason the Westernization of alchemy just has this simplistic view that it's just water ascending and fire descending. Must be from all the Mantak Chia books just stating that. Also this "Reverted Elixir" is more difficult to glean from the alchemical language. I've documented it in detail.

 

 

[Bindi]

1 hour ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

This is the whole point of my "Reverted Elixir" thread. the water and fire merge at the third eye and the water then has to descend down the front. The fire has to ascend up the back after it merges with the water via the perineum. So that is the harmonization process. For some reason the Westernization of alchemy just has this simplistic view that it's just water ascending and fire descending. Must be from all the Mantak Chia books just stating that. Also this "Reverted Elixir" is more difficult to glean from the alchemical language. I've documented it in detail.

 

 

 

In the nei jing tu it appears the water constantly cycles upwards, and the 'fire' must then surely constantly descend in its specific channel, or are they considered 'merged' while remaining distinct from each other?  Or, is the merging just at the top and the bottom where they merge into each other briefly to change from water to fire and fire to water? 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2018 by Bindi

[Wu Ming Jen]

Fire and water arise in the center of the cauldron,

 Yin Yang are continually reborn,

 

 

 

 

Nei Jing Tu

In the lower part, a boy and a girl who represent Yin and Yang are working on a treadmill placed in the Caudal Funnel (weilü), at the bottom of the spine. Inverting the stream of energy (actually the jing or Essence, depicted by the water course along the spine), they avoid that it flows downwards and is wasted. (With the Spinal Handle and the Jade Pillow mentioned below, the Caudal Funnel is one of the Three Barriers or sanguan.) Water thus turns into a fiery furnace, which heats the lower Cinnabar Field placed near the four Yin-Yang symbols; these stand for the four external agents (Wood, Fire, Metal, Water), with the fifth one (the central Soil) represented by their conjunction. On the left of the Cinnabar Field is the "iron buffalo ploughing the earth and planting the golden coin," an image of the first seed of the Golden Elixir.

 

At the center is the middle Cinnabar Field, shaped as a spiral and located in the region of the heart. Just above it is the Herd Boy, who holds the constellation of the Northern Dipper, a symbol of the center of the cosmos. According to a famous Chinese story, the Herd Boy (corresponding to the constellation Altair) only once a year can meet and conjoin with the Weaving Girl (corresponding to Vega), who is pictured below him. At the level of the Weaving Girl, along the spine, is the Spinal Handle.

 

The upper part of the picture represents the upper Cinnabar Field. Above and behind the Twelve-storied Pavilion (the trachea), is the Jade Pillow. Behind the mountains, on the left, the Control vessel (dumai, which runs on the back of the body) emerges; the old man sitting next to it is Laozi. Below the Control vessel, the Function vessel (renmai, which runs on the front of the body) begins; the monk standing with raised arms next to it is Bodhidharma (who, according to tradition, brought Chan Buddhism to China). The two dots stand for the eyes, and represent the Sun and Moon.